The web app that runs on browsers, Linux, etc., only supports 1080p/60fps. The native client for Windows and Mac can run at high resolution and max settings and fps.
The only Windows PC at my home is now fully offline 24/7. I just need it for Davinci Studio, Daz Studio and Marvelous Designer. If they only could get a Linux version to work I could live life De-Microsofted.
I’m waiting for Microsoft to inevitably be forced to keep supporting 10 for free[1] longer than they planned, because 11 uptake just isn’t fast enough.
What happened with 7 will happen with 10, and they’ll end up supporting it for another year or two.
Microsoft is trying damn hard to not care about consumers, but the consumer market still matters, so I suspect angry customers will force their hand.
They already plan on charging money to keep supporting 10 past it’s end-of-life date, but I suspect this will have a lot of angry pushback that will result in at least a year or two of free updates. ↩︎
Most likely an unpopular opinion, but I took this opportunity to try something new and made the switch to macOS at home as my daily device. If I do end up gaming, I’ll probably just get myself a Steam Deck.
After switching to Mac OS I have 0 interest in using Linux on my actual conputer. I still have windows machine for work, and my servers are all Linux. But any machine I want to use is gonna run Mac.
You’re already closer to using Linux by doing so. Lots of people are unaware that macOS continues to be Certified UNIX. Many of the command line tools function very similarly to their Linux counterparts.
This is actually why I use macOS at work - I wasn’t able to get a Linux box approved by IT but they happily support macOS and I get to use basically all the same software I do on Linux.
You think the US govt will let MS drop 2/3rds of US citizens laptops from support?
I think some senators will hold a hearing to grandstand about security and forced obsolescence and MS will be shamed into extending the support window a couple more years.
Windows 10 is over 10 years old at this point. Microsoft learned from XP It can’t live forever.
Businesses typically lease their machines for 2-3 years so they all support 11. And do you really think the government cares about regular citizens? lol.
Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 has a 10 year support window, and subsequent LTSC versions, 5 years. If you can get your hands on one of these licences you would presumably continue to receive security patches. If the US government is somehow not running on this kind of licence, it would be pretty funny, but I’m sure Microsoft would be lenient and let them jump onto whatever compatible LTSC version given its an American company.
But most hospital computers won’t be exposed to internet right? And they probably run a bunch of propriety software that only supports xp so makes sense it took them a long time.
“Learn” linux not even a requirement, a lot of distros work fine as a normal-person-os out of the box (Ubuntu & any of its spin-offs, Manjaro, Deepin, etc), with maybe some minimal youtube/forum troubleshooting, probably comparable with the amount you would do on windows.
Eh, I’d say the biggest learning curve is updates and how they’re generally password protected.
It’s actually not straightforward to a new Linux user how to bypass entering your password every time there are updates, and with how often Linux updates, this can create headaches and confusion for new users.
Especially with coming from Windows and being used to Microsoft arbitrarily forcing updates in the background. They are confused because Microsoft gave them zero control, while Linux actually gives them full control, and that can be confusing when you’re used to updates being forced on you in the background.
Linux expects you to be an adult and handle this shit, and does a lot less hand-holding for the casual user, and this can be overwhelming for some new users, because it’s a lot of extra personal responsibility they formerly didn’t have to think about. Some people just don’t have the extra mental energy to dedicate to it all.
Win10 gets Copilot as well. Pushed without consent. Likewise if you use a program like InControl to lock W11 to 22H2, you can keep copilot at bay. For a time.
Switching to any other platform is better though. Screw them.
There are many many business customers that can’t use copilot. They are not going to tell them to just lock into an old insecure version. You’ll be able to disable it, at the very least, on a Pro license using Group Policy.
Like everything else Microsoft does that has legal implications regarding PII.
Probably gonna keep my desktop running win10 by then because I’ll hopefully have a new desktop by then that I can easily set up Linux on. Got too much on my desktop to move over and I certainly don’t know any tools able to make the process any easier.
Probably gonna just use it as an experimental PC that I can test out server related things on.
I’m adding debian to the drive on a ten plus year old laptop as we speak. It’s taking forever because I have to do part of it manually but usually it takes less than an hour and is mostly idiot proof (my current project is on its 3rd week so I am just a special kind of idiot) but a small lightweight distro alongside the windows partition is an easy way to give old hardware new life without migrating data.
I would add a small partition, but I’m always anxious about stuff like that because I seemingly always hear things about windows messing with Linux partitions and breaking dual boot. That, and I am running out of space on my 1TB drive it came with. Two or three years of me using it thinking that I’ll never fill it up before I upgrade computers and suddenly I have to worry.
Windows 10 is near EoL, however that’s for Home/Pro/Enterprise versions, you can move to one of those for more time:
Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC - 2027
Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC - 2032
To be fair I don’t really believe that Microsoft will kill it when they say they will. And even if they do it, porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.
porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.
The way will likely be to just adjust some registry keys to force Windows Update to pull from the LTSC update channel. That’s been the solution for ages, no “porting” needed.
Group Policy
I’ve lost count of how many of these articles have been posted on Lemmy screaming that the sky was falling over something you can switch off with three clicks and a scroll (Start, Settings, Personalization, scroll to the bottom and click the final switch). Group policy may be beyond the general skill level, which makes the constant Linux suggestions even more laughable.
Like you, I regularly direct people to group policy (and even how to safely activate Windows with a fake Pro license so they can get Group Policy). Fighting an uphill battle.
As a former Windows user: this is true, you can disable most of the features you don’t like. I was doing that for many Windows versions, from 98 to 10.
However it was indeed fighting an uphill battle: there was more and more BS with every update, I felt that I couldn’t trust my computer, I had to check forums in order to know what’s the newest thing to turn off.
I am happier now without Windows, even though I had to learn a few new apps.
Group policy may be beyond the general skill level, which makes the constant Linux suggestions even more laughable.
Ahaha yeah, I’ve said that SO MANY times. People have issues setting a few toggles on a point-and-click UI but then it is okay to suddenly move to a entirely different OS that most likely won’t have the software they’re used to and requires terminal skills to deal with most things. Laughable indeed.
Have you actually used linux? Terminal is optional. Most linux users use it because it’s rad, not because it’s necessary.
Digging through the registry or searching ad laden websites to find where a new setting or old menu is buried is more time consuming than typing man <command> or tldr <command>. The latter is to improve my system and the former to prevent a private company from making it worse.
Doesn’t group policy tweaks gets reverted on update or something like that? I heard about this group policy workaround and also heard something that said it wasn’t that great of a solution.
No, that’s a myth. Registry edits may revert in some cases yes, but group policy is different as it designed exactly to configure machines in a stable way.
Glad to hear that. After trying to linux and not having a great experience, I am forced to comeback to Windows. Will try these out next time.
On that note, do we have some good Windows forks/builds which remove the bloat for us? I heard about lot of them, not sure which one is actually worth trying.
It’s not learning linux for me; I’ve worked with it professionally for over a decade at this point and started with old distros on floppy at home (with poor success; it got better once I got gentoo and broadband).
The pain of switching is non-zero, but it’s also not high. By this I mean just the process of moving data around, settings, etc.
Finding replacement apps can be annoying.
There are some things that still bother me, though. Certain games still won’t work or aren’t stable. This impacts some people more than others depending upon the type of game. For me, it’s still being gun shy because updates have caused me huge headaches including requiring a reinstall even in fairly recent times. I’ve had to fix one windows update problem in that same period of years and it did not require a full reinstall.
I have a full-time job, house/yard maintenance, and a small farming business. I require reliability with security (so not updating is not an option) and don’t have time to spend diagnosing and solving issues. I also can’t not fulfill orders, etc. because of an issue bother from a customer retention standpoint but also because when selling farm goods, those are mostly fresh produce with a limited TTL.
I have 12 months to reassess things, but I’m not liking my current position. It doesn’t help that a lot of the software for the Japanese side of things (tax office, accounting, etc.) do not have cloud versions and require Windows to work. I’m not sure if any of those work under WINE or similar at this stage.
I’ll be downvoted to hell for saying this. But in this event I think it’s better for you to upgrade to Win 11 or maybe even move to MacOS (mac mini is pretty cheap), though I don’t know if you’ll find your replacement apps.
I use Win for work (no choice there) and Ubuntu at home (just browse the net, and only browser applications).
I use Mac for work and despise it. It also wouldn’t cover the national tax authority and other apps that don’t support mac (though some do support iOS,but those all also support android and not an issue there). They could have sneakily added Mac support whilst I wasn’t looking do I will definitely check again before deciding anything finally.
Similar history including gentoo and distcc to speed up openoffice and x11 compiles with a pile of old computers.
Put linux on a PC laptop and it just so happens the NVMe controller in conjunction with the kernel driver has some glitch that causes the hard drive to fall off the bus forever. No big deal…
It’s great seeing a bunch of nvme nvme0: I/O (number) (I/O Cmd) QID 10 timeout, aborting then reset controller then removing after probe annnd data loss. Didn’t have the patience to figure out the bug in the driver right now. Maybe someday.
Steam has a native Linux client that uses a custom version of Wine called Proton. It handles all the emulator settings for you. All the Steam games I bought in Windows run just fine under Linux. And amost all my older, non-Steam games (like Deus Ex or Giants: Citizen Kabuto) work great under Wine.
I’d love to, but I am too dependent on my VST Plug-in library on Reaper. Running them through Wine/Carla doesn’t cut it.
I played with the idea of getting a Mac for music production, and installing a Linux distro on my desktop for gaming and video editing. But I couldn’t really justify dropping 1000-2000€ on a laptop with inferior performance to my desktop.
Looked into used specimen, but getting a 3-year old model only gets you a couple more years of software support.
So Windows 11 with a local account and many policy modifications it is.
Be wary of sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes you gotta bite the bullet & allow yourself to see it as some wasted money with the opportunity to start over with something with less lock-in or the boost in creativity of now having to work with new constraints.
Virtual environments are really not viable for music production. Latency and other inconsistensies makes it a no-go.
High level Music production requires very low audio and input latency in addition to consistent and 100% accurate sound reproduction.
A virtual environment is a wildcard here that I at least would not bother trying to make work. (Not saying it can’t be done, just saying it would potentially be a big headache and extremely conditioned on spesific hardware, drivers and configuration settings.)
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Yes, Chris Titus tool did it for me.
Christ Titus the comedian?
Chris Titus the IT mastermind
Are these the same person or is there two Chris Tituses
I’m so confused :(
Two different people, though not without similarities
I got this joke lol
Edit: the images weren’t showing up for me at first and were just a bunch of numbers so I thought you were making a joke about memory adresses
Lol, that’d be good
All I need is a native, feature complete, Nvidia GeForce Now Linux client. It is literally the only reason I keep a Windows installation around.
Native? Isnt it a web app?
The web app that runs on browsers, Linux, etc., only supports 1080p/60fps. The native client for Windows and Mac can run at high resolution and max settings and fps.
The only Windows PC at my home is now fully offline 24/7. I just need it for Davinci Studio, Daz Studio and Marvelous Designer. If they only could get a Linux version to work I could live life De-Microsofted.
I’m waiting for Microsoft to inevitably be forced to keep supporting 10 for free[1] longer than they planned, because 11 uptake just isn’t fast enough.
What happened with 7 will happen with 10, and they’ll end up supporting it for another year or two.
Microsoft is trying damn hard to not care about consumers, but the consumer market still matters, so I suspect angry customers will force their hand.
They already plan on charging money to keep supporting 10 past it’s end-of-life date, but I suspect this will have a lot of angry pushback that will result in at least a year or two of free updates. ↩︎
Most likely an unpopular opinion, but I took this opportunity to try something new and made the switch to macOS at home as my daily device. If I do end up gaming, I’ll probably just get myself a Steam Deck.
Which ironically also requires you do buy a new device
The irony isn’t lost on me!
And Apple is also pushing its own omnipresent AI.
After switching to Mac OS I have 0 interest in using Linux on my actual conputer. I still have windows machine for work, and my servers are all Linux. But any machine I want to use is gonna run Mac.
You’re already closer to using Linux by doing so. Lots of people are unaware that macOS continues to be Certified UNIX. Many of the command line tools function very similarly to their Linux counterparts.
This is actually why I use macOS at work - I wasn’t able to get a Linux box approved by IT but they happily support macOS and I get to use basically all the same software I do on Linux.
You think the US govt will let MS drop 2/3rds of US citizens laptops from support?
I think some senators will hold a hearing to grandstand about security and forced obsolescence and MS will be shamed into extending the support window a couple more years.
Windows 10 is over 10 years old at this point. Microsoft learned from XP It can’t live forever.
Businesses typically lease their machines for 2-3 years so they all support 11. And do you really think the government cares about regular citizens? lol.
Meanwhile the US govt:
says nothing because it has its mouth full of corporate cock
What will the government do themselves? I think they are still running 10, and I haven’t heard of any announcements from agencies switching.
Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 has a 10 year support window, and subsequent LTSC versions, 5 years. If you can get your hands on one of these licences you would presumably continue to receive security patches. If the US government is somehow not running on this kind of licence, it would be pretty funny, but I’m sure Microsoft would be lenient and let them jump onto whatever compatible LTSC version given its an American company.
i doubt any of the dinosaurs in congress even know what an operating system is
They only switched from XP what, less than 10 years ago?
I think the hospital my mother works at was using XP for all of their computers until like 2018-2019
But most hospital computers won’t be exposed to internet right? And they probably run a bunch of propriety software that only supports xp so makes sense it took them a long time.
“Learn” linux not even a requirement, a lot of distros work fine as a normal-person-os out of the box (Ubuntu & any of its spin-offs, Manjaro, Deepin, etc), with maybe some minimal youtube/forum troubleshooting, probably comparable with the amount you would do on windows.
The last time I had to troubleshoot windows I was running 98 or XP I believe.
Eh, I’d say the biggest learning curve is updates and how they’re generally password protected.
It’s actually not straightforward to a new Linux user how to bypass entering your password every time there are updates, and with how often Linux updates, this can create headaches and confusion for new users.
Especially with coming from Windows and being used to Microsoft arbitrarily forcing updates in the background. They are confused because Microsoft gave them zero control, while Linux actually gives them full control, and that can be confusing when you’re used to updates being forced on you in the background.
Linux expects you to be an adult and handle this shit, and does a lot less hand-holding for the casual user, and this can be overwhelming for some new users, because it’s a lot of extra personal responsibility they formerly didn’t have to think about. Some people just don’t have the extra mental energy to dedicate to it all.
Gnome Software does updates without a password. On my fedora machine, it will even download updates automatically.
KDE Discover does my updates without passwords just fine
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my ostree updates fine
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I wish this was true, but that’s not the reality. If things are not exactly the same, people lose any common sense they may have had.
Win10 gets Copilot as well. Pushed without consent. Likewise if you use a program like InControl to lock W11 to 22H2, you can keep copilot at bay. For a time.
Switching to any other platform is better though. Screw them.
There are many many business customers that can’t use copilot. They are not going to tell them to just lock into an old insecure version. You’ll be able to disable it, at the very least, on a Pro license using Group Policy.
Like everything else Microsoft does that has legal implications regarding PII.
Probably gonna keep my desktop running win10 by then because I’ll hopefully have a new desktop by then that I can easily set up Linux on. Got too much on my desktop to move over and I certainly don’t know any tools able to make the process any easier.
Probably gonna just use it as an experimental PC that I can test out server related things on.
You could just add another hard drive, install Linux on it, than access all your files on the old hard drive exactly where they are.
If nothing else, I might look into something like that.
I’m adding debian to the drive on a ten plus year old laptop as we speak. It’s taking forever because I have to do part of it manually but usually it takes less than an hour and is mostly idiot proof (my current project is on its 3rd week so I am just a special kind of idiot) but a small lightweight distro alongside the windows partition is an easy way to give old hardware new life without migrating data.
I would add a small partition, but I’m always anxious about stuff like that because I seemingly always hear things about windows messing with Linux partitions and breaking dual boot. That, and I am running out of space on my 1TB drive it came with. Two or three years of me using it thinking that I’ll never fill it up before I upgrade computers and suddenly I have to worry.
Completely bullshit, garbage clickbait title.
Windows 10 is near EoL, however that’s for Home/Pro/Enterprise versions, you can move to one of those for more time:
To be fair I don’t really believe that Microsoft will kill it when they say they will. And even if they do it, porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.
Now on Windows 11:
You can just disable copilot and all the other garbage using group policy, now that hard and you’ll end up with essentially Windows 10. https://www.xda-developers.com/how-disable-microsoft-copilot/
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
The way will likely be to just adjust some registry keys to force Windows Update to pull from the LTSC update channel. That’s been the solution for ages, no “porting” needed.
I’ve lost count of how many of these articles have been posted on Lemmy screaming that the sky was falling over something you can switch off with three clicks and a scroll (Start, Settings, Personalization, scroll to the bottom and click the final switch). Group policy may be beyond the general skill level, which makes the constant Linux suggestions even more laughable.
Like you, I regularly direct people to group policy (and even how to safely activate Windows with a fake Pro license so they can get Group Policy). Fighting an uphill battle.
As a former Windows user: this is true, you can disable most of the features you don’t like. I was doing that for many Windows versions, from 98 to 10.
However it was indeed fighting an uphill battle: there was more and more BS with every update, I felt that I couldn’t trust my computer, I had to check forums in order to know what’s the newest thing to turn off.
I am happier now without Windows, even though I had to learn a few new apps.
Ahaha yeah, I’ve said that SO MANY times. People have issues setting a few toggles on a point-and-click UI but then it is okay to suddenly move to a entirely different OS that most likely won’t have the software they’re used to and requires terminal skills to deal with most things. Laughable indeed.
Have you actually used linux? Terminal is optional. Most linux users use it because it’s rad, not because it’s necessary.
Digging through the registry or searching ad laden websites to find where a new setting or old menu is buried is more time consuming than typing
man <command>ortldr <command>. The latter is to improve my system and the former to prevent a private company from making it worse.Doesn’t group policy tweaks gets reverted on update or something like that? I heard about this group policy workaround and also heard something that said it wasn’t that great of a solution.
No, that’s a myth. Registry edits may revert in some cases yes, but group policy is different as it designed exactly to configure machines in a stable way.
Glad to hear that. After trying to linux and not having a great experience, I am forced to comeback to Windows. Will try these out next time.
On that note, do we have some good Windows forks/builds which remove the bloat for us? I heard about lot of them, not sure which one is actually worth trying.
You should not trust those builds. Everything you need to know is documented here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/manage-connections-from-windows-operating-system-components-to-microsoft-services
Windows 10/11 Enterprise is recommended as that’s the version where Microsoft can’t fuck up.
I’ve used Linux on and off for a long time but I’m stuck with Windows for now because redoing my Plex library would be a huge ball-ache.
Can’t you export your library / media settings and only have to change file paths or mnt points?
Why would switching require redoing your Plex library?
It’s probably a me problem, but I ran into some issues with the mount points resetting on reboot.
It’s not learning linux for me; I’ve worked with it professionally for over a decade at this point and started with old distros on floppy at home (with poor success; it got better once I got gentoo and broadband).
The pain of switching is non-zero, but it’s also not high. By this I mean just the process of moving data around, settings, etc.
Finding replacement apps can be annoying.
There are some things that still bother me, though. Certain games still won’t work or aren’t stable. This impacts some people more than others depending upon the type of game. For me, it’s still being gun shy because updates have caused me huge headaches including requiring a reinstall even in fairly recent times. I’ve had to fix one windows update problem in that same period of years and it did not require a full reinstall.
I have a full-time job, house/yard maintenance, and a small farming business. I require reliability with security (so not updating is not an option) and don’t have time to spend diagnosing and solving issues. I also can’t not fulfill orders, etc. because of an issue bother from a customer retention standpoint but also because when selling farm goods, those are mostly fresh produce with a limited TTL.
I have 12 months to reassess things, but I’m not liking my current position. It doesn’t help that a lot of the software for the Japanese side of things (tax office, accounting, etc.) do not have cloud versions and require Windows to work. I’m not sure if any of those work under WINE or similar at this stage.
I’ll be downvoted to hell for saying this. But in this event I think it’s better for you to upgrade to Win 11 or maybe even move to MacOS (mac mini is pretty cheap), though I don’t know if you’ll find your replacement apps.
I use Win for work (no choice there) and Ubuntu at home (just browse the net, and only browser applications).
I use Mac for work and despise it. It also wouldn’t cover the national tax authority and other apps that don’t support mac (though some do support iOS,but those all also support android and not an issue there). They could have sneakily added Mac support whilst I wasn’t looking do I will definitely check again before deciding anything finally.
Similar history including gentoo and distcc to speed up openoffice and x11 compiles with a pile of old computers.
Put linux on a PC laptop and it just so happens the NVMe controller in conjunction with the kernel driver has some glitch that causes the hard drive to fall off the bus forever. No big deal…
It’s great seeing a bunch of
nvme nvme0: I/O (number) (I/O Cmd) QID 10 timeout, abortingthenreset controllerthenremoving after probeannnd data loss. Didn’t have the patience to figure out the bug in the driver right now. Maybe someday.Steam has a native Linux client that uses a custom version of Wine called Proton. It handles all the emulator settings for you. All the Steam games I bought in Windows run just fine under Linux. And amost all my older, non-Steam games (like Deus Ex or Giants: Citizen Kabuto) work great under Wine.
Out of curiosity, are there any hacked versions of Windows with the worst shit gutted available out there?
Check out GhostSpectre. Or just the LTSC versions. Or the enterprise-versions where you can tell it what you want or not.
You can use Win 10 LTSC/LTSB. Much longer support.
I’d love to, but I am too dependent on my VST Plug-in library on Reaper. Running them through Wine/Carla doesn’t cut it.
I played with the idea of getting a Mac for music production, and installing a Linux distro on my desktop for gaming and video editing. But I couldn’t really justify dropping 1000-2000€ on a laptop with inferior performance to my desktop.
Looked into used specimen, but getting a 3-year old model only gets you a couple more years of software support.
So Windows 11 with a local account and many policy modifications it is.
Be wary of sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes you gotta bite the bullet & allow yourself to see it as some wasted money with the opportunity to start over with something with less lock-in or the boost in creativity of now having to work with new constraints.
If VSTs are the problem, you could try: https://github.com/falkTX/Carla (I haven’t tried it myself so I don’t know how well it actually works)
As I mentioned in the previous comment, Carla isn’t cutting it - not stable enough in my experience.
Oh, sorry. Missed it 🙂
Have you considered running the software you need from a virtual machine inside your Linux distro?
Virtual environments are really not viable for music production. Latency and other inconsistensies makes it a no-go.
High level Music production requires very low audio and input latency in addition to consistent and 100% accurate sound reproduction.
A virtual environment is a wildcard here that I at least would not bother trying to make work. (Not saying it can’t be done, just saying it would potentially be a big headache and extremely conditioned on spesific hardware, drivers and configuration settings.)
#RUNBSD
Yeah I loved “It’s Like That”