Ok, we want to go with logic? Because I’m telling them that from now on I don’t need their opinion, and that whatever they said is not welcome. Do you see how that works? So I’ll repeat, I don’t need your opinion either. And just to drive it home here’s a preemptive block. Get out of my face with your stupid gotchas and your half-thoughts. Like, I’m not even replying to you.
Tbh it’s fair if the quality and the (useful) amount of €/h of entertainment fits.
If it’s 75% go drive here, go deliver there from a story going for 100h and maybe 25% of it is actually exciting contetn, I’ll pass and wait for the >50% off.
You always develop games on PC. From there you create builds for PC and Consoles, but the console build step is not easily achievable. You need to go through a lot of hoops to get a game on console. Oh and you’ll spend a lot of money to get there.
And does it really make sense as a solo indie dev to release your game exclusively on one console?
Bottom line consoles intentionally don’t make it easy to publish to. PC is as easy as making an itchio account and uploading your games there.
And you may notice, I didn’t say that it was. I said I found it hard to feel empathy for PC players as they stand on a literal mountain of PC only games.
Yes and I just wanted to point out that this isn’t a choice of the devs (most of the time) but rather consoles being a walled garden.
Because I think it’s unfair to say that you shouldn’t have empathy for PC gamers just because they have so many games already. Do the 100 indie games I can buy for <5€ really make up for the inability to play GTA6 or Death Stranding 2 (early)?
Console exclusivity always hurts the consumer and is, in my opinion, a legacy practice.
If you weren’t 100% certain that GTA6 would release as a console exclusive at launch initially, you’re an idiot. This is how Rockstar has launched every game since the Xbox 360. Furthermore, I can assure you the PC release will come about a year later, and will be the buggiest mess ever launched for the first month.
And NOTHING HAS CHANGED in twenty years - yeah? Not a fucking thing that should shift how they release games. Consoles are still sooo different from PCs, with their AMD x64 CPUs and AMD RDNA GPUs.
OK but Take Two is greedy as all hell. Their previous launches taught them that gamers are willing to double-dip so why would they pass up on the opportunity to earn twice?
Well, my initial reaction was “What year is it?”. As far as I’m aware, this practice has largely fallen out of favor in the industry. And it’s been more than a decade since the last GTA release, so their stance might have changed in a similar vein, or at least their management would have likely changed.
Probably not because GTA6 is planned to release on pc so they will do most of the work beforehand and the xbox is basically a glorified stripped down windows OS.
I think I will never buy a console. They aren’t as expensive as good gaming PCs, but way to limited in their capabilities for me. Modding is very cool in many games, and almost never possible on consoles.
In addition, waiting a bit after the release is also often a good idea, since bugs will be fixed and if the game is actually shit, you will know that before buying
I honestly got tired of the “Xbox vs. PlayStation” BS they were pushing well over a decade ago. I actually bought a Nintendo Wii during that generation’s console war, because Nintendo was the only company just doing their own thing and not trying to compete for best graphics, processing power, etc.
But Nintendo consoles were limited in themselves. Nintendo doesn’t like to share their properties, and they very rarely port classics to modern systems. So if my Wii ever broke, the only way I could play my games again was to find another Wii. Even if they stopped making them; is have to find a second-hand shop and buy a used console.
I almost gave up on the gaming world, until I found Steam. Any games I buy there stay in my library forever, even if they’re removed from the store. And they emulate the original supporting hardware, so even classic games are still playable on a modern Windows 11 PC.
Thanks to Steam, I have a renewed interest in gaming and have built up a library of nearly 4,000 games over the last decade and a half.
I don’t bother with console gaming anymore. If I miss that style of gaming, I have a Razer controller plugged into my computer that I can use instead of my keyboard and mouse. If a game is exclusive to console… Oh well, maybe I’ll catch it if/when it ports to PC. But until it does, that’s a lost sale for that developer/publisher. I’m not going to feed the exclusivity BS by buying games while they’re only available on one device.
I’ve been saying, I’d really like to play Alan Wake II, but as long as it’s an Epic Games exclusive, I can’t buy it. If they want my money, they’ll have to allow it on Steam too. And since it’s owned by Epic Games, not just published by them, it’s gonna stay exclusive. So I guess I’ll never get to play that game. I don’t agree with Epic Games’ predatory practices, so I will never give them a penny of my money.
GTAVI will not be just a console exclusive, probably it will become an Epic Store exclusive on PC. There could be tons of useless discussion about what companies shoud or should not do; but in the end, companies exist only to the extend of their customer’s money.
T2 strategy paid off, becouse their customer bougt GTAV repetedtly when came on PS3 generation, then PS4, then PS4Pro, then Epic Store and etc. etc.They sold one single AAA multiple time with relatively low effort (definetly not the cost of this many AAA games): their growth was done on their customer’s stupidity, so they now employ the same exact stratgy that works on stupid people… and make money.
What is this, 2005? No one should be losing sleep over GTA6. Just more iterating over the same thing that surely was awesome more than 20 years ago, but today? They are such a victim of their own success, they can no longer afford to take the risks required to continue to innovate.
Yes, but then ask you need to do it continue to wait for a sale or reduction in price. The patient gamer life has definitely grown on me, with a few exceptions like helldivers 2
This is another of the benefits of patient gaming, avoiding the delays caused by the double-dip fishing Rockstar does with their games. For me, the last three years’ release schedules have been so stacked that they don’t leave much room for temptation or frustration with delays. I’ve always got something to play.
I understand the frustration for the diehard GTA fans, but I would have figured those people moved to console if they weren’t already.
If you don’t already have a console it isn’t worth buying. If it ever gets ported to PC you should wait a year or two for all the inevitable bugs to get worked out and possibly an upscale mod as well.
If you can’t wait that long then I’ve a hell of a real estate deal for you where that money would be better spent.
I used to think simultaneous launch was good and desired. Then the first Monster Hunter simultaneous launch happened this year and now I’m not so sure. A lot of it’s problems were forecasted by the state of Dragon’s Dogma 2 but not to such an extent, I can’t help but wonder if a delay would have helped.
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Consoles shape how games are played because of their controllers, and how we they are optimized; the aim is still 30-60 fps ffs…
We’d all be better off with PC only. Fuck consoles!
PC Master Race ✊
Yeah that was never “funny” but it’s way less funny now nazis are actually in power again.
It’s funny to me, I don’t need your opinion, thanks.
no one asked
Yes, precisely, that’s what I’m saying. Even thought I didn’t ask you either. And block.
Then why are you posting things in public? That’s the definition of wanting everyone’s opinion.
Ok, we want to go with logic? Because I’m telling them that from now on I don’t need their opinion, and that whatever they said is not welcome. Do you see how that works? So I’ll repeat, I don’t need your opinion either. And just to drive it home here’s a preemptive block. Get out of my face with your stupid gotchas and your half-thoughts. Like, I’m not even replying to you.
That’s OS based not device
Their controller, CPU and GPU are the bottleneck, not the OS.
If we aren’t OS limited then we aren’t gamepad limited because you can just use a kb/m
I mean games got slower because of controllers (think arenafps and boomer shooters).
But that’s an OS imposed limitation not a hardware imposed one
Honestly, I, personally, don’t think it is worth to purchase a console just for the game. Thus waiting is worth it.
Rumor goes that the game will be €100 on launch. So €550 for console and €100 for one game. That’s crazy.
Add to that a monthly subscription just to play online. Even crazier.
100 bucks for a game, lmao.
Surprised they didn’t skip the middle man and made it subscription only already
Tbh it’s fair if the quality and the (useful) amount of €/h of entertainment fits.
If it’s 75% go drive here, go deliver there from a story going for 100h and maybe 25% of it is actually exciting contetn, I’ll pass and wait for the >50% off.
I find it extremely hard to empathize with PC players from the mountains of PC only games that have never come to consoles.
You always develop games on PC. From there you create builds for PC and Consoles, but the console build step is not easily achievable. You need to go through a lot of hoops to get a game on console. Oh and you’ll spend a lot of money to get there.
And does it really make sense as a solo indie dev to release your game exclusively on one console?
Bottom line consoles intentionally don’t make it easy to publish to. PC is as easy as making an itchio account and uploading your games there.
And you may notice, I didn’t say that it was. I said I found it hard to feel empathy for PC players as they stand on a literal mountain of PC only games.
Yes and I just wanted to point out that this isn’t a choice of the devs (most of the time) but rather consoles being a walled garden.
Because I think it’s unfair to say that you shouldn’t have empathy for PC gamers just because they have so many games already. Do the 100 indie games I can buy for <5€ really make up for the inability to play GTA6 or Death Stranding 2 (early)?
Console exclusivity always hurts the consumer and is, in my opinion, a legacy practice.
If you weren’t 100% certain that GTA6 would release as a console exclusive at launch initially, you’re an idiot. This is how Rockstar has launched every game since the Xbox 360. Furthermore, I can assure you the PC release will come about a year later, and will be the buggiest mess ever launched for the first month.
And NOTHING HAS CHANGED in twenty years - yeah? Not a fucking thing that should shift how they release games. Consoles are still sooo different from PCs, with their AMD x64 CPUs and AMD RDNA GPUs.
OK but Take Two is greedy as all hell. Their previous launches taught them that gamers are willing to double-dip so why would they pass up on the opportunity to earn twice?
Thrice*
Well, my initial reaction was “What year is it?”. As far as I’m aware, this practice has largely fallen out of favor in the industry. And it’s been more than a decade since the last GTA release, so their stance might have changed in a similar vein, or at least their management would have likely changed.
See RDR2: No.
RDR2 pc release was 13 months later and GTA5 pc release 17 months later. I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes at least 2 years with GTA6.
Probably not because GTA6 is planned to release on pc so they will do most of the work beforehand and the xbox is basically a glorified stripped down windows OS.
I think I will never buy a console. They aren’t as expensive as good gaming PCs, but way to limited in their capabilities for me. Modding is very cool in many games, and almost never possible on consoles. In addition, waiting a bit after the release is also often a good idea, since bugs will be fixed and if the game is actually shit, you will know that before buying
I honestly got tired of the “Xbox vs. PlayStation” BS they were pushing well over a decade ago. I actually bought a Nintendo Wii during that generation’s console war, because Nintendo was the only company just doing their own thing and not trying to compete for best graphics, processing power, etc.
But Nintendo consoles were limited in themselves. Nintendo doesn’t like to share their properties, and they very rarely port classics to modern systems. So if my Wii ever broke, the only way I could play my games again was to find another Wii. Even if they stopped making them; is have to find a second-hand shop and buy a used console.
I almost gave up on the gaming world, until I found Steam. Any games I buy there stay in my library forever, even if they’re removed from the store. And they emulate the original supporting hardware, so even classic games are still playable on a modern Windows 11 PC.
Thanks to Steam, I have a renewed interest in gaming and have built up a library of nearly 4,000 games over the last decade and a half.
I don’t bother with console gaming anymore. If I miss that style of gaming, I have a Razer controller plugged into my computer that I can use instead of my keyboard and mouse. If a game is exclusive to console… Oh well, maybe I’ll catch it if/when it ports to PC. But until it does, that’s a lost sale for that developer/publisher. I’m not going to feed the exclusivity BS by buying games while they’re only available on one device.
I’ve been saying, I’d really like to play Alan Wake II, but as long as it’s an Epic Games exclusive, I can’t buy it. If they want my money, they’ll have to allow it on Steam too. And since it’s owned by Epic Games, not just published by them, it’s gonna stay exclusive. So I guess I’ll never get to play that game. I don’t agree with Epic Games’ predatory practices, so I will never give them a penny of my money.
GTAVI will not be just a console exclusive, probably it will become an Epic Store exclusive on PC. There could be tons of useless discussion about what companies shoud or should not do; but in the end, companies exist only to the extend of their customer’s money. T2 strategy paid off, becouse their customer bougt GTAV repetedtly when came on PS3 generation, then PS4, then PS4Pro, then Epic Store and etc. etc.They sold one single AAA multiple time with relatively low effort (definetly not the cost of this many AAA games): their growth was done on their customer’s stupidity, so they now employ the same exact stratgy that works on stupid people… and make money.
That just means I’ll buy GOTY edition for $5 years later if I buy it at all lol
Yup. This is how I treat exclusives.
I’ll buy it when but drops to $19.99. probably Steam summer sale 2028.
For me it’s $10.
I’ll buy it for $0 when the PS5 gets emulation in Linux, just like Bloodborne
Fitgirl repack should happen before then
What is this, 2005? No one should be losing sleep over GTA6. Just more iterating over the same thing that surely was awesome more than 20 years ago, but today? They are such a victim of their own success, they can no longer afford to take the risks required to continue to innovate.
Patience, the price will drop and the game will be just as good
Is it not releasing to PC at full price in 1-3yr?
Yes, but then ask you need to do it continue to wait for a sale or reduction in price. The patient gamer life has definitely grown on me, with a few exceptions like helldivers 2
This is another of the benefits of patient gaming, avoiding the delays caused by the double-dip fishing Rockstar does with their games. For me, the last three years’ release schedules have been so stacked that they don’t leave much room for temptation or frustration with delays. I’ve always got something to play.
I understand the frustration for the diehard GTA fans, but I would have figured those people moved to console if they weren’t already.
If you don’t already have a console it isn’t worth buying. If it ever gets ported to PC you should wait a year or two for all the inevitable bugs to get worked out and possibly an upscale mod as well.
If you can’t wait that long then I’ve a hell of a real estate deal for you where that money would be better spent.
GTA games always get ported to PC. I don’t understand why people think that VI will be any different. Y’all do this with every new release.
We’ll be playing this game on PC by Q4 2026, spring 2027 at the very latest.
Steamdeck is a console so port it.
I used to think simultaneous launch was good and desired. Then the first Monster Hunter simultaneous launch happened this year and now I’m not so sure. A lot of it’s problems were forecasted by the state of Dragon’s Dogma 2 but not to such an extent, I can’t help but wonder if a delay would have helped.
Just wait. It’ll be the same as the last one with a slightly different city.
The city shape will be the same, the signs will be different