The EULA that accompanies delisted Ubisoft games requires players to destroy their purchases. Stop Killing Games is fighting to keep titles working after companies abandon them. A major representative for EU publishers opposes solutions like support for third-party servers.
JFC, you know, I can see some problems arising from games/companies changing hands and shit going dark here and there on a game for a bit… but bullshit like this… this is the reason we can’t have nice things.
You know, I was mildly ambivalent about Ubisoft recently (just burned out by their games and not wanting to buy them until I’ve slept for ages) but… Really? This is the hill they want to die on? Well that does say a lot about them, now doesn’t it?
This is why I’ve been boycotting Ubisoft for literal decades now. I refuse to even pirate their shit. Fuck them. They used to be cool company in the 90s, had bunch of cool franchises and then turned into this soulless greedy corporate bullshit just being absolute dicks to gamers and releasing all games with identical concept to Assassin’s Creed and Far Cry, for 20 games in a row…
It isn’t like Nintendo where the games make up for much, Ubisoft fucking blows. Their games are either shallow as shit, or cookie-cutter grindfests based on the same old tired design. I’m glad they don’t own anything that anybody would miss. There isn’t a franchise they own that they haven’t already ruined. Rayman, maybe?
Ubisoft is the Shredder of game companies. Evil, but ultimately their plans would fall apart even without the Turtles intervening because they are just awful.
Shredder never even has defined plans. Now granted, I was a kid in the 80s. If the new series is different, I don’t know. I didn’t even see the micheal bay movies. I saw the original cartoon, the first 3 movies, and the “coming out of our shell” tour.
Shredder always just kind of showed up, and maybe robbed a jewelry store. Or kidnapped April and that skinny news reporter guy.
There never seemed to be a plan. It was always just vague “do crime and evil shit…”
Then they introduced the mafia, who for some reason just liked tickling everybodies feet.
I only know the OG cartoon and movies, myself. Shredder wasn’t even the true villain in the OG cartoon after a certain point; he became Krang’s bumbling henchman in like the second or 3rd season. Krang, being the literal brains of the operstion had plans and Shredder, well… Shredded them.
So I ended up reading up on the original comics because I knew they were a bit darker than the cartoons. It seems shredder is only in volume 1 of 4. In it he’s basically a New York Yakuza boss that kills splinters master. So splinter trains the turtles to kill shredder. After that he does get resurrected once, but after that he stays dead.
Volume 2 cover a full on battle with DARPA (for experimenting on aliens and turtles), Volume 3 has a possible daughter of shredder trying to get revenge, but volume 4 retcons volume 3 and focuses on a future where aliens come to earth and the turtles can roam the streets as “aliens” (which isn’t that weird for the series as aliens first appear in volume 1).
IANAL but wasn’t that text just some “standard” legalese relating to the way they license software and it was basically unenforceable anyway? I know it’s cool to pick on ubisoft for being a shit company, but BG3 had a similar requirement in the game’s EULA:
It seems like the relevant section in the Ubisoft EULA says
“Upon termination for any reason, You must immediately uninstall the Product and destroy all copies of the Product in Your possession.”
I read this wording of this to be stricter than the BG3 example you shared, because the BG3 one seems to be saying “if you don’t agree to this EULA (or if you agree, but later terminate that agreement), then you must uninstall the game”. Whereas the Ubisoft one seems to include Ubisoft terminating the agreement, rather than just the user. That’s just my interpretation of these snippets though, as someone who is not a lawyer. It’s possible that the BG3 EULA also includes other parts that would mean similar to what people are unhappy about on the Ubisoft EULA
yes but there’s still a EULA you agree to about redistribution and how you’re allowed to use the software etc…even FOSS software has licenses. if there’s terms in there about being able to back out of the agreement, i’d imagine there would be a clause about destroying copies of the software
Because a good lawyer looks for any sort of far reaching authority they can legally get away with, and will continues to push boundaries as legally far as they can until they get challenged. All in the name of protecting their clients from liability.
I don’t like it, but I get it. And these things can fall apart when challenged in court or public opinion.
Makes me think of the guy who died from an allergy at Disney land and Disney tried to say he couldn’t sue because of his Disney plus agreement.
Lawyers put in all kinds of legal clauses specifically to try and avoid any and all liability on anything imaginable or unimaginable. Most times it’s beyond what anyone would call reasonable. But we aren’t dealing with reasonable people.
Say I broke a game disk that they told me I had to destroy and I cut myself on it, deep enough to need medical attention. I wonder if I could sue them for the costs, since they specifically told me I had to break my game.
They both are. Both agreements can be terminated for any reason. Larion’s says nothing that would prevent them from terminating the agreement, it only clarifies that the signer can. There’s no real difference here.
I read it the same way you did. If you want to terminate the EULA, then they request you remove your copies of the game. In that snippet it says nothing about them arbitrary demand you delete all your copies.
Exactly this. And it’s kind of logical actually, when you go crazy like writing Larian “fuck this shit I hate the game, you can shove it up your ass” it’s no surprise you’re fed up with the game and don’t want to have it anymore. It’s like when you literally destroyed diskette/CD/DVD back then in a rage (or fighting addiction).
I can’t find it on GOG’s but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s in most EULAs. I’ve seen emails saying “confidential, if you are not the intended recipient of this email you must delete it.” There’s no way to enforce that. Ubisoft isn’t coming to your house to review the contents of your drives. I’m guessing it’s to stop some loophole like “you said I can’t resell your game so instead I sold my hard drive (that has the game installed on it)”.
I’m going to keep boycotting ubisoft until they release Beyond Good and Evil 2. Then I’ll boycott them because there’s no way they don’t turn it into an open world-climb towers to unlock the map-crafting-nonsense
Here I though offline mode for The Crew 2 was a small step in the right direction or an olive branch. This is what I get for being optimistic I guess lol
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JFC, you know, I can see some problems arising from games/companies changing hands and shit going dark here and there on a game for a bit… but bullshit like this… this is the reason we can’t have nice things.
I am hyped for Anno 108. Thanks for making the wait easier guys by reminding me why i should not give you my money
You know, I was mildly ambivalent about Ubisoft recently (just burned out by their games and not wanting to buy them until I’ve slept for ages) but… Really? This is the hill they want to die on? Well that does say a lot about them, now doesn’t it?
This is why I’ve been boycotting Ubisoft for literal decades now. I refuse to even pirate their shit. Fuck them. They used to be cool company in the 90s, had bunch of cool franchises and then turned into this soulless greedy corporate bullshit just being absolute dicks to gamers and releasing all games with identical concept to Assassin’s Creed and Far Cry, for 20 games in a row…
The only Ubisoft game I tried was Assassin’s Creed Black Flag, and it was the buggiest piece of shit I have ever encountered.
Black Flag was actually one of the best Assassin’s Creed games as far as I heard from fans.
It kept crashing to desktop for me. Literally unplayable.
They can start using AI to make games and no one will notice
Classic Ubishit…
Poopysoft
Ubisoft sucks
It isn’t like Nintendo where the games make up for much, Ubisoft fucking blows. Their games are either shallow as shit, or cookie-cutter grindfests based on the same old tired design. I’m glad they don’t own anything that anybody would miss. There isn’t a franchise they own that they haven’t already ruined. Rayman, maybe?
Jesus Christ that’s like comic book super villain bad.
Ubisoft is the Shredder of game companies. Evil, but ultimately their plans would fall apart even without the Turtles intervening because they are just awful.
Shredder never even has defined plans. Now granted, I was a kid in the 80s. If the new series is different, I don’t know. I didn’t even see the micheal bay movies. I saw the original cartoon, the first 3 movies, and the “coming out of our shell” tour.
Shredder always just kind of showed up, and maybe robbed a jewelry store. Or kidnapped April and that skinny news reporter guy.
There never seemed to be a plan. It was always just vague “do crime and evil shit…”
Then they introduced the mafia, who for some reason just liked tickling everybodies feet.
Also shredder was kinda cool, even if evil.
In the original comics the Shredder is killed in the first issue.
I only know the OG cartoon and movies, myself. Shredder wasn’t even the true villain in the OG cartoon after a certain point; he became Krang’s bumbling henchman in like the second or 3rd season. Krang, being the literal brains of the operstion had plans and Shredder, well… Shredded them.
So I ended up reading up on the original comics because I knew they were a bit darker than the cartoons. It seems shredder is only in volume 1 of 4. In it he’s basically a New York Yakuza boss that kills splinters master. So splinter trains the turtles to kill shredder. After that he does get resurrected once, but after that he stays dead.
Volume 2 cover a full on battle with DARPA (for experimenting on aliens and turtles), Volume 3 has a possible daughter of shredder trying to get revenge, but volume 4 retcons volume 3 and focuses on a future where aliens come to earth and the turtles can roam the streets as “aliens” (which isn’t that weird for the series as aliens first appear in volume 1).
So, yeah, it gets kinda weird.
they even attempted some propaganda by using a show, mythic quest in the pandemic.
IANAL but wasn’t that text just some “standard” legalese relating to the way they license software and it was basically unenforceable anyway? I know it’s cool to pick on ubisoft for being a shit company, but BG3 had a similar requirement in the game’s EULA:
Same for GOG iirc, but I’m too lazy to search.
It seems like the relevant section in the Ubisoft EULA says
I read this wording of this to be stricter than the BG3 example you shared, because the BG3 one seems to be saying “if you don’t agree to this EULA (or if you agree, but later terminate that agreement), then you must uninstall the game”. Whereas the Ubisoft one seems to include Ubisoft terminating the agreement, rather than just the user. That’s just my interpretation of these snippets though, as someone who is not a lawyer. It’s possible that the BG3 EULA also includes other parts that would mean similar to what people are unhappy about on the Ubisoft EULA
afaik both are unenforceable since you can only read them after paying for the product.
Gog doesn’t have this. They specifically market it that you get to download a binary install and keep the game forever.
yes but there’s still a EULA you agree to about redistribution and how you’re allowed to use the software etc…even FOSS software has licenses. if there’s terms in there about being able to back out of the agreement, i’d imagine there would be a clause about destroying copies of the software
that all seems very reasonable
This being “standard legalese” sounds fine to you?
Isn’t the conditions quite different, from your screenshot, you get to devices if you want to terminate. But in the other case, they decide.
Yep I believe that’s what this is. I’ve seen clauses like this in other stuff too. Pretty boiler plate. Not like they can actually enforce it.
Then why the fuck did they write it?
Because a good lawyer looks for any sort of far reaching authority they can legally get away with, and will continues to push boundaries as legally far as they can until they get challenged. All in the name of protecting their clients from liability.
I don’t like it, but I get it. And these things can fall apart when challenged in court or public opinion.
Makes me think of the guy who died from an allergy at Disney land and Disney tried to say he couldn’t sue because of his Disney plus agreement.
Lawyers put in all kinds of legal clauses specifically to try and avoid any and all liability on anything imaginable or unimaginable. Most times it’s beyond what anyone would call reasonable. But we aren’t dealing with reasonable people.
Say I broke a game disk that they told me I had to destroy and I cut myself on it, deep enough to need medical attention. I wonder if I could sue them for the costs, since they specifically told me I had to break my game.
It’s why no legitimate site is reporting this, because it’s nonsense rage bait.
That’s saying that if YOU stop the agreement, you have to delete the game though.
They both are. Both agreements can be terminated for any reason. Larion’s says nothing that would prevent them from terminating the agreement, it only clarifies that the signer can. There’s no real difference here.
I read it the same way you did. If you want to terminate the EULA, then they request you remove your copies of the game. In that snippet it says nothing about them arbitrary demand you delete all your copies.
Exactly this. And it’s kind of logical actually, when you go crazy like writing Larian “fuck this shit I hate the game, you can shove it up your ass” it’s no surprise you’re fed up with the game and don’t want to have it anymore. It’s like when you literally destroyed diskette/CD/DVD back then in a rage (or fighting addiction).
That’s one way to tell everyone that you didn’t understand the comment.
Care to explain then?
I didn’t want to dig out the EULA for more context of that snippet.
I can’t find it on GOG’s but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s in most EULAs. I’ve seen emails saying “confidential, if you are not the intended recipient of this email you must delete it.” There’s no way to enforce that. Ubisoft isn’t coming to your house to review the contents of your drives. I’m guessing it’s to stop some loophole like “you said I can’t resell your game so instead I sold my hard drive (that has the game installed on it)”.
Nice observation. Nonetheless it is wrong in any circumstance.
I’m going to keep boycotting ubisoft until they release Beyond Good and Evil 2. Then I’ll boycott them because there’s no way they don’t turn it into an open world-climb towers to unlock the map-crafting-nonsense
Never buying Ubi again. Doesn’t matter what the game is. Fukem.
Here I though offline mode for The Crew 2 was a small step in the right direction or an olive branch. This is what I get for being optimistic I guess lol
I’ll believe it when I see it.