Tied to your phone number. Cannot use without phone number - result is automatic 0 privacy.
Another issue - there is absolutely 0 recourse if they ban you, there is no support you can email, there Is absolutely nothing. So if you have a family group there and telegram banned you - you are out of options entirely other than switching phone number and device.
Don’t touch that garbage platform with a 60ft pole.
The obvious solution is architecting society such that parents have more time to parent while making enough to pay the bills, rather than exporting parenting because they can’t afford to miss work due to parenting.
You start having enough of these conversations, and it all eventually points back to capitalism and taxing the rich.
I am also leaving discord, I hated it and the people who use it a lot, but used it to connect to family members. I will find other ways.
This is the same exact cycle I went through with social media, which I also left entirely. I stopped browsing a lot of sites I used to, I took most of my personal info off the internet, and ended a lot of subscriptions.
The internet lately is feeling more and more like making end-of-life plans.
The parenting aspect is a red herring. Nothing about these policies is really to ‘protect the children’. The big tech groups have figured out that they can gate-keep … everything… and require your pii/data to get to it; and that many/most people will give up that data to keep access to their content.
That said, teaching your children about the importance of privacy is becoming as important as teaching them about other harmful online content. “Don’t trust a Nigerian prince, let me know if you’re being bullied, don’t watch porn* and don’t scan your face to get on discord”
* until you’re 18-ish, at which point go nuts, just know it’s all fake.
Other people have been recommending other apps and websites like Stoat and Team Speak though I am sure that a new app will use this opportunity to go viral.
yea, but with the video streaming team speak seems better equipped for gameing, at the cost of the federated capability of martix, but i am not sure what these benefits would be
Or just get bought out. Discord was supposed to be the answer to Twitch getting gobbled up. Then Microsoft gobbled Discord.
Does anyone seriously believe there’s an indie third party social media site immune to a multi-million (possibly even billion) dollar buyout offer? One that won’t go the way of TikTok and be legislatively forced into sale?
i mean… i will pay the license for it, AND i have to self host it, so they have a monetary scheme that will delay the need for enshitification. but it’s 5$ or something, and reportedly has better audio quality, faster transfer rates, and lower overhead then discord. and because i am hosting it, i will have complete control over it and its white list
My discord account is about 10 years old. Do they assume I created it as a 6 year old? Account age alone should be enough to verify I’m an adult with reasonable certainty.
They will have some kind of nebulously described “thing” that will monitor your browsing and chatting habits on discord and use that to decide your “implicit age” and I wish any of that was a joke or rumor.
They won’t just ask for your face and ID, they are also admitting that AI or something is going to be literally watching you at all times to “determine your age.”
Tell me again how we’re protecting kids? Where them Epstein prosecutions at? We save any kids yet? How about now?
Legally, they can’t be sure you didn’t sell the account, even if the email address is the same.
Not defending the policy here, it’s bullshit. But I’m simply pointing out that they have excuses to beat any logic you throw at them. Logic has nothing to do with it, so it can’t be beaten by logic either.
I’m sure they’re very sowwy and have learned their lesson and your face and ID and personal, private browsing habits will be perfectly secure, and even the AI bot that will “monitor your habits to decide your implicit age” will be very quiet with all your sensitive personal details and not give it to anyone even if they ask very nicely for it.
Not really. At the beginning it was amazing. It took 0 resources to run while gaming and the call quality was miles ahead, nevermind the flexibility around servers and what you could do with them.
Then, as all things, it turned to shit once ot gained market share.
One of the most predictable outcomes of anyone or anything downfall is all the idiots coming out of the woodwork to loudly proclaim that they never liked it to begin with and actually saw this coming the whole time because they are so very super smart
This is one of the real root causes of enshittification, particularly around privacy.
Once a product is profitable, the profit needs to be protected. That’s not really a slight against it, just a reality of capitalism. Those developers expect their jobs to persist. Middle management probably wants to keep those developers on staff. C-suite needs number-go-up to keep their jobs (fuck them, but if number-go-down then other people lose their jobs too). Adhering to regulations limits the risk of the government suing the company to oblivion.
Discord has been big enough for a while that it needs to be aware of the legal and political landscape in order to survive. This is just them limiting their risk. It will cost them customers – sort of: I’m gone, and have been since September when they updated their TOS, but I’ve also never given them any money and I’ve never seen an ad other than theirs. I’ve been nothing but a cost, so maybe good riddance?
Discord is not the enemy here. The enemy is congress/parliament and the power grabs they keep enacting. Big Tech has captured our governments and wants our data. The ‘for the children’ angle is such a trope that everyone who isn’t a potato can see through it, and we need to tell our leaders that this isn’t acceptable.
I agree with everything you said, but Discord is also an asshole itself. It could not sell out, but it did. There are plenty of projects who kept their integrity against selling out even though they could’ve generated millions
Well yes, it was, but it worked, and it was still better than everything else. I’ve been on discord for 9 years.
Embedded browsers aren’t necessarily bad design. They’re super fast to develop, and if done well, can work super efficiently. A browser can have a billion tabs open and work just fine. The same can go with an electron app given that the devs give 2 shits about optimization.
Though if the Discord team doesn’t care about optimizing the electron app, they wouldn’t give a shit about optimizing a desktop app either.
When your job has communities that spring up around it, you either get there first, where you can work with the users and help steer, or just sheepishly join in the community efforts.
There are lots and lots of companies that use discord the same way they use facebook, just a place to promote and gather “feedback” and such. They likely mean they ran the official company server, not that they use discord to chat between teams.
Using it for more than text gets to be a bit arduous. I was going to make us a matrix instance, but honestly, we kinda love it when slack explodes and we go back tot he dark ages
I only use the platform to manage my dodgy IPTV subscription. Presumably they’ll be ditching Discord as well once they realise that they need to provide ID.
I am never going to convince my younger family members to change platform, they literally keep discord on 24/7 with their friends and SO’s and keep lobbies open around the clock to wander in and play games and stream and thrive in the social space.
It’s horrifically un-secure and I hate so much about the whole thing from a safety standpoint.
I will likely kill my main account and delete all my personal data and messages, for whatever good that will do, and just make a dummy account to received messages and say hi to family. Same as I did with facebook and other social media.
Dark Tom needs to rise to kick the internet’s ass and create a new, old internet that has no algorithms or bots.
I guess we would need some way to confirm the users aren’t AI or bad actors so we would need to use kind of face reco- oh, I see. We’re trapped in hell.
The general comment and title is simply untrue. They will require verification in cases of known adult or censored content, and in NSFW channels and servers. “Regular” content and spaces are untouched.
That said, I give it 6-10 months before it’s required for all users regardless of content access.
This includes a lot of harm reduction servers (especially drug related ones like the TripSit one, who help a lot of people every day and probably even save some lives), and having you need to send in your face or ID to access potentially life saving harm reduction info on illegal things is just the opposite of how harm reduction should work.
Sure, there’s still websites with these features, but discord was originally meant to be a safe space for everyone (including people who need help) and this just adds an extra barrier.
Yeah that’s definitely an issue. Realistically the only solution there is just to migrate such a community to a new home (fedi serves this need well). But admittedly one of the great boons of discord was discoverability, and that will be lost elsewhere without intervention.
They are also rolling out something like an AI that monitors your chatting and browsing habits that can determine your “implicit age” as well, this isn’t exactly shocking, but it’s gross how it’s being promoted as a handy feature.
The entire thing is a state surveillance project and yes, they are working on desensitizing the population to having no privacy or personal lives.
Sure hope our government doesn’t collapse to a fascist oligarchy or authoritarian surveillance state, sure could bite us all in the ass when the armed deathsquads get ahold of both our identifications, faces and our ideology and the names and faces of all our friends and family members.
Or would be a shame if all the people who use discord to communicate with other marginalized people suddenly had all their personal information revealed to friends, family and schools, including what chat channels and servers they visit, what games they play, who their friends are and so on.
Oh well, I’m sure the company and the government will be completely fair and transparent about all of our online identities.
Wouldn’t that significantly destroy their user base? Most servers I have seen it talked about the feeling seems to be not a fucking chance but we don’t use this for porn anyway.
I would love to see a popular alternative appear from this.
A popular alternative only arises if you migrate to it before it’s popular. There are multiple platforms already available that resemble discord already
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discord. the platform that has a huge pedophile problem? the platform that’s sympathetic towards conservative shitheads?
that discord?
It’s always been IRC with extra censorship.
And the garbage takes itself out, marvelous.
Whatever you do - don’t use telegram.
Would you be willing to elaborate more on this topic?
Tied to your phone number. Cannot use without phone number - result is automatic 0 privacy.
Another issue - there is absolutely 0 recourse if they ban you, there is no support you can email, there Is absolutely nothing. So if you have a family group there and telegram banned you - you are out of options entirely other than switching phone number and device.
Don’t touch that garbage platform with a 60ft pole.
It’s a Russian copy of facebook. Non-Russians hate it for that reason alone.
I though VK was Russian Facebook.
That’s another Russian facebook, yes.
Telegram I feel is a mix between Facebook and Twitter. It doesn’t really push far enough in either direction to be a copy paste clone.
Or Signal
/s obvs
How come?
I was being sarcastic.
I use signal. It’s not bad
If the pushback on social media doesn’t get Discord to drop these plans, then I’ll just have to delete the app.
Not caving to another app asking for Personally Identifiable Information (PII) only for this same data to be leaked months to years later.
Society will do everything to protect children aside from making better parents.
Because parenting is hard and they don’t need the working masses distracted by kids, they need them slaving away forever.
The obvious solution is architecting society such that parents have more time to parent while making enough to pay the bills, rather than exporting parenting because they can’t afford to miss work due to parenting.
You start having enough of these conversations, and it all eventually points back to capitalism and taxing the rich.
I am also leaving discord, I hated it and the people who use it a lot, but used it to connect to family members. I will find other ways.
This is the same exact cycle I went through with social media, which I also left entirely. I stopped browsing a lot of sites I used to, I took most of my personal info off the internet, and ended a lot of subscriptions.
The internet lately is feeling more and more like making end-of-life plans.
The parenting aspect is a red herring. Nothing about these policies is really to ‘protect the children’. The big tech groups have figured out that they can gate-keep … everything… and require your pii/data to get to it; and that many/most people will give up that data to keep access to their content.
That said, teaching your children about the importance of privacy is becoming as important as teaching them about other harmful online content. “Don’t trust a Nigerian prince, let me know if you’re being bullied, don’t watch porn* and don’t scan your face to get on discord”
* until you’re 18-ish, at which point go nuts, just know it’s all fake.
But… But… They pinky promise it’s all secure, and that they won’t hold any of your data! You can’t trust a pinky promise? You monster!
I hope there is a mass exodus from discord!
Where should we go? So many game dev communities are only on discord :(
IRC & Matrix
They’ll offboard too, if they know what’s good for them.
Other people have been recommending other apps and websites like Stoat and Team Speak though I am sure that a new app will use this opportunity to go viral.
I mean, let me know when it does. I’ll hang out with the Teenager Lock enabled and keep my biometrics to myself.
But there’s no point changing social media ecosystems if nobody I know is in the new site.
What is teenager lock? How can I safely engage with this stuff idek
Discord locks your account to the security level considered appropriate for a teenager.
Discord has some information about it in their press release about this:
https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-default-settings-globally
already making plans with my battle group t move to team speak 6, which is only an option because they now have screen sharing
Have you considered self hosting Matrix?
yea, but with the video streaming team speak seems better equipped for gameing, at the cost of the federated capability of martix, but i am not sure what these benefits would be
Skill issue, kid.
Good that there are alternatives but I bet that won’t last for long. More and more apps will copy this.
Or just get bought out. Discord was supposed to be the answer to Twitch getting gobbled up. Then Microsoft gobbled Discord.
Does anyone seriously believe there’s an indie third party social media site immune to a multi-million (possibly even billion) dollar buyout offer? One that won’t go the way of TikTok and be legislatively forced into sale?
i mean… i will pay the license for it, AND i have to self host it, so they have a monetary scheme that will delay the need for enshitification. but it’s 5$ or something, and reportedly has better audio quality, faster transfer rates, and lower overhead then discord. and because i am hosting it, i will have complete control over it and its white list
Good I’m still on Teamspeak 2
Remember to review bomb it immediately once this drops
My discord account is about 10 years old. Do they assume I created it as a 6 year old? Account age alone should be enough to verify I’m an adult with reasonable certainty.
They will have some kind of nebulously described “thing” that will monitor your browsing and chatting habits on discord and use that to decide your “implicit age” and I wish any of that was a joke or rumor.
They won’t just ask for your face and ID, they are also admitting that AI or something is going to be literally watching you at all times to “determine your age.”
Tell me again how we’re protecting kids? Where them Epstein prosecutions at? We save any kids yet? How about now?
Naw, they assume they can tie all your conversations to some nexus realid and sell all your groups, likes, and dislikes for cash.
Legally, they can’t be sure you didn’t sell the account, even if the email address is the same.
Not defending the policy here, it’s bullshit. But I’m simply pointing out that they have excuses to beat any logic you throw at them. Logic has nothing to do with it, so it can’t be beaten by logic either.
Selling accounts is against the TOS, surely they can’t be liable if that’s the case.
Well no, what if you have a Benjamin Button situation going on and will be too young to use Discord in a year or two?They gotta cover all their bases.
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t they got a massive leak for gov IDs last year? And they still pushing this bs?! Hello?
One of many massive security leaks!
This surely is different, right? I’m sure they learned from last time
I’m sure they’re very sowwy and have learned their lesson and your face and ID and personal, private browsing habits will be perfectly secure, and even the AI bot that will “monitor your habits to decide your implicit age” will be very quiet with all your sensitive personal details and not give it to anyone even if they ask very nicely for it.
You are not wrong.
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Discord was always an overhyped crap.
it was useful when it was new and there were no alternatives as easy to use.
Now it feels like commercialized app slop that wishes it was actual social media.
Not really. At the beginning it was amazing. It took 0 resources to run while gaming and the call quality was miles ahead, nevermind the flexibility around servers and what you could do with them.
Then, as all things, it turned to shit once ot gained market share.
One of the most predictable outcomes of anyone or anything downfall is all the idiots coming out of the woodwork to loudly proclaim that they never liked it to begin with and actually saw this coming the whole time because they are so very super smart
I mean yea… But whatever man, people can say whatever. It’s not like they’re attacking each other.
This is one of the real root causes of enshittification, particularly around privacy.
Once a product is profitable, the profit needs to be protected. That’s not really a slight against it, just a reality of capitalism. Those developers expect their jobs to persist. Middle management probably wants to keep those developers on staff. C-suite needs number-go-up to keep their jobs (fuck them, but if number-go-down then other people lose their jobs too). Adhering to regulations limits the risk of the government suing the company to oblivion.
Discord has been big enough for a while that it needs to be aware of the legal and political landscape in order to survive. This is just them limiting their risk. It will cost them customers – sort of: I’m gone, and have been since September when they updated their TOS, but I’ve also never given them any money and I’ve never seen an ad other than theirs. I’ve been nothing but a cost, so maybe good riddance?
Discord is not the enemy here. The enemy is congress/parliament and the power grabs they keep enacting. Big Tech has captured our governments and wants our data. The ‘for the children’ angle is such a trope that everyone who isn’t a potato can see through it, and we need to tell our leaders that this isn’t acceptable.
I agree with everything you said, but Discord is also an asshole itself. It could not sell out, but it did. There are plenty of projects who kept their integrity against selling out even though they could’ve generated millions
It was an embedded browser embedded website crap since i know it (since 6 years), like m$ crap
Well yes, it was, but it worked, and it was still better than everything else. I’ve been on discord for 9 years.
Embedded browsers aren’t necessarily bad design. They’re super fast to develop, and if done well, can work super efficiently. A browser can have a billion tabs open and work just fine. The same can go with an electron app given that the devs give 2 shits about optimization.
Though if the Discord team doesn’t care about optimizing the electron app, they wouldn’t give a shit about optimizing a desktop app either.
I had to run a server for work. It was right after they put in boosts. At the time, I had to buy my own fucking boosts one at a time.
The whole platform only exists because they made the api easy enough that people could build on it.
You run a Discord server for work? I thought my company using Google was crazy.
When your job has communities that spring up around it, you either get there first, where you can work with the users and help steer, or just sheepishly join in the community efforts.
There are lots and lots of companies that use discord the same way they use facebook, just a place to promote and gather “feedback” and such. They likely mean they ran the official company server, not that they use discord to chat between teams.
Although I’ve done that before too.
we fall back to IRC :)
Why not. If we’re stuck with sketchy, lawless apps for chatting we might as well go back to the OG sketchy, lawless chat app.
Using it for more than text gets to be a bit arduous. I was going to make us a matrix instance, but honestly, we kinda love it when slack explodes and we go back tot he dark ages
I only use the platform to manage my dodgy IPTV subscription. Presumably they’ll be ditching Discord as well once they realise that they need to provide ID.
There are dodgy alternatives that require nothing of the sort. :)
Would the best alternative still be something like Matrix/Element or is there something new/better out there?
The problem with these things is that it’s really hard to convince others to move to a better platform.
I am never going to convince my younger family members to change platform, they literally keep discord on 24/7 with their friends and SO’s and keep lobbies open around the clock to wander in and play games and stream and thrive in the social space.
It’s horrifically un-secure and I hate so much about the whole thing from a safety standpoint.
I will likely kill my main account and delete all my personal data and messages, for whatever good that will do, and just make a dummy account to received messages and say hi to family. Same as I did with facebook and other social media.
Back in the day before Discord, people used Teamspeak, not sure if it is still around, tho.
Teamspeak is still out there and I use it regularly. Since I’ve never cared about the posting aspect of discord they offer the exact same services.
Tom from MySpace needs to have a second coming.
SpaceHey exists, but just like the old internet moderation is a problem in that site (lots of harassing)
Dark Tom needs to rise to kick the internet’s ass and create a new, old internet that has no algorithms or bots.
I guess we would need some way to confirm the users aren’t AI or bad actors so we would need to use kind of face reco- oh, I see. We’re trapped in hell.
He’d need to come up with something new. MySpace was sold some years ago.
The general comment and title is simply untrue. They will require verification in cases of known adult or censored content, and in NSFW channels and servers. “Regular” content and spaces are untouched.
That said, I give it 6-10 months before it’s required for all users regardless of content access.
This includes a lot of harm reduction servers (especially drug related ones like the TripSit one, who help a lot of people every day and probably even save some lives), and having you need to send in your face or ID to access potentially life saving harm reduction info on illegal things is just the opposite of how harm reduction should work.
Sure, there’s still websites with these features, but discord was originally meant to be a safe space for everyone (including people who need help) and this just adds an extra barrier.
Yeah that’s definitely an issue. Realistically the only solution there is just to migrate such a community to a new home (fedi serves this need well). But admittedly one of the great boons of discord was discoverability, and that will be lost elsewhere without intervention.
They are also rolling out something like an AI that monitors your chatting and browsing habits that can determine your “implicit age” as well, this isn’t exactly shocking, but it’s gross how it’s being promoted as a handy feature.
The entire thing is a state surveillance project and yes, they are working on desensitizing the population to having no privacy or personal lives.
Sure hope our government doesn’t collapse to a fascist oligarchy or authoritarian surveillance state, sure could bite us all in the ass when the armed deathsquads get ahold of both our identifications, faces and our ideology and the names and faces of all our friends and family members.
Or would be a shame if all the people who use discord to communicate with other marginalized people suddenly had all their personal information revealed to friends, family and schools, including what chat channels and servers they visit, what games they play, who their friends are and so on.
Oh well, I’m sure the company and the government will be completely fair and transparent about all of our online identities.
You’re blatantly ignoring how these laws are actually implemented and assessing them instead by taking the lies of their authors at face value.
Note my final comment. I understand the reality.
Wouldn’t that significantly destroy their user base? Most servers I have seen it talked about the feeling seems to be not a fucking chance but we don’t use this for porn anyway.
I would love to see a popular alternative appear from this.
Queer people are pornographic according to the authors of these laws
A popular alternative only arises if you migrate to it before it’s popular. There are multiple platforms already available that resemble discord already
Yes but if I want to talk about the game Isonzo, they have a discord but not IRC.
I’m actually pretty happy that Discord is killing itself. Far too many people use it as an official platform for stuff like help forums.
Maybe lets go back to basic message boards that are actually searchable, etc.
Well there is that one nsfw forum that is VERY active. Said forum also provides a list of file hosters that have escaped enshittification.
Those guys pirate the shit out of Japanese games but official nsfw game developers sometimes go there to advertise.
Self-hosted options like Mumble also exist.
Self-hosted is a pain to get started with but as everything enshittifies if will only get more important.
As someone who doesn’t use the voice chat feature of Discord, I am always confused when people suggest things like Mumble as an alternative.
I am of the opinion that any project that uses Discord for support, I just immediately ignore.
So mad at retro tink for this…
I’m still salty about The Cutting Room Floor requiring you to log into their Discord to create an account for their website.