ive had it disconnected from my win10 machine for 4 years now. broadband is not a utility and isnt likely to ever be so the expense to bring it out here in a consistently usable form is still prohibitive. those of us in the wilds of the world have to use sattelite or nothing outside of basic cell service
Isn’t that just the standard MS has had for extended security updates for long? Basically just “fuck you if you don’t want to upgrade your old ass system we’re gonna charge for maintaining that shit”
I mean I get it, though understand why people don’t want to hop to win11 but get on Linux then bitch
Tbh sounds fair. I mean keeping systems secure is not cheap task . If we can kep using w10 without all the “free AI “ shit , is not bad . I mean they will get their income from w11 from it on users… From users data. They should add windows clean with the office subscription and a not clean option . I would not say free. We are used to think that free is better, but there are a lot of time invested in development and updates. Linux free distros are not so secure, they even do a statement you have to agree to use them. that’s why companies pay Read hat .
Just what you need to know to use it. Every OS is different. How to install it, install programs, troubleshoot problems, shortcuts and things to mske life easier.
Microsoft needs to sell its software (including OS) and they’ve always done so through manufacturers.
The average user, in their mind, doesn’t care about/want/have a choice for Windows, they just went to a shop to buy a computer, Windows was just on it. So for Microsoft, a public company who’s graphs need to keep going up forever, “increasing revenue from Windows” equates to “making people buy more computers” - this, in my opinion, is why they went down the TPM route (which consumers didn’t care about), and now, the “Copilot compatible” PC (whixh users don’t care about) routes. For the shareholders, you need a new computer, not an update to your existing one.
So this is where it gets interesting - a catch 22 for Microsoft - the average user doesn’t want a new computer (the internet works fine right), but Microsoft need their graphs to go up and they don’t want to work for free… BUT they can’t afford to have “Windows” become synonymous with “viruses” again (they bothered to make Windows defender for free for this reason), so if people don’t pay up, there could be millions of virus ridden computers and everyone will look for a new laptop “but not windows again” because of the viruses…
Mac instead? Maybe, but most laptops are sold for €300, not €1000+…
Current known, “safe consumer choice” brands (OEMs) and big box retailers are and will continue to be influenced/controlled/blackmailed by Microsoft’s license pricing and legal teams to maintain the status quo on the shelves and we’ll see what plays out.
This subscription talk then is big news, not just because of the controversy surround subscriptions generally, but because this could change the shape of supply and demand in the PC market significantly.
As always there won’t be one answer for everyone, but these are some ways it could play out.
Microsoft forgets the idea
Microsoft offers a free version supported by ads
Consumers pay up, even if it takes a generation
Consumers move to Apple
Major PC manufacturers and retailers spite Microsoft terms, and offer alternative OS’s
Smaller/new PC manufacturers rise, and offer alternative OS’s
Every year is the year of the linux desktop. Sure it has just as many problems as the others but it gets better every year and I certainly never felt the same about windows. Mac I don’t have that reverse winding in my head that makes people find the apple UI’s intuitive.
I mean, this is nothing new.
People pirate extended support all the time, just look at LTSB/LTSC.
If ya dig enough you can probably find people Frankensteining patches from POSReady just so they can keep running Win7 lol
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How much for security updates for XP?
The navy pays $9million a year for xp updates
I want to meet the windows XP update team in 2024 😁
Sure they’re down the hall, next to the Cobol room.
I work with automation in manufacturing facilities on the regular. Windows CE and XP are fuckin everywhere.
My understanding is that the cost of Extended Security Updates (ESU) goes up every year.
You already paid for your OS? Too bad you’re gonna pay again.
if youre dead set to keep windows, just disconnect it from the internet.
People argue that Internet should be treated as a utility because it’s required so I’m not sure removing the Internet would really work.
ive had it disconnected from my win10 machine for 4 years now. broadband is not a utility and isnt likely to ever be so the expense to bring it out here in a consistently usable form is still prohibitive. those of us in the wilds of the world have to use sattelite or nothing outside of basic cell service
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i use mine as a bluetooth jukebox with 6000 tracks from 30s to 00s as well as an arcade machine thanks to mame 89 and 121.
Holy shit. Absolute scumbags.
Isn’t that just the standard MS has had for extended security updates for long? Basically just “fuck you if you don’t want to upgrade your old ass system we’re gonna charge for maintaining that shit”
I mean I get it, though understand why people don’t want to hop to win11 but get on Linux then bitch
Time to pirate my Windows updates
Do we get a refund when it fails prove secure?
LMFAO, as if they won’t end up piratable.
Tbh sounds fair. I mean keeping systems secure is not cheap task . If we can kep using w10 without all the “free AI “ shit , is not bad . I mean they will get their income from w11 from it on users… From users data. They should add windows clean with the office subscription and a not clean option . I would not say free. We are used to think that free is better, but there are a lot of time invested in development and updates. Linux free distros are not so secure, they even do a statement you have to agree to use them. that’s why companies pay Read hat .
At this point am gonna use linux.
This is great. Can’t wait to help everyone learn linux!
What do you actually learn about Linux? How do those two differ?
Just what you need to know to use it. Every OS is different. How to install it, install programs, troubleshoot problems, shortcuts and things to mske life easier.
Microsoft needs to sell its software (including OS) and they’ve always done so through manufacturers.
The average user, in their mind, doesn’t care about/want/have a choice for Windows, they just went to a shop to buy a computer, Windows was just on it. So for Microsoft, a public company who’s graphs need to keep going up forever, “increasing revenue from Windows” equates to “making people buy more computers” - this, in my opinion, is why they went down the TPM route (which consumers didn’t care about), and now, the “Copilot compatible” PC (whixh users don’t care about) routes. For the shareholders, you need a new computer, not an update to your existing one.
So this is where it gets interesting - a catch 22 for Microsoft - the average user doesn’t want a new computer (the internet works fine right), but Microsoft need their graphs to go up and they don’t want to work for free… BUT they can’t afford to have “Windows” become synonymous with “viruses” again (they bothered to make Windows defender for free for this reason), so if people don’t pay up, there could be millions of virus ridden computers and everyone will look for a new laptop “but not windows again” because of the viruses…
Mac instead? Maybe, but most laptops are sold for €300, not €1000+…
Current known, “safe consumer choice” brands (OEMs) and big box retailers are and will continue to be influenced/controlled/blackmailed by Microsoft’s license pricing and legal teams to maintain the status quo on the shelves and we’ll see what plays out.
This subscription talk then is big news, not just because of the controversy surround subscriptions generally, but because this could change the shape of supply and demand in the PC market significantly.
As always there won’t be one answer for everyone, but these are some ways it could play out.
Will people pay up? Will Chromebooks take over?
Or…
(Removes sunglasses)
…will 2025 be the year of the Linux desktop?
Every year is the year of the linux desktop. Sure it has just as many problems as the others but it gets better every year and I certainly never felt the same about windows. Mac I don’t have that reverse winding in my head that makes people find the apple UI’s intuitive.
lol no
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So… Torrenting security patches will be a thing? That would be a bizarre usage of torrents I have to say
I mean, this is nothing new.
People pirate extended support all the time, just look at LTSB/LTSC.
If ya dig enough you can probably find people Frankensteining patches from POSReady just so they can keep running Win7 lol