Microsoft might just be planning to make the next generation of Windows a cloud-based, subscription service. While we have already had evidence of the former, fresh new leak hints at the latter too.
I think it’s probably an Indian English-ism. It’s understandable but sounds weird to speakers of American English (and maybe other English dialects).
A more natural sounding title (to an American English speaker) would use “Microsoft is making” or “Microsoft is planning to make” rather than “Microsoft might want to be making”.
Win 10 was decent, perhaps better than Win 7 in many ways. It doesn’t hold a candle to Linux though. I’ve been almost entirely on Linux since Vista, and the last time I booted into Windows was last year to get Minecraft Bedrock set up for my kid so he could play with his friend (that friend flaked, so we haven’t bothered since).
My kids have pretty much only used OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (my Linux flavor of choice) and ChromeOS (at school).
Now that after two long years Windows 11 exited the alpha stage and now has an usable taskbar in beta, it starts to be decent. Since they finally allowed “never combine” in the taskbar last week I’m using it as my main os and I plan to upgrade all my win 10 machines (unless on older machines because I’m not going to bother with the artificial limitations and install checks, those will just go to Linux)
I think we already know. It’s not the technology but the business that spoiled everything since Windows 7. Technically, Windows is probably better than ever today. But for user experience it has never been worse.
This is what happens when one part of their business (Game Pass) does well and they want to translate that success to other operations. What they don’t realize is that Windows is less a product and more a service, and you can’t make money on services. Not for long, anyway.
Right, but I meant a service in the traditional sense, like trains or food stamps or whatever. Windows is so ubiquitous with operating a PC at this point, and they’ve literally given it away for free for so long at this point that if they start charging a subscription for it nobody’s gonna go along with it. Microsoft’ll be in the same position they are now, but they’ll lose a lot of money implementing this BS.
Gotta be like 90% of people have never installed an OS because Windows was already on their PC when they bought it.
To them, its part of buying a PC. They don’t consider the OS a separate purchase.
If they make this move they’re banking on people not noticing until after they’ve bought a shiny new PC. After that most people will suffer the cost because they already own the PC and its just “easier.”
Seriously. I’ve been using Windows for years and every time I’ve tried to move it’s games that stopped me. Proton is literally a game changer. I’m not a hardcore Guild Wars 2 player but I play daily. The game ruins flawlessly with Proton.
First of all they’re going to have to release a distro which actually has, shock horror, proprietary drivers installed on it, because your average user isn’t going to understand how to install them.
I’ve said this a few times but no one wants to hear it, I understand why they can’t have proprietary drivers, but the fact that they don’t have them is a major reason as to why Linux isn’t more mainstream.
Good thing Linux ships with AMD drivers by default, no install necessary. Nvidia will have to get off their asses and make their drives less of a pile of dog shit though.
I’m not casting judgement on whether the drivers are good or not I’m merely pointing out that they’re not preinstalled and a lot of people don’t even know what a driver is.
If Linux isn’t out of the box simple easy like Windows people are never going to switch to it no matter how terrible Microsoft become. They will go to Apple before they go to Linux.
First of all they’re going to have to release a distro which actually has, shock horror, proprietary drivers installed on it, because your average user isn’t going to understand how to install them.
I could see that. It felt like a weird thing to say. Oh well. My next OS is going to be Linux if I ever get around to buying a new computer. I’ve been “doing it soon” for a few years lol.
Very true, but some context, I have a 3080 or 3070 GPU but a CPU from 2009 and a 5400 RPM hard drive with steam games. I’d get like 20 FPS in Elder Ring on lowest settings. My CPU has become a major bottle neck. Over the years I’ve upgraded everything else but that because that essentially means an entirely new PC
I reread that quote (in context) many times, and I’ve concluded that it was a poor choice of words. He meant “latest”. He was talking about Windows 10, the latest Windows OS, in a time where XP, 8, 8.1, Vista, and 7 were still maintained to some degree. I wish so much that Win10 would have been the last Windows OS…
This is just another move in that direction. Maybe the next version will be a thin client where you stream most of your apps. The pricing wouldn’t change, only where apps are run.
Yeah that seems like the more likely move, have a free tier that starts off decent and a premium tier with ‘power features’ or whatever, and then slowly drift almost everything over to the ‘premium’ tier until in a few years you won’t be able to change your desktop wallpaper without paying. That definitely sounds like the MS way to me.
they’ve already done various low-cost or no-cost (to the oem) windows editions that you can’t change wallpaper, or default search engine, stripped out utility programs included in ‘regular’ editions, and even one that limited multitasking, disabled some network functions, and had hard limits on ram and total disk space.
Seems a dumb way to destroy the desktop PC market.
People will feel scammed that after one year everything needs a subscription, will dump that shit on eBay, prices will crash, and the market will be dominated by iPads with mouse and keyboards
I love when one of the richest companies on Earth (2nd by market cap, only behind Apple) just doesn’t make enough money that they need to consider this bullshit. Fuck this infinite profit growth. This is so fucking stupid. Everything is a god damn subscription. Gotta wring out every penny from our customers as the good Lord intended.
yes it does seem that way, but have you considered that maybe we should just all give all of our money to Microsoft and then just die of poverty? It would make their reports look so much nicer.
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And they’ll still steal all your data and spy on everything you do!
Remember the rumors over 10 years ago that Windows 8 was going to be a subscription OS?
They definitely want to, this news “leak” is meant to determine if they will.
90% of all techbro “innovation” is one or more of the following:
“Put it on the cloud!”
“Make it a subscription service!”
“Put it on the blockchain!”
“Add more surveillance!”
You forgot “Use AI”
It’s so blatantly in front of me that I was like a fish not noticing water
“Might want to be making…”
Weird ass attempt at future perfect tense?
Is it wrong? Definitely awkward, but I’ve seen this construction before. Not a native speaker…
It’s English, so it’s difficult to be wrong, but that phrase do be weird.
I think it’s probably an Indian English-ism. It’s understandable but sounds weird to speakers of American English (and maybe other English dialects).
A more natural sounding title (to an American English speaker) would use “Microsoft is making” or “Microsoft is planning to make” rather than “Microsoft might want to be making”.
Might want to make?
ChatGPT, make my sentence coherent.
Will win 7 be the last ever usable OS from Microsoft, or will Windows 13 turn out decent? Only time will tell.
Win 10 was decent, perhaps better than Win 7 in many ways. It doesn’t hold a candle to Linux though. I’ve been almost entirely on Linux since Vista, and the last time I booted into Windows was last year to get Minecraft Bedrock set up for my kid so he could play with his friend (that friend flaked, so we haven’t bothered since).
My kids have pretty much only used OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (my Linux flavor of choice) and ChromeOS (at school).
Now that after two long years Windows 11 exited the alpha stage and now has an usable taskbar in beta, it starts to be decent. Since they finally allowed “never combine” in the taskbar last week I’m using it as my main os and I plan to upgrade all my win 10 machines (unless on older machines because I’m not going to bother with the artificial limitations and install checks, those will just go to Linux)
I think we already know. It’s not the technology but the business that spoiled everything since Windows 7. Technically, Windows is probably better than ever today. But for user experience it has never been worse.
This is what happens when one part of their business (Game Pass) does well and they want to translate that success to other operations. What they don’t realize is that Windows is less a product and more a service, and you can’t make money on services. Not for long, anyway.
The whole point of this is Microsoft potentially treating windows as a service
Right, but I meant a service in the traditional sense, like trains or food stamps or whatever. Windows is so ubiquitous with operating a PC at this point, and they’ve literally given it away for free for so long at this point that if they start charging a subscription for it nobody’s gonna go along with it. Microsoft’ll be in the same position they are now, but they’ll lose a lot of money implementing this BS.
Who isnt going to go along with it?
Gotta be like 90% of people have never installed an OS because Windows was already on their PC when they bought it.
To them, its part of buying a PC. They don’t consider the OS a separate purchase.
If they make this move they’re banking on people not noticing until after they’ve bought a shiny new PC. After that most people will suffer the cost because they already own the PC and its just “easier.”
now that gaming is getting better on Linux thanks to proton, I am unbothered
Seriously. I’ve been using Windows for years and every time I’ve tried to move it’s games that stopped me. Proton is literally a game changer. I’m not a hardcore Guild Wars 2 player but I play daily. The game ruins flawlessly with Proton.
Valve 👏
Exactly what I was thinking.
VR Support is sorely lacking, though. And no, the Quest standalone is not a solution - it’s an android phone strapped to your face.
The Valve Index works natively on Linux.
Virtual Desktop / Oculus does not
First of all they’re going to have to release a distro which actually has, shock horror, proprietary drivers installed on it, because your average user isn’t going to understand how to install them.
I’ve said this a few times but no one wants to hear it, I understand why they can’t have proprietary drivers, but the fact that they don’t have them is a major reason as to why Linux isn’t more mainstream.
It’s called Linux MInt.
Good thing Linux ships with AMD drivers by default, no install necessary. Nvidia will have to get off their asses and make their drives less of a pile of dog shit though.
So some drivers are not installed like I said
I’m not casting judgement on whether the drivers are good or not I’m merely pointing out that they’re not preinstalled and a lot of people don’t even know what a driver is.
If Linux isn’t out of the box simple easy like Windows people are never going to switch to it no matter how terrible Microsoft become. They will go to Apple before they go to Linux.
Hang on…
Some distros (mint, Ubuntu) prompt the user to install proprietary drivers during the installation process, it’s very easy.
On Windows you have to download the latest drivers from the manufacturers website and install them manually, that’s crazy!
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No, you said:
You’re moving the goalposts.
Who can’t have them? 90-some percent of Linux distributions make them available to those who are unfortunate enough to need them.
Debian comes with proprietary drivers now
I think it comes with proprietary firmware, not drivers.
Apologies, mixed up the terms in my head
Yeah, please do that. It will be great!
I look forward to welcoming all the new Linux users 🙂
Will you? Do you? To have and to hold? In sickness and in health?
I look forward to all the complaints on how linux isn’t like windows. :)
Y’all remember when Windows 10 was supposedly their last OS?
the last one you “buy”, anyway.
I remember reading about that and it is some subscription fee to get replacements. I always wonder if someone is still paying lol
From what I remember that quote was taken out of context.
I could see that. It felt like a weird thing to say. Oh well. My next OS is going to be Linux if I ever get around to buying a new computer. I’ve been “doing it soon” for a few years lol.
You don’t necessarily need a new computer, you could get a new SSD, install Linux there and dual boot for a while.
Very true, but some context, I have a 3080 or 3070 GPU but a CPU from 2009 and a 5400 RPM hard drive with steam games. I’d get like 20 FPS in Elder Ring on lowest settings. My CPU has become a major bottle neck. Over the years I’ve upgraded everything else but that because that essentially means an entirely new PC
Poor GPU, the rest of the team can’t keep up
“Don’t worry, I’ll have those textures loaded to VRAM in no time! … any minute!”
🤑
That was so hilariously either ignorant or deceitful when they said that.
I reread that quote (in context) many times, and I’ve concluded that it was a poor choice of words. He meant “latest”. He was talking about Windows 10, the latest Windows OS, in a time where XP, 8, 8.1, Vista, and 7 were still maintained to some degree. I wish so much that Win10 would have been the last Windows OS…
Seems like an odd direction when a lot services are moving online and to SaaS based solutions, removing the dependency of a specific underlying OS.
This is just another move in that direction. Maybe the next version will be a thin client where you stream most of your apps. The pricing wouldn’t change, only where apps are run.
pricing would change, you think they’d let you run ‘apps’ for free?
I’m guessing there would be one base charge for the OS, and additional charges for whatever apps you opt into.
rip windows; thank you valve and proton
They’re too smart to do this …
More likely they will make the base OS free and charge for the premium SaaS features … like they already do with one drive, O365 and game pass
They may still for enterprise customers.
Yeah that seems like the more likely move, have a free tier that starts off decent and a premium tier with ‘power features’ or whatever, and then slowly drift almost everything over to the ‘premium’ tier until in a few years you won’t be able to change your desktop wallpaper without paying. That definitely sounds like the MS way to me.
they’ve already done various low-cost or no-cost (to the oem) windows editions that you can’t change wallpaper, or default search engine, stripped out utility programs included in ‘regular’ editions, and even one that limited multitasking, disabled some network functions, and had hard limits on ram and total disk space.
Is that what Win 10 X was? I thought it was supposed to be a light build
windows 8 ‘with bing’, and ‘starter’ editions of earlier versions, are the ones that came to mind.
YUP! And then something like a 1 year free demo when you buy a computer from an OEM … to make sure all the normies get used to it.
Right of the M$ playbook.
I for once can’t wait, it’s going to be a fun dumpster fire to watch
Seems a dumb way to destroy the desktop PC market.
People will feel scammed that after one year everything needs a subscription, will dump that shit on eBay, prices will crash, and the market will be dominated by iPads with mouse and keyboards
I love when one of the richest companies on Earth (2nd by market cap, only behind Apple) just doesn’t make enough money that they need to consider this bullshit. Fuck this infinite profit growth. This is so fucking stupid. Everything is a god damn subscription. Gotta wring out every penny from our customers as the good Lord intended.
it’s getting pretty insane isn’t it? more and more obvious to the average person how consumer-unfriendly capitalism is
yes it does seem that way, but have you considered that maybe we should just all give all of our money to Microsoft and then just die of poverty? It would make their reports look so much nicer.