For the benefit of people that can’t watch this horrible video:
This is really about them being able to change the already extremely vague terms of service and you having no recourse other than voiding your purchase if you don’t like it. There is some focus on a gun thing early on, but it’s just an example where they flip-flopped multiple times over the years based on vague wording in the ToS that was changed after the fact. Commercial modded server owners were the main ones that had to make changes because of that rule, often taking guns away from players that had them, but it’s generally enforced very inconsistently.
But the main thing they’re focusing on in the lawsuit is the mass deletion of legitimately bought Minecraft copies when they stopped Mojang account migration in 2023 (everyone that didn’t migrate then no longer owns Minecraft according to Microsoft; no refunds). That, too, was effectively a one-sided ToS change. And to make matters worse, the old ToS had an explicit clause that you could keep playing the game in singleplayer even without agreeing to any new ToS.
This lawsuit is being done in Sweden. I don’t know if this kind of ToS/contract validity has actually been tested there before.
I think this is the first time I ever watched a video at 0.5 speed. “this was done due to retention purposes for the video to maximize spread potential”. Yeeeaaaah. No. Checked reddit, it’s downvoted to the negatives over form. Checked a different place that would be all over this, entire topic is discussing the form and there’s not one mention of what it’s about because nobody got that far. The exact kind of person that might take time out of their day to join a class action is not going to watch this garbage. I think it’s good to have this tested, but I straight up don’t trust this guy. Supposedly maximizing views while getting zero information through to anyone is not going to help the cause.
i hope he wins the lawsuit (the forced migration with no refunds was very bad), but dammit that guy sounds insufferable.
in the first video, one of his main motivators for starting the lawsuit, was that he made a server with guns, mojang made servers with guns against their eula, but just after this guy paid the 1000$ for the twitter gold checkmark on his server’s account…
mojang making shitty eula decisions sucks, but is it grounds to sue? idk
Going to copy my post over from the original for anyone wondering why because the description does nothing to explain:
I watched a few minutes of it and finally got to it… If I got it right, the guy suing them wanted to make a mod with guns. Mojang said no and got it shut down. He’s suing because he believes a company shouldn’t have any say over how users might modify their games.
Probably why he wanted to sue in the first place but the actual lawsuit is over deleting minecraft accounts that didn’t migrate to Microsoft accounts. That restriction was not present in the original TOS, and seems to be illegal to change without the user accepting a new TOS (that isn’t forced under threat of deleting what you own).
there’s 11 pages of results if you search “gun” through Modrinth, you’re absolutely correct
the marketplace is “curated” mods, if the guy wants to make paid mods that go against the “curation” he’s gotta make a patreon or something, and handle his own marketing for it
Which was what was done with the weather mod. Mojang didn’t like it because what people really want for weather mod is hurricanes, mojang don’t like anything too destructive like that which you can kind of understand, you can’t really do a normal playthrough with it on.
It makes it a totally different game.
But I don’t think anyone really cared and I don’t think it’s had a particularly adverse effect on the mod developer, they’ve got plenty of backers I doubt there’s any interest in suing mojang over it.
Lmao, the way the video is cut made it impossible to watch, it’s so bad. Why cut every pause between Words, that is probably a lot of work to make the video shitier.
Almost all YouTubers do it, especially video essayists and vloggers. I think they’re cutting out anytime they pause or say “um” to keep the video going so there’s not a lot of bullshit.
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For the benefit of people that can’t watch this horrible video:
This is really about them being able to change the already extremely vague terms of service and you having no recourse other than voiding your purchase if you don’t like it. There is some focus on a gun thing early on, but it’s just an example where they flip-flopped multiple times over the years based on vague wording in the ToS that was changed after the fact. Commercial modded server owners were the main ones that had to make changes because of that rule, often taking guns away from players that had them, but it’s generally enforced very inconsistently.
But the main thing they’re focusing on in the lawsuit is the mass deletion of legitimately bought Minecraft copies when they stopped Mojang account migration in 2023 (everyone that didn’t migrate then no longer owns Minecraft according to Microsoft; no refunds). That, too, was effectively a one-sided ToS change. And to make matters worse, the old ToS had an explicit clause that you could keep playing the game in singleplayer even without agreeing to any new ToS.
This lawsuit is being done in Sweden. I don’t know if this kind of ToS/contract validity has actually been tested there before.
I think this is the first time I ever watched a video at 0.5 speed. “this was done due to retention purposes for the video to maximize spread potential”. Yeeeaaaah. No. Checked reddit, it’s downvoted to the negatives over form. Checked a different place that would be all over this, entire topic is discussing the form and there’s not one mention of what it’s about because nobody got that far. The exact kind of person that might take time out of their day to join a class action is not going to watch this garbage. I think it’s good to have this tested, but I straight up don’t trust this guy. Supposedly maximizing views while getting zero information through to anyone is not going to help the cause.
Happened to me, happened again with KSP, I will own nothing and be kinda pissed off about it apparently.
They deleted my alpha account D:
I actually sped up the video to 1.5X because there was no text article as an alternative…
Is it really that bad? The point was pretty articulate to me.
i hope he wins the lawsuit (the forced migration with no refunds was very bad), but dammit that guy sounds insufferable.
in the first video, one of his main motivators for starting the lawsuit, was that he made a server with guns, mojang made servers with guns against their eula, but just after this guy paid the 1000$ for the twitter gold checkmark on his server’s account…
mojang making shitty eula decisions sucks, but is it grounds to sue? idk
This is awful and stupid. Godspeed, plaintiffs.
Going to copy my post over from the original for anyone wondering why because the description does nothing to explain:
He could install Luanti and mod to his heart’s content.
Like, legality aside, he’s fighting to add value to a game whose publisher has tried to prevent him.
Yeah, you can install multiple gun mods right from the menu.
I’d say he’s fighting to keep what was legally promised to him in the contract provided to customers.
Probably why he wanted to sue in the first place but the actual lawsuit is over deleting minecraft accounts that didn’t migrate to Microsoft accounts. That restriction was not present in the original TOS, and seems to be illegal to change without the user accepting a new TOS (that isn’t forced under threat of deleting what you own).
Isnt it like, over a decade too late for mojang to complain about a gun mod in minecraft? That ship has long since sailed
Nobody can stop you from making a Java Edition mod. The only thing you can’t do is sell it.
Since they need permission, I can only assume they want to sell their mod on the bedrock marketplace. I thought Microsoft controlled that.
there’s 11 pages of results if you search “gun” through Modrinth, you’re absolutely correct
the marketplace is “curated” mods, if the guy wants to make paid mods that go against the “curation” he’s gotta make a patreon or something, and handle his own marketing for it
Seems a stupid thing to sue about. Microsoft has rules about the content you want to sell through them, the content they’re essentially endorsing.
That sounds reasonable.
If you want to make something outside their content limits and you expect them to endorse it… Why? That’s not how anything works.
Which was what was done with the weather mod. Mojang didn’t like it because what people really want for weather mod is hurricanes, mojang don’t like anything too destructive like that which you can kind of understand, you can’t really do a normal playthrough with it on.
It makes it a totally different game.
But I don’t think anyone really cared and I don’t think it’s had a particularly adverse effect on the mod developer, they’ve got plenty of backers I doubt there’s any interest in suing mojang over it.
Why can’t children simply have something they enjoy without some fuckards trying to ruin it?
Like minecraft doesn’t need guns. Or blood. Or pedos. They got Roblox for that.
We’re talking about a modder making something as a hobby/passion project, not some suit trying to push that to everyone.
Lmao, the way the video is cut made it impossible to watch, it’s so bad. Why cut every pause between Words, that is probably a lot of work to make the video shitier.
Almost all YouTubers do it, especially video essayists and vloggers. I think they’re cutting out anytime they pause or say “um” to keep the video going so there’s not a lot of bullshit.
But who actually knows, I’m just guessing.
I only appreciate this because I hate watching videos of, and prefer reading text on subjects like this. Videos are so much slower.
Mr Beast has done unrepairable damage
Huh. I think he’s got some good arguments. I wish him luck!