I’m tempted to agree but on the other hand, I’d rather see the budget go towards a better game than designing for coop. The first one wouldn’t be atmospheric at all if you had a laggy friend floating around you all the time.
Plenty of other survival games that have coop and are better suited for it.
here’s to hoping they don’t scrap a perfect story half way through again like they did in sub 2, I loved the original pre-release story, then they scrapped it for the boring one it is now
What was the pre-release story for BZ? I played it this year and thought the story was fine, though it didn’t manage to recapture the feelings of mystery and discovery of the first game
I want a truly massive nuclear submarine and be able to explore some of the actual deep parts of the ocean. Like they hype up the huge drop off in the first game. Maybe a bit of protection against the giant ghost laviathans.
That feels awfully soon. I hope they can actually create enough new content for this, as Below Zero felt far too similar to the first. It felt more like a new game plus rather than a full-price sequal.
I remember reading somewhere that Below zero was originally intended to be an expansion, but got changed into a standalone release. The subnautica 2 they are working on now is entirely new.
Yeah I felt like below zero could have gone without the above land content. It just wasn’t nearly as good as the rest of what they had made. I really missed having the submarine thing too
The first time you make the Cyclops and go “woah, that’s big”. When you are welcomed on board. When you walk about and go “oh, engine room. And 6 power cells”, when you flick all the lights on and off, when you have to start the engine, when it steers like a bus and you bonk everything I’m sight. When you first honk the horn. When you learn to drive using the cameras. When you learn you can build in it. When a creature attacks and you drop a bouy.
So many great firsts with the Cyclops.
The seatruck was fine. But it didn’t seem to have the personality of the cyclops
Try playing a platformer where left moves your character to the right, and right moves left. AND down moves them up and up moves them down. You’d see how that’s unplayable, right?
Of course, how does it possibly make sense to only invert 1 axis? That seems to be the crazy option. Subnautica actually does support only inverting 1 axis (is it Y? Not sure), but not both.
In super mario 64, you click C left to look right because you’re controlling the camera. Just like every other game ever, you’re controlling a camera. Whether you’re looking at the back of the head of your character or not. When you’re using motion controlled aiming, and you have to look up and to the left, what do you do? You pull back on the controller, and rotate the device to the right. It’s crazy to me that you would use different motion when you’re controlling with a joystick versus controller physically
Sounds like it’s just what you grew up on, which as I explained I understand. It felt more natural to me to just use inverted Y axis because of flight sims, but Eventually I just changed because the times changed and standards changed. I didn’t want to be the guy that had to go in and change his settings whenever someone passed me a controller so I just adapted.
I don’t know how anyone doesn’t. You’re controlling a camera. It’s how cameras/views have been controlled since graphics were invented. Just like when controlling a camera, to look up and left you would pull down and right.
Not sure if the only cameras you’re thinking of are tv/movie cameras or not, but cameras have been controlled non-invertedly for as long as I can remember.
What? Literally all cameras are controlled invertedly. It’s literally how human biomechanics work too. To look up, you tighten the muscles in the back of your neck, pulling your head back
I definitely understand for flight sims and other aviation games like Ace Combat, but it still seems more intuitive to tilt the stick in the direction you want to look, rather than the opposite direction.
I did the inverted vertical mouse for ages for the same reason, and then one day it just stopped working for me. I think I’d tried other systems and come back to my PC and it suddenly felt wrong. Then I went to normal mouse controls and discovered aiming was more natural and smoother, and I’d probably been sabotaging my aiming by forcing an extra layer of abstraction into it.
It’s weird, I thought of it like leaning back & forward to make it intuitive, and our brains can learn to make just about any adjustment with enough practice.
But IRL if you’re physically pointing at one spot and want to move your point of aim up and to to the right for instance, you move your hand up and to the right, just like the uninverted mouse movement. So you’re spending time IRL learning one movement and time in games learning the opposite movement. I think that’s why inverted was so much worse even though I did it that way from the start.
It’s weird, I thought of it like leaning back & forward to make it intuitive
That’s exactly what it’s live and it’s exactly why it’s intuitive and why when games came out, it was the standard.
But IRL if you’re physically pointing at one spot and want to move your point of aim up and to to the right for instance, you move your hand up and to the right,
But you’re not pointing in the games. You’re moving the view/camera. So to LOOK up and right (as opposed to point), you lean back and roll to the left
I personally loved the building in the game. At least in 2 it was a lot better. Luckily they ported most of the improvements from 2 into the first game.
I’m in the middle of a Subnautica replay and it’s very much “fuck man where is the thing” combined with “I swear that thing was right here last time I played.”
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This one best be co-op
Why do people want everything to be co-op
I think survival games are better with friends
Because it’s fun to play games with friends?
Normies and their friends.
I wait for the co-op return, only Nintendo keeps this going in a wider scheme.
Split screen maybe, but there are absolute loads of indie games released each year with co-op.
I’m tempted to agree but on the other hand, I’d rather see the budget go towards a better game than designing for coop. The first one wouldn’t be atmospheric at all if you had a laggy friend floating around you all the time.
Plenty of other survival games that have coop and are better suited for it.
Best I can do is a battle royale.
here’s to hoping they don’t scrap a perfect story half way through again like they did in sub 2, I loved the original pre-release story, then they scrapped it for the boring one it is now
What was the pre-release story for BZ? I played it this year and thought the story was fine, though it didn’t manage to recapture the feelings of mystery and discovery of the first game
I want a truly massive nuclear submarine and be able to explore some of the actual deep parts of the ocean. Like they hype up the huge drop off in the first game. Maybe a bit of protection against the giant ghost laviathans.
That feels awfully soon. I hope they can actually create enough new content for this, as Below Zero felt far too similar to the first. It felt more like a new game plus rather than a full-price sequal.
I remember reading somewhere that Below zero was originally intended to be an expansion, but got changed into a standalone release. The subnautica 2 they are working on now is entirely new.
Yeah I felt like below zero could have gone without the above land content. It just wasn’t nearly as good as the rest of what they had made. I really missed having the submarine thing too
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The first time you make the Cyclops and go “woah, that’s big”. When you are welcomed on board. When you walk about and go “oh, engine room. And 6 power cells”, when you flick all the lights on and off, when you have to start the engine, when it steers like a bus and you bonk everything I’m sight. When you first honk the horn. When you learn to drive using the cameras. When you learn you can build in it. When a creature attacks and you drop a bouy.
So many great firsts with the Cyclops.
The seatruck was fine. But it didn’t seem to have the personality of the cyclops
Welcome aboard captain
Please be good. I loved the first one (despite the bugs).
Is the next one going to support inverting the X and Y axis on the controller? Or is it going to be entirely unplayable as well?
Kind of a standard option, no doubt. Not sure how that one thing makes it unplayable though.
Try playing a platformer where left moves your character to the right, and right moves left. AND down moves them up and up moves them down. You’d see how that’s unplayable, right?
Wait do you actually want your X axis inverted too?
I think you’re just weird, dude. Adjust.
Of course, how does it possibly make sense to only invert 1 axis? That seems to be the crazy option. Subnautica actually does support only inverting 1 axis (is it Y? Not sure), but not both.
In super mario 64, you click C left to look right because you’re controlling the camera. Just like every other game ever, you’re controlling a camera. Whether you’re looking at the back of the head of your character or not. When you’re using motion controlled aiming, and you have to look up and to the left, what do you do? You pull back on the controller, and rotate the device to the right. It’s crazy to me that you would use different motion when you’re controlling with a joystick versus controller physically
Sounds like it’s just what you grew up on, which as I explained I understand. It felt more natural to me to just use inverted Y axis because of flight sims, but Eventually I just changed because the times changed and standards changed. I didn’t want to be the guy that had to go in and change his settings whenever someone passed me a controller so I just adapted.
Baldur’s Gate 3, its camera x-axis is inverted by default (Q looks right, E looks left).
Took me a while, but I adjusted.
I personally don’t know anyone, let alone know how anyone plays first-person games with inverted camera controls.
I don’t know how anyone doesn’t. You’re controlling a camera. It’s how cameras/views have been controlled since graphics were invented. Just like when controlling a camera, to look up and left you would pull down and right.
Not sure if the only cameras you’re thinking of are tv/movie cameras or not, but cameras have been controlled non-invertedly for as long as I can remember.
What? Literally all cameras are controlled invertedly. It’s literally how human biomechanics work too. To look up, you tighten the muscles in the back of your neck, pulling your head back
I grew up on joysticks and flight simulators so when I got my hands on an Xbox controller to play Halo it felt more natural to me.
Years later and id switched to normal, and now just use M+K on PC but I understand why someone would want it as an option.
I definitely understand for flight sims and other aviation games like Ace Combat, but it still seems more intuitive to tilt the stick in the direction you want to look, rather than the opposite direction.
This is the way. Any time I’m a pilot, it’s invented. Shooter, normal.
I did the inverted vertical mouse for ages for the same reason, and then one day it just stopped working for me. I think I’d tried other systems and come back to my PC and it suddenly felt wrong. Then I went to normal mouse controls and discovered aiming was more natural and smoother, and I’d probably been sabotaging my aiming by forcing an extra layer of abstraction into it.
That honestly sounds terrible. Part of me is tempted to try playing a game like that just to see how it is.
It’s weird, I thought of it like leaning back & forward to make it intuitive, and our brains can learn to make just about any adjustment with enough practice.
But IRL if you’re physically pointing at one spot and want to move your point of aim up and to to the right for instance, you move your hand up and to the right, just like the uninverted mouse movement. So you’re spending time IRL learning one movement and time in games learning the opposite movement. I think that’s why inverted was so much worse even though I did it that way from the start.
That’s exactly what it’s live and it’s exactly why it’s intuitive and why when games came out, it was the standard.
But you’re not pointing in the games. You’re moving the view/camera. So to LOOK up and right (as opposed to point), you lean back and roll to the left
Didn’t they say they were don’t making Subnautica like games? I hope not though, I loved 1 and 2.
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I personally loved the building in the game. At least in 2 it was a lot better. Luckily they ported most of the improvements from 2 into the first game.
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I’m in the middle of a Subnautica replay and it’s very much “fuck man where is the thing” combined with “I swear that thing was right here last time I played.”
I swear to god, half of my most recent playthrough was spent trying to find the last blueprint for the grappling arm
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