PS5 is just 1.2 million units behind PS4, launch aligned, but Sony expects to sell fewer consoles this year…
Also noteworthy that not only are PS5 sales behind PS4, but the PlayStation’s competition has almost entirely disappeared, and that hasn’t resulted in more PlayStations sold.
System based exclusives meaning you might not be able to play a game you want to in the future, expensive subscriptiona needed to play online, push to digital DRM controlled games… it’s almost like consoles killed themselves?
Well the alternative is PC gaming, and building a competitive PC aint cheap. I remember on launch people were building computers with similar performance to the xbone/ps4. But now that entry level dGPUs aren’t a thing, and even mid range GPUs are expensive you get fucked either way.
The PS5 is at least powerful on launch. The 4 was on par with like a regular APU.
I think more and more people have done the math on what your break-even is with a PC up front compared to noncompetitive digital console storefronts, needless forced obsolescence, and subscription fees.
A certified refurbished ps5 can be had right at this moment for $399, $450 new. I game on PC for many other reasons but the performance for value is pretty amazing on the ps5
Same, yeah I mean once you’re established the actual cost of games on steam is ludicrously small depending on your habits. I’m pretty much locked-in to pc gaming simply for the love of indie titles that more often than not do not get published to consoles. Lots of those games are just straight up free
We also have to consider the value the computer itself serves beyond just gaming. If you’re gonna get a $500 ps5 and you’re already going for an $800-$1200 computer, well hey. You could really get the best of both worlds without affecting the budget. Probably could even save money
But I think there’s also a big group that isn’t in that situation. I know plenty of people who rock like a chromebook and the cheapest xbox. Or people who only play like NBA 2k or something. Or people who play 1-2 big titles a year when they get caught in the hype train, and can enjoy them at 4k60fps for the much lower upfront cost
Personal anecdote. My PC cost me £900 in 2017. I haven’t upgraded it since. I have saved a significant amount of money in that time that would otherwise have been spent on PlayStation Plus for the benefit of playing multiplayer and the general higher price of games.
Even if you accept the argument that consoles are significantly cheaper in the first place, the point that PC ownership saves money in the long run is often overlooked.
I’ve never owned as many games for as little cost as I do now.
And the games that really demand the high-end hardware tend to be pretty rare in the grand scheme of things, not to mention less likely to be as good as the low spec games. I always joke with my friends that I might buy a killer new PC in the next year or so, but my most-played game will still be a 2D game from 2012 that absolutely doesn’t need it.
Why are people going for Bazzite for desktops? I’ve got it on a mini PC, and it’s great for the living room and travel, but even then the updater still keeps trying to apply an update from April 28th over and over again. Is it a good choice for desktop too? I’m on Kubuntu now but will probably shop around for a new distro with my next PC.
I’ve been using it on a desktop for more than a year now.
Never experienced that bug you mention but once the power went out during an update and it didn’t want to boot, so I just chose the second option at boot and it’s never failed again. Maybe something strange happened in your case, you should try it again.
Entry can exceed the cost of the console but if you upgrade your existing one, especially using used gpus it is dirt cheap.
Now factor in:
pc games online stores are cheaper, there are more opportunities for good deals. Usually 5-10 eur off a game.
you are not an idiot who pays for the internet twice, 80 eur a year.
-pc game stores have better deals as console ones usually refuse to let the price down for a looong time since they have no competition
you are sonys bitch by owning a ps5 and you are not elegible for any refunds. Saving you tons of money since every pc game store lets you refund for any reason within a time window.
and even a pc double the cost of a ps5 will be cheaper very quickly. Consoles are designed to catch people with no long term thinking.
After Nintendo saw how much the Wii succeeded while effectively being a gamecube with motion controls and a DVD drive vs. two “top tier titans”, they never bothered again with being at the forefront of tech, which possibly felt like a homecoming, considering the Famicom was kinda underpowered at release, but cheap to produce.
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This generation lacked must play games or technological breakthroughs. It was just kinda… there?
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Man, imagine if the PS6 launches and it’s just PS4 & 5 ports and “”“upgrades”“” all over again
System based exclusives meaning you might not be able to play a game you want to in the future, expensive subscriptiona needed to play online, push to digital DRM controlled games… it’s almost like consoles killed themselves?
I haven’t payed to play online in years. Like mid PS4 life. Online only games don’t require a subscription.
Well the alternative is PC gaming, and building a competitive PC aint cheap. I remember on launch people were building computers with similar performance to the xbone/ps4. But now that entry level dGPUs aren’t a thing, and even mid range GPUs are expensive you get fucked either way.
The PS5 is at least powerful on launch. The 4 was on par with like a regular APU.
I think more and more people have done the math on what your break-even is with a PC up front compared to noncompetitive digital console storefronts, needless forced obsolescence, and subscription fees.
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A certified refurbished ps5 can be had right at this moment for $399, $450 new. I game on PC for many other reasons but the performance for value is pretty amazing on the ps5
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Same, yeah I mean once you’re established the actual cost of games on steam is ludicrously small depending on your habits. I’m pretty much locked-in to pc gaming simply for the love of indie titles that more often than not do not get published to consoles. Lots of those games are just straight up free
We also have to consider the value the computer itself serves beyond just gaming. If you’re gonna get a $500 ps5 and you’re already going for an $800-$1200 computer, well hey. You could really get the best of both worlds without affecting the budget. Probably could even save money
But I think there’s also a big group that isn’t in that situation. I know plenty of people who rock like a chromebook and the cheapest xbox. Or people who only play like NBA 2k or something. Or people who play 1-2 big titles a year when they get caught in the hype train, and can enjoy them at 4k60fps for the much lower upfront cost
You can also buy a used PC or laptop or CPU/GPU/…, buying them new when you want good performance for value is nonsense.
Certainly, but we’d then have to compare with the used ps5 market, which dips well below $300.
Can a used pc or a build with used components be had with comparable performance to ps5? Even with a much larger budget of say, $800?
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Why not? Like I said the certified refurbished directly from Sony is $399. Plenty of listings up right now for $285-330
But even if we compare new consoles to used PCs I think the conclusion is the same
Personal anecdote. My PC cost me £900 in 2017. I haven’t upgraded it since. I have saved a significant amount of money in that time that would otherwise have been spent on PlayStation Plus for the benefit of playing multiplayer and the general higher price of games.
Even if you accept the argument that consoles are significantly cheaper in the first place, the point that PC ownership saves money in the long run is often overlooked.
I’ve never owned as many games for as little cost as I do now.
And the games that really demand the high-end hardware tend to be pretty rare in the grand scheme of things, not to mention less likely to be as good as the low spec games. I always joke with my friends that I might buy a killer new PC in the next year or so, but my most-played game will still be a 2D game from 2012 that absolutely doesn’t need it.
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Why are people going for Bazzite for desktops? I’ve got it on a mini PC, and it’s great for the living room and travel, but even then the updater still keeps trying to apply an update from April 28th over and over again. Is it a good choice for desktop too? I’m on Kubuntu now but will probably shop around for a new distro with my next PC.
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It just works, so that’s why I use it.
I’ve been using it on a desktop for more than a year now.
Never experienced that bug you mention but once the power went out during an update and it didn’t want to boot, so I just chose the second option at boot and it’s never failed again. Maybe something strange happened in your case, you should try it again.
If you’re not too stuck on modern AAA titles, PC gaming is cheap. Possibly the cost of the electricity coming out of the wall.
Building a PC that can compete with current console IS cheap
Entry can exceed the cost of the console but if you upgrade your existing one, especially using used gpus it is dirt cheap.
Now factor in:
and even a pc double the cost of a ps5 will be cheaper very quickly. Consoles are designed to catch people with no long term thinking.
Mini pcs are a thing and they get better every year.
This is going to piss off some people, but I knew this generation was in trouble when HellDivers became big.
That game isn’t hot garbage, per se, but the fact that it got the success it did is a pretty damning indictment of the state of multiplayer shooters.
Switch ate them all while being 2 generations behind
After Nintendo saw how much the Wii succeeded while effectively being a gamecube with motion controls and a DVD drive vs. two “top tier titans”, they never bothered again with being at the forefront of tech, which possibly felt like a homecoming, considering the Famicom was kinda underpowered at release, but cheap to produce.
Its not ps5, its ps4 pro pro. They’re the same console and Im tired of pretending otherwise.
This implies the PS5 pro is the PS4 pro pro pro