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Having not played the first game at all, this trailer looks even more ridiculous (in a bad way) than the first one did. The graphics certainly look amazing though.
I got burnt out on the first one. Pretty setting and some neat ideas aside, I do wonder how many people would be interested in a sequel to this. It wasn’t exactly gripping in story or gameplay to begin with. Though I’m happy it was made, it was something unique at least.
I personally don’t care a lot about Kojima’s games but I still think it’s absolutely great he gets to make whatever he makes because he is a unique voice in gaming!
In a sea of games as a service, mindless franchise milking and countless copycats someone like him is needed to make outlandish stuff, whether I like the games or not. Tons of people do and that’s great!
Kojima is the JJ Abrams equivalent in the game industry. Great visual execution, but absolutely horrendous story-telling that will make you wish were dumb as a piece of loaf so as to not notice it.
When Kojima made a comment that he didn’t fully understand the story himself… It sort of all made sense. It’s just connotations mashed together, beach, strand, hair, cord… A big pile of nothing to create intrigue with no payout, no mystery to reveal, just more layers of confusion. Sort of like Lost. I’m sure JJ and Kojima would get along great.
But oh boy are some of those moment exceptionally beautiful and spectacular in all its illogical absurdity. Mads Mikkelsen’s acting. Got goosebumps. But then it falls apart by revealing flaws through the fourth wall. Like did… part of this mystery hinge on the double meaning of words? Whatever the fuck was going on, it’s a little bit silly for synonyms to play an important part.
Kojima has a lot of other great tastes. Using music to create moments of excellent cinematography. Motion capture and character designs have always been fantastic. There are moments in Death Stranding that made me have to put down the controller and just. Enjoy. The same goes with Metal Gear games I grew up with. The flower field in MGS3, and forcing you to pull the trigger… The attention to detail on so many gameplay mechanics. It’s just brilliant. But, the illogical and meaningless complexity for the story and world building? That part has always been the weakest part and left a bad taste. In MGS it was confusing enough, but it had a certain charm. In DS, puuh, it’s rough.
JJ and Kojima should have nothing to do with writing storylines and plots. Imagine how much brilliant stuff we would be left with? And I never understood why. In JJs case, I suspect it’s simply decent return on investment for those who fund the movies. But from a craftsmanship perspective, it’s weird. The culmantion of work from hundreds of artists, all masters in their respective fields, and it shows, yet, it comes together to tell a story, surrounding a plot that a 14-year old might put together.
Abrams writes mystery box stories where everything hinges on resolving the box and ends up with an ultimately lackluster resolution.
Kojima stories are confusing webs within webs throughout. They exist on theme and vibe, while being simultaneously incredibly well researched, intentionally absurd, and with ill advised choices that surely mean something when they were made.
I have ~140 hours on the first game, but I’m not particularly interested in most of the content shown in this trailer. I find Kojima’s writing to be eye-rolling horrendous and cringe-worthy (I still remember this quote from the first game: “I’m fragile but not that fragile” HUH). That being said, I’m looking forward to this sequel because of the possibility of new gameplay mechanics (like that flood that wrecked the ramp). I’m excited about new weapons, vehicles, enemies and mechs! I wish the trailer has more of that instead.
Not really sure how you can roll your eyes at the dialogue from the trailer, but not from Death Stranding 1 or the Metal Gear games. This isn’t any more ridiculous than any other game he’s made.
Edit: for the record, I very much enjoy kojima games. I liked MGS games and Death Stranding 1. But there is no denying that his games are all weird as absolute fuck.
I can’t decide if Kojima is putting the acid industry out of business, because his games are enough of a trip already, or singlehandedly propping the industry up because he’s obviously consuming it all himself.
I hope it also comes to PC. I suspect I will come out after 6-12 months after the PS5 version, maybe even at the same time if I’m lucky. Unfortunately I’m never lucky.
Somehow they managed to make the game look even stranger than the first one, which I didn’t think was possible. I remember trying to watch a playthrough of the first game and it was a bit too out there for my tastes already.
I think it’s a textbook Your Mileage May Vary game (pun mildly intended if you’ve played it). You have to have the tolerance for Kojima running wild and doing his thing, and it only works if you are engaged in the core gameplay loop, but if both are true, it’s easily a 70+ hour game. The Director’s Cut was the second game I ever took the time to Platinum.
I don’t think this trailer will sell many new players on the experience if they weren’t down for the first one, but I’m excited to play the sequel. Seems like it’s going to land some real gut punches.
Really? I I couldn’t make sense of it till I played it myself. It’s pretty grounded for the most part. There’s a lot of exposition that explains everything.
Since this entire thread is just people shitting on the first game i figured id be a little different and say something good about the game. I very much liked the first one. Super weird but intriguing story super well acted awesome visuals and stunning graphics. If you like weird unique sifi stories you’ll enjoy it. Its a slow relaxing game with some pretty intense stealth. I can’t wait for the second one. Tho i do wish kojima would move on and make something more akin to metal gear plus death standing. His recent announcement the other day seems to confirm he will be doing that game after ds 2.
He’s a completely insane horny man that loves action movies. His games tend to be high quality and even when they aren’t good they are at least entertaining and try something new.
He may have gone full George Lucas at this point though where he’s so overhyped that no one second guesses him at all. Death Stranding had some weird shit even for Kojima. I wonder what he could make if his personality wasn’t so dominant in a game and it had some input from other creative visions to reign in his weirder ideas.
His stories are mostly over the top nonsense, but sometimes that’s fun. Also, for a “AAA” studio director, he’s willing to take some VERY big experimental swings when it comes to gameplay. Death Stranding has it’s problems, but it’s very unique. That’s worth some points.
He takes no more ‘experimental swings’ than hundreds of indie developers. The only difference is, his studio has the money for the marketing campaigns.
I know right? He was suddenly hyped up so much, I guess it’s one way to sell games. I’d understand if it was Miyamoto or something, but the man made Metal Gear and not everyone has even heard of that.
He was heavily pushed with geoff keighley’s the game awards partnership he made.
He was though, some people might have known his name from Metal Gear, but majority of people didnt. Then TGA and Death Stranding rolled around and suddenly we were told we should care.
The sudden surge in journalism coverage he’s gotten in the last 5+ years are because of his dramatic departure from Konami and the Metal Gear series which his name was practically synonymous with, and he struck out on his own and made his own game studio where he makes very good, high production value AAA games that are extremely unique and experimental in nature.
Like it’s perfectly understandable to not like Death Stranding because of how niche its appeal is, but the thing is the gaming industry has become such a homogenous mess of samey, formulaic, safe games. Kojima is so relevant right now because he’s now one of if not the biggest studios that’s just making games out of passion, and not just the biggest return on investment.
My normie friends who only play cod or FIFA even know what MGS is. Maybe the Fortnite generation may not remember but when mgs was new for us then teenagers it was a cool action game.
That’s true, Kojima was just supervising director on that game. But I feel the politics of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance are very typical for the series and Kojima’s games.
Metal Gear in general is very much about American Imperialism.
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Having not played the first game at all, this trailer looks even more ridiculous (in a bad way) than the first one did. The graphics certainly look amazing though.
I got burnt out on the first one. Pretty setting and some neat ideas aside, I do wonder how many people would be interested in a sequel to this. It wasn’t exactly gripping in story or gameplay to begin with. Though I’m happy it was made, it was something unique at least.
That’s true, it was definitely unique. I’m glad it was made too.
I thought nothing could possibly be too over the top or too out there for my tastes but… This might be that
I was wondering why this didn’t get any announcement at the video game awards?
I personally don’t care a lot about Kojima’s games but I still think it’s absolutely great he gets to make whatever he makes because he is a unique voice in gaming! In a sea of games as a service, mindless franchise milking and countless copycats someone like him is needed to make outlandish stuff, whether I like the games or not. Tons of people do and that’s great!
Too bad about the horrible Monster Energy product placement. It totally ruined the game for me.
Good news, they’ve been removed. They’re in-world lore accurate beers now lol.
The beers are a special drink, in the directors cut they’re replaced with Bridge’s Energy.
Even in the base (not director’s cut) version?
Not sure about that.
I found it even more immersive. What ghost wouldn’t want a monster energy fueled piss grenade thrown at them?
Jesus christ. I think there’s a lot about that game I’ve blocked out. Piss grenade was definitely one of them.
I’m looking forward to this the most! It’s going to be a long year.
Honestly I never finished the first game due to life and busyness but loved the 50 hrs in it. So excited to see this one.
Kojima is the JJ Abrams equivalent in the game industry. Great visual execution, but absolutely horrendous story-telling that will make you wish were dumb as a piece of loaf so as to not notice it.
When Kojima made a comment that he didn’t fully understand the story himself… It sort of all made sense. It’s just connotations mashed together, beach, strand, hair, cord… A big pile of nothing to create intrigue with no payout, no mystery to reveal, just more layers of confusion. Sort of like Lost. I’m sure JJ and Kojima would get along great.
But oh boy are some of those moment exceptionally beautiful and spectacular in all its illogical absurdity. Mads Mikkelsen’s acting. Got goosebumps. But then it falls apart by revealing flaws through the fourth wall. Like did… part of this mystery hinge on the double meaning of words? Whatever the fuck was going on, it’s a little bit silly for synonyms to play an important part.
Kojima has a lot of other great tastes. Using music to create moments of excellent cinematography. Motion capture and character designs have always been fantastic. There are moments in Death Stranding that made me have to put down the controller and just. Enjoy. The same goes with Metal Gear games I grew up with. The flower field in MGS3, and forcing you to pull the trigger… The attention to detail on so many gameplay mechanics. It’s just brilliant. But, the illogical and meaningless complexity for the story and world building? That part has always been the weakest part and left a bad taste. In MGS it was confusing enough, but it had a certain charm. In DS, puuh, it’s rough.
JJ and Kojima should have nothing to do with writing storylines and plots. Imagine how much brilliant stuff we would be left with? And I never understood why. In JJs case, I suspect it’s simply decent return on investment for those who fund the movies. But from a craftsmanship perspective, it’s weird. The culmantion of work from hundreds of artists, all masters in their respective fields, and it shows, yet, it comes together to tell a story, surrounding a plot that a 14-year old might put together.
Kojima isn’t JJ Abrams.
Abrams writes mystery box stories where everything hinges on resolving the box and ends up with an ultimately lackluster resolution.
Kojima stories are confusing webs within webs throughout. They exist on theme and vibe, while being simultaneously incredibly well researched, intentionally absurd, and with ill advised choices that surely mean something when they were made.
Kojima is the Richard Kelly of video games.
I have ~140 hours on the first game, but I’m not particularly interested in most of the content shown in this trailer. I find Kojima’s writing to be eye-rolling horrendous and cringe-worthy (I still remember this quote from the first game: “I’m fragile but not that fragile” HUH). That being said, I’m looking forward to this sequel because of the possibility of new gameplay mechanics (like that flood that wrecked the ramp). I’m excited about new weapons, vehicles, enemies and mechs! I wish the trailer has more of that instead.
edit: clarity
How did you play 140 hours of the first game, and not know Fragile says that same line multiple times?
What are you asking? Why would you assume they don’t know? I’m so confused.
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Not really sure how you can roll your eyes at the dialogue from the trailer, but not from Death Stranding 1 or the Metal Gear games. This isn’t any more ridiculous than any other game he’s made.
Edit: for the record, I very much enjoy kojima games. I liked MGS games and Death Stranding 1. But there is no denying that his games are all weird as absolute fuck.
You’re that ninja!
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I started Death Stranding but didn’t enjoy it. Then I looked up the story on Wikipedia and what the fuck?
Believe me it wasn’t any less jarring playing through it
To this day it is the game that I’m the least sure about whether I enjoyed it or not
I did play it to completion so that’s gotta count for something… right…?
Dude, there’s no way Death Stranding is real. I refuse to believe it. There is no way a AAA game has a “Mario and Princess Beach” line. 0% chance
It hides the best part behind the trailers. Trailers - walking simulator.
Real game. Hiking, offloading, mountain climbing, base building, rocket launches powered by human blood, sci fi/fantasy global events
George Miller? Kojima gets the most fucking random people, I swear.
Léa Seydoux seems better this time around, somehow? I wasn’t thrilled with her performance in the original game. Something always a little bit off.
I can’t decide if Kojima is putting the acid industry out of business, because his games are enough of a trip already, or singlehandedly propping the industry up because he’s obviously consuming it all himself.
Looks great! I really liked the first game!
I hope it also comes to PC. I suspect I will come out after 6-12 months after the PS5 version, maybe even at the same time if I’m lucky. Unfortunately I’m never lucky.
Usually Sony allows its exclusive on PC after 2 years Horizon, etc.).
Somehow they managed to make the game look even stranger than the first one, which I didn’t think was possible. I remember trying to watch a playthrough of the first game and it was a bit too out there for my tastes already.
I think it’s a textbook Your Mileage May Vary game (pun mildly intended if you’ve played it). You have to have the tolerance for Kojima running wild and doing his thing, and it only works if you are engaged in the core gameplay loop, but if both are true, it’s easily a 70+ hour game. The Director’s Cut was the second game I ever took the time to Platinum.
I don’t think this trailer will sell many new players on the experience if they weren’t down for the first one, but I’m excited to play the sequel. Seems like it’s going to land some real gut punches.
Really? I I couldn’t make sense of it till I played it myself. It’s pretty grounded for the most part. There’s a lot of exposition that explains everything.
That’s part of Konima’s appeal. His game stories are always over the top and out there on purpose.
Since this entire thread is just people shitting on the first game i figured id be a little different and say something good about the game. I very much liked the first one. Super weird but intriguing story super well acted awesome visuals and stunning graphics. If you like weird unique sifi stories you’ll enjoy it. Its a slow relaxing game with some pretty intense stealth. I can’t wait for the second one. Tho i do wish kojima would move on and make something more akin to metal gear plus death standing. His recent announcement the other day seems to confirm he will be doing that game after ds 2.
There were two comments above yours, both the comments above you were saying how great the game was.
Therefore I’m calling out your objectively false statement that “this entire thread is just people shitting on the first game”
You’re not as unique as you want to be
Do you feel better now?
walking simulator
I’m going to get downvoted to hell but I don’t get the hype Kojima carries.
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He’s a completely insane horny man that loves action movies. His games tend to be high quality and even when they aren’t good they are at least entertaining and try something new.
He may have gone full George Lucas at this point though where he’s so overhyped that no one second guesses him at all. Death Stranding had some weird shit even for Kojima. I wonder what he could make if his personality wasn’t so dominant in a game and it had some input from other creative visions to reign in his weirder ideas.
His stories are mostly over the top nonsense, but sometimes that’s fun. Also, for a “AAA” studio director, he’s willing to take some VERY big experimental swings when it comes to gameplay. Death Stranding has it’s problems, but it’s very unique. That’s worth some points.
DS has an apparent lack of life serviceability despite being a triple a.
He takes no more ‘experimental swings’ than hundreds of indie developers. The only difference is, his studio has the money for the marketing campaigns.
You seem to be agreeing and just repeating one of their points, but I get the impression you were trying to disagree?
Aha, yeah I realise my mistake now. I was tired so I will let myself off.
I know right? He was suddenly hyped up so much, I guess it’s one way to sell games. I’d understand if it was Miyamoto or something, but the man made Metal Gear and not everyone has even heard of that.
He was heavily pushed with geoff keighley’s the game awards partnership he made.
He wasn’t suddenly hyped. He’s been making games for a very long time and has been known as the creative force behind all of them.
He was though, some people might have known his name from Metal Gear, but majority of people didnt. Then TGA and Death Stranding rolled around and suddenly we were told we should care.
The sudden surge in journalism coverage he’s gotten in the last 5+ years are because of his dramatic departure from Konami and the Metal Gear series which his name was practically synonymous with, and he struck out on his own and made his own game studio where he makes very good, high production value AAA games that are extremely unique and experimental in nature.
Like it’s perfectly understandable to not like Death Stranding because of how niche its appeal is, but the thing is the gaming industry has become such a homogenous mess of samey, formulaic, safe games. Kojima is so relevant right now because he’s now one of if not the biggest studios that’s just making games out of passion, and not just the biggest return on investment.
My normie friends who only play cod or FIFA even know what MGS is. Maybe the Fortnite generation may not remember but when mgs was new for us then teenagers it was a cool action game.
His games have good politics, that’s something 🤷♂️
Even if chuds completely misunderstand them (senator Armstrong etc…)
I don’t think he wrote Armstrong though.
That’s true, Kojima was just supervising director on that game. But I feel the politics of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance are very typical for the series and Kojima’s games.
Metal Gear in general is very much about American Imperialism.
Yeah, Rising’s writing was pretty much on point, they really understood what the series was about even though they were cranking it up to 11.
Which is why I love it 😆
Nanomachines, son!