A former veteran Bethesda developer has cast doubt on the possibility of a Morrowind remaster in the same vein as the recently released Oblivion remaster, saying going back to play The Elder Scrolls 3 now, over 20 years after it came out, would make fans “cringe.”
Yeah, I never finished the main quest or all the factions in Skyrim. I did everything in Morrowind. That game is the most immersive game I’ve ever played. Nothing has gotten close since. Even with the shitty combat system.
Ok I did. And I’ll play it again, too. It was the best Elder Scrolls game to date.
The only thing that could make it better is updated visuals, better combat, and NPCs that actually move around and have schedules.
Oblivion and Skyrim have slightly better combat, better visuals, and NPCs that walk around. And nothing else that made Morrowind so fucking good. Let Kirkbride write more than 1 or 2 quest lines, god damn it.
Morrowind was my favorite. I couldn’t play Oblivion for more than an hour and I have tried multiple times over the years. Something about that game just bores me to death. Skyrim was good though, after getting some used to.
Same for me. In the moment I left the starting dungeon I lost all interest in exploring the world. Tried it 3 times over the years and never progressed further. I am wondering if the remake might be different and worth another try…
I heard so much good about oblivion that I really see me enjoying it.
I regret not to have played these Elder Scrolls games when they were new. These are really special games. At the time, I wasn’t a fan of western RPGs and leaned heavily into JRPGs. But man, I regret it.
JRPGs have their charm and, depending on your age, will feel a lot more relatable and “easy to get started” than most western RPGs. I don’t remember when I started caring more about WRPG over JRPG, but I think it happened when I was 17, I suspect Warcraft 3 and World of Warcraft played a significant role in that.
Morrowind is undoubtedly better today than when it was released. The thousands and thousands of mods, thundreds of mod lists, dozens of tools, and hell even the complete, open source, crossplatform reimplementation of the core game engine and its crazy good multiplayer fork, all add up to today being an even better time to experience the game and the community!
I highly recommend picking up the base game and then playing it through OpenMW, with minimal mods the first playthrough (tho unofficual bugfix patch and the like are still probably a good idea)
Ragebait headline. The guy does say that a proper remake or a new game set in the Morrowind region could be good. Just a remaster like the Oblivion remaster, with modern graphics slapped onto the original gameplay wouldn’t work too well.
The Oblivion remaster is a lot more than just modern graphics though… There are a ton of completely changed mechanics, new ones and others that are just tweaked. It’s very much not just a graphical refresh.
I would still call it virtually the same game, especially since they didn’t even bother to fix lots of awful bugs.
But I think, we can both agree that Morrowind would need a significantly larger overhaul, if you wanted to make it feel ‘modern’. You’d need voice acting. Perhaps optional quest markers. Well, and the combat system would basically need reimplementing from scratch.
Meanwhile I just got into retrogaming (as a PS1 kid) and I’m amazed by how… just all around better old games are, unless you want realistic graphics. You don’t need battle passes and daily quests to have an entertaining experience, just a d-pad and a couple of actions (one can be jump)
Everything they make new is complete shit, so they just remake the good stuff from back in the days. I mean, I get it. Bit lazy though, and what are they going to do after all the remastered editions? Re-remastering the remastered editions?
Well for him, thousands of people is basically nothing. Skyrim has sold over 60 million copies.
One of the problems with growth in popularity is a growth in expectations. A Morrowind remaster that sold even 1 million copies would be considered a failure.
If they revisit Morrowind, they need to go ALL IN on it. Keep the setting and themes but redo everything else. I love Morrowind as a world to get lost in but the combat gameplay in particular is quite bad, possibly the low point of the entire Elder Scrolls franchise.
I enjoy the combat in Oblivion, Skyrim, AND Daggerfall more than Morrowind, simply due to the feel of weapons connecting with enemies. Daggerfall probably feels the best, due to the crunchiness of it and the way you can do different types of swings in rapid succession.
The exploration stuff in Morrowind is just amazing though. Some of the dungeons are like Russian dolls of awesomeness! Also just love the music. So relaxing!
Basically, it’s a fan reimplementation of the Morrowind engine, which you feed the original game files into. It also has a number of improvements over the original, like higher resolution, higher view distance and virtually no loading times.
God, I immediately thought of Blizzard talking about how “No one wants to play Classic WoW” and yet… here we are…with like 7 versions of WoW Classic because, yes, people do want to play that shit.
I think if they did a ground-up remake/reimagining of Arena or Daggerfall, it could still be compelling. Not a simple remaster, though.
That being said, there is apparently a Unity port of Daggerfall that appears quite decent, and goes a long way towards modernizing an otherwise ancient game.
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I sure would. And I didn’t even want to play Skyrim all the way through the first time.
Yeah, I never finished the main quest or all the factions in Skyrim. I did everything in Morrowind. That game is the most immersive game I’ve ever played. Nothing has gotten close since. Even with the shitty combat system.
Ok I did. And I’ll play it again, too. It was the best Elder Scrolls game to date.
The only thing that could make it better is updated visuals, better combat, and NPCs that actually move around and have schedules.
Oblivion and Skyrim have slightly better combat, better visuals, and NPCs that walk around. And nothing else that made Morrowind so fucking good. Let Kirkbride write more than 1 or 2 quest lines, god damn it.
Morrowind was my favorite. I couldn’t play Oblivion for more than an hour and I have tried multiple times over the years. Something about that game just bores me to death. Skyrim was good though, after getting some used to.
Same for me. In the moment I left the starting dungeon I lost all interest in exploring the world. Tried it 3 times over the years and never progressed further. I am wondering if the remake might be different and worth another try… I heard so much good about oblivion that I really see me enjoying it.
I have played Morrowind many many many, many times. hell I’ve played multiplayer Morrowind a few times
Morrowind Online is one I still have to try. I fucking love Tamriel Rebuilt, and I’ve only explored a small fraction of the mainland.
I regret not to have played these Elder Scrolls games when they were new. These are really special games. At the time, I wasn’t a fan of western RPGs and leaned heavily into JRPGs. But man, I regret it.
Then there was me bouncing between Morrowind and Chrono Cross depending on who’s turn it was with the PC.
JRPGs have their charm and, depending on your age, will feel a lot more relatable and “easy to get started” than most western RPGs. I don’t remember when I started caring more about WRPG over JRPG, but I think it happened when I was 17, I suspect Warcraft 3 and World of Warcraft played a significant role in that.
Morrowind is undoubtedly better today than when it was released. The thousands and thousands of mods, thundreds of mod lists, dozens of tools, and hell even the complete, open source, crossplatform reimplementation of the core game engine and its crazy good multiplayer fork, all add up to today being an even better time to experience the game and the community!
I highly recommend picking up the base game and then playing it through OpenMW, with minimal mods the first playthrough (tho unofficual bugfix patch and the like are still probably a good idea)
The “I Heart Vanilla” pack is supposed to be good for that, I run with Just Good Morrowind, plays extremely well on the steamdeck too.
It’s still by far my favourite of the series.
Skywind is going to be the last Bethesda game I ever play lmao, get fucked
Ragebait headline. The guy does say that a proper remake or a new game set in the Morrowind region could be good. Just a remaster like the Oblivion remaster, with modern graphics slapped onto the original gameplay wouldn’t work too well.
The Oblivion remaster is a lot more than just modern graphics though… There are a ton of completely changed mechanics, new ones and others that are just tweaked. It’s very much not just a graphical refresh.
I would still call it virtually the same game, especially since they didn’t even bother to fix lots of awful bugs.
But I think, we can both agree that Morrowind would need a significantly larger overhaul, if you wanted to make it feel ‘modern’. You’d need voice acting. Perhaps optional quest markers. Well, and the combat system would basically need reimplementing from scratch.
I still play Daggerfall at least once a year. It was all downhill after Daggerfall.
Meanwhile I just got into retrogaming (as a PS1 kid) and I’m amazed by how… just all around better old games are, unless you want realistic graphics. You don’t need battle passes and daily quests to have an entertaining experience, just a d-pad and a couple of actions (one can be jump)
You can even have full 3D movement without dual analogs! Not ideal, but it works
I play it repeatedly, every few years or so. It has it’s flaws, but it’s still one of the best games ever made.
Everything they make new is complete shit, so they just remake the good stuff from back in the days. I mean, I get it. Bit lazy though, and what are they going to do after all the remastered editions? Re-remastering the remastered editions?
Nah, that’s Spiderweb Software.
Is he high? There are thousands of people still playing & modding Morrowind.
Well for him, thousands of people is basically nothing. Skyrim has sold over 60 million copies.
One of the problems with growth in popularity is a growth in expectations. A Morrowind remaster that sold even 1 million copies would be considered a failure.
If they revisit Morrowind, they need to go ALL IN on it. Keep the setting and themes but redo everything else. I love Morrowind as a world to get lost in but the combat gameplay in particular is quite bad, possibly the low point of the entire Elder Scrolls franchise.
I enjoy the combat in Oblivion, Skyrim, AND Daggerfall more than Morrowind, simply due to the feel of weapons connecting with enemies. Daggerfall probably feels the best, due to the crunchiness of it and the way you can do different types of swings in rapid succession.
The exploration stuff in Morrowind is just amazing though. Some of the dungeons are like Russian dolls of awesomeness! Also just love the music. So relaxing!
Yes, I do, and I have recently. Next question!
Maybe that’s they point, people want to play Morrowind but they don’t have a platform that can actually play it
For PC, there’s already OpenMW to do that: https://openmw.org/
Basically, it’s a fan reimplementation of the Morrowind engine, which you feed the original game files into. It also has a number of improvements over the original, like higher resolution, higher view distance and virtually no loading times.
What? You guys don’t have phones?
God, I immediately thought of Blizzard talking about how “No one wants to play Classic WoW” and yet… here we are…with like 7 versions of WoW Classic because, yes, people do want to play that shit.
Because it’s too risky. Shareholder want reliable income not a gamble. Remastering old shit is more or less guaranteed money.
Elder Scrolls 1 or 2? Abso-fucking-lutely not.
Elder Scrolls 3+? Hell yes.
Elder Scrolls 6 would be the release that I much prefer.
I think if they did a ground-up remake/reimagining of Arena or Daggerfall, it could still be compelling. Not a simple remaster, though.
That being said, there is apparently a Unity port of Daggerfall that appears quite decent, and goes a long way towards modernizing an otherwise ancient game.
The Daggerfall remake is more of a source port…. But it’s amazing.
Daggerfall needs a certain degree of modding but the source port makes it super easy to install mods for it.