And now the other shoe drops. We can see what kind of future these companies are shaping for us. Where you have to pay them a subscription fee in order to use premium hardware. While they slowly stop selling it to the public.
Changes like this are to be expected considering the fact that the average RGB Joe Doe consumer swallows everything while throwing crap at it simultaneously.
Sincerely not a subscriber that swallows everything.
You need to own the games to play them so if they turn it off then you can still use them on a different services or gaming pc…
But I guess you got a few tb on storage full of games and dont use any kind of launcher or digital marketplace, good for you to be able to afford that and yeah that makes you a non target audience.
This is one of those situations where you’re correct, but also being poopy about it. For people who don’t regularly play games or can’t afford a system, this is basically a modern blockbuster.
The reason people can’t afford a system is because NVidia is screwing with the market in the name of AI. Before that they were doing the same in the name of crypto. They’re one of the big companies manipulating politics in their favour, against the better interest of the general populace. They’re standing alongside the companies that are pushing for mass-surveillance, they’re pushing for people to lose their jobs, and for all the other nefarious ways AI is being applied.
But at least we can ignore our culpability and blame a computer when it decides to bomb a bus of brown school kids on the other side of the planet now, I guess.
I’m not sure I entirely buy that. For cloud gaming to be any good at all, you need a high-speed, low-latency internet connection. Yes, nowadays having an internet connection is pretty much a requirement in the industrialised world and even someone of lesser means will probably have one good enough to watch streaming video at a decent enough quality (unless they live in the middle of nowhere), but that’s not good enough. So with the expensive internet connection and the monthly subscription, cloud gaming doesn’t strike me as a very economical.
We’ve also been living in a period of diminishing returns when it comes to visual fidelity improving as hardware power does for a while now, so you can buy older, more affordable hardware and still have games look great on them. Meanwhile, I don’t think someone who insists on being able to see the surroundings accurately reflected in every window and puddle is going to accept the compression artifacts and latency of cloud gaming.
I agree but we have barely seen anything of what cloud gaming will become. Platforms like Steam will introduce it too. Especially after the Steam Machine is turning out to be such a headache for them because of uncertain hardware prices. This will happen and I am very afraid a lot of users will welcome it with open arms. We could be witnessing the end of home computers right now.
I’m not calling them out for their bullshit, but my GPUs are onboard M2 and M2 Pro Apple Silicon chips. I’m a Mac user. I think my Xbox Series X uses an AMD GPU. I didn’t choose it. My Switch has CPU/GPU technology by Nvidia. The original Switch was just a modded Nvidia Shield tablet and it originally ran Android (before it was released, I mean, the prototype did). Or it was rumoured to. I forget. My last Windows computer used an AMD GPU.
So as a Mac user, I’m actually a good candidate for GeForce Now. Mac guys tend to hate it because it’s not taking advantage of the actual Apple chip, but if you’re a gamer, you game where you can, how you can, when you can.
From what I understand about this subscription (I never looked into it before) it’s basically like a reverse Game Pass? So you pay the monthly subscription, and you can play the games that are on the service, on different devices aside from just a PC?
While that does sound pretty cool and impressive, I can’t imagine most people, or most anyone that calls themselves a gamer would touch this service with a 20’ pole. Like at that point, just own the game and system you want. You can play whenever and for however long you want.
Also, this may sound weird, but after reading the article I have a strong urge to start a game and just let it run idle, racking up playtime. Out of spite for Nvidia I guess.
You’re really just renting hardware. You own all your games and they aren’t tied to that service. The appeal is to play PC games without being on the perpetual hardware upgrade hamster wheel.
damn finally someone on the same page as me. we used to own things, now they’re being rented to us at a premium.
companies are returning us to mainframe infrastructure so they can rent it out at the most optimized-price-gouging fashion. nvidia’s just hedging their bets for when their taint-guzzling ai gambit inevitably splatters into the irrevocable shards of what’s left of the US economy.
That too. Even though my Game Pass has been cancelled and I haven’t had Xbox Live in a couple years, I can also still go into the Xbox PC app, install any game that I’ve bought that’s also PC compatible or stream whatever I own that isn’t (but still has cloud workability).
It’s how I’ve been playing Halo Wars 2 lately. And I’ve seen the Fable games are cloud compatible, but I haven’t tried those on PC yet.
Yeah I do this because I don’t want to spend $$$ upgrading my rig and I don’t have as much free time to justify hardware costs.
The paid plans start at $10/month. So $10/month to have hardware capabilities to play new games isnt bad. And if you want to divide it by hours additionally its $0.10/hour…
Between work, marriage, yard work, working out, and taking care of dogs, I’m lucky to get 10 hours a week and I make time for it as it’s my primary hobby. How do other adults get 50+ hours online?!
yeah I’m literally unemployed and gaming is my primary hobby. I have NEVER hit 100hrs on GFN and I’ve been using it for years. I may not have a job, but I do have a life outside of games. I can’t imagine someone who has both that has more than 100 hours of free time to game.
I wonder if there’s some metric they’re going off of where the majority of the subscriber base only plays less than 100hrs and the “abusers” or whales play over the 100hr mark.
100hr / 30 days is 3.3 hours a day. Which as a father of two… I’d be lucky to get that much in a day.
100hr / 20 days(5 days a week) is 5 hours a day.
100hr / 8 days (weekends only gaming) is 12.5 hours a day.
None of these are outrageous and probably are the “average” user of the service.
Now if you’re doing 8 or 12 hours a day for 30 days, that’s 240-360 hours a month. Which is pretty much gaming full time.
I think 100 hours is a weird number to land on. I think 120 hours makes more sense (4 hours a day over 30 days).
I do expect Nvidia to lower the hours over time. Expect to see 80 hours or 50 hours soon IMO.
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First time I heard of this saas
Oh come on! I could get through that in just over four days.
I prefer buying Nvidia stock instead of their offerings
Next up is rentable GPUs with a subscription. You’ll eventually own nothing
I mean, that exists. Just not for gaming specifically
And now the other shoe drops. We can see what kind of future these companies are shaping for us. Where you have to pay them a subscription fee in order to use premium hardware. While they slowly stop selling it to the public.
Changes like this are to be expected considering the fact that the average RGB Joe Doe consumer swallows everything while throwing crap at it simultaneously.
Sincerely not a subscriber that swallows everything.
That’s better than what I heard earlier. The article o read the other day made it sound like it would buy the next block of 15 hours
Remember, you’re borrowing their hours from AI data centers, and AI takes precedence. Don’t use this service
Don’t pay for this shit. It’s another case of “you’ll own nothing and stop fucking complaining, peasant.”
Wut? Its a streaming service like Netflix and you own the games…
If they can turn off your ability to play the games you don’t own them
You need to own the games to play them so if they turn it off then you can still use them on a different services or gaming pc… But I guess you got a few tb on storage full of games and dont use any kind of launcher or digital marketplace, good for you to be able to afford that and yeah that makes you a non target audience.
exactly
This is one of those situations where you’re correct, but also being poopy about it. For people who don’t regularly play games or can’t afford a system, this is basically a modern blockbuster.
Yeah, I’ll own that.
The reason people can’t afford a system is because NVidia is screwing with the market in the name of AI. Before that they were doing the same in the name of crypto. They’re one of the big companies manipulating politics in their favour, against the better interest of the general populace. They’re standing alongside the companies that are pushing for mass-surveillance, they’re pushing for people to lose their jobs, and for all the other nefarious ways AI is being applied.
But at least we can ignore our culpability and blame a computer when it decides to bomb a bus of brown school kids on the other side of the planet now, I guess.
Zero disagreement with any of that. It’s a violent, brutal, racist, greedy, cyberpunk dystopia out there.
Burn it all dowm. 🔥🇺🇸🔥
Where are all the renegade hackers sticking it to the man?
Actually, now that I think about, big companies and governments are getting hacked all the time. Which is cool.
For a long time, it was Ukraine. They’re busy with something else now, for some reason
I’m not sure I entirely buy that. For cloud gaming to be any good at all, you need a high-speed, low-latency internet connection. Yes, nowadays having an internet connection is pretty much a requirement in the industrialised world and even someone of lesser means will probably have one good enough to watch streaming video at a decent enough quality (unless they live in the middle of nowhere), but that’s not good enough. So with the expensive internet connection and the monthly subscription, cloud gaming doesn’t strike me as a very economical.
We’ve also been living in a period of diminishing returns when it comes to visual fidelity improving as hardware power does for a while now, so you can buy older, more affordable hardware and still have games look great on them. Meanwhile, I don’t think someone who insists on being able to see the surroundings accurately reflected in every window and puddle is going to accept the compression artifacts and latency of cloud gaming.
I agree but we have barely seen anything of what cloud gaming will become. Platforms like Steam will introduce it too. Especially after the Steam Machine is turning out to be such a headache for them because of uncertain hardware prices. This will happen and I am very afraid a lot of users will welcome it with open arms. We could be witnessing the end of home computers right now.
Show of hands, how many if you calling nvidia out for their bullshit are running nvidia GPUs?
Am I allowed to call them out if I’m running a 1080Ti that I got second hand?
I’m not calling them out for their bullshit, but my GPUs are onboard M2 and M2 Pro Apple Silicon chips. I’m a Mac user. I think my Xbox Series X uses an AMD GPU. I didn’t choose it. My Switch has CPU/GPU technology by Nvidia. The original Switch was just a modded Nvidia Shield tablet and it originally ran Android (before it was released, I mean, the prototype did). Or it was rumoured to. I forget. My last Windows computer used an AMD GPU.
So as a Mac user, I’m actually a good candidate for GeForce Now. Mac guys tend to hate it because it’s not taking advantage of the actual Apple chip, but if you’re a gamer, you game where you can, how you can, when you can.
EVGA 1080Ti owner here. Definitely not happy with the way NVidia has been acting for a while.
The loss of EVGA GPUs was already tragic enough because of NVidia. Now their recent actions? Not happy.
raises hand
I bought my GPU 6 years ago tho. My steam deck is amd. And my next gou will be amd also.
I’m not sure how close they are and how their familial relationship affects things but the CEOs of both companies are related.
Oh boy. Didn’t know this.
All family has drama though… Right?.. Right?
From what I understand about this subscription (I never looked into it before) it’s basically like a reverse Game Pass? So you pay the monthly subscription, and you can play the games that are on the service, on different devices aside from just a PC?
While that does sound pretty cool and impressive, I can’t imagine most people, or most anyone that calls themselves a gamer would touch this service with a 20’ pole. Like at that point, just own the game and system you want. You can play whenever and for however long you want.
Also, this may sound weird, but after reading the article I have a strong urge to start a game and just let it run idle, racking up playtime. Out of spite for Nvidia I guess.
Yeah its for casual gamers, you can play on phone, iPad, mac etc comfortably
You’re really just renting hardware. You own all your games and they aren’t tied to that service. The appeal is to play PC games without being on the perpetual hardware upgrade hamster wheel.
damn finally someone on the same page as me. we used to own things, now they’re being rented to us at a premium.
companies are returning us to mainframe infrastructure so they can rent it out at the most optimized-price-gouging fashion. nvidia’s just hedging their bets for when their taint-guzzling ai gambit inevitably splatters into the irrevocable shards of what’s left of the US economy.
Game Pass also lets you do this via cloud play.
That too. Even though my Game Pass has been cancelled and I haven’t had Xbox Live in a couple years, I can also still go into the Xbox PC app, install any game that I’ve bought that’s also PC compatible or stream whatever I own that isn’t (but still has cloud workability).
It’s how I’ve been playing Halo Wars 2 lately. And I’ve seen the Fable games are cloud compatible, but I haven’t tried those on PC yet.
That’s. 3.33 hours/day. That’s a whole lot of playtime…
Yeah I do this because I don’t want to spend $$$ upgrading my rig and I don’t have as much free time to justify hardware costs.
The paid plans start at $10/month. So $10/month to have hardware capabilities to play new games isnt bad. And if you want to divide it by hours additionally its $0.10/hour…
Yeah I mean it makes a whole lot of sense if you have the connection to support it, in my opinion.
Yeah I pay for Fiber Internet where I am. And unfortunately I only have time to play except for weekends.
Maybe for dad gamers.
Dude I’m lucky if I get 3 free hours a week! And I’m not even a Dad! What’re you guys doing with your lives!?
Playing games it seems.
Between work, marriage, yard work, working out, and taking care of dogs, I’m lucky to get 10 hours a week and I make time for it as it’s my primary hobby. How do other adults get 50+ hours online?!
By neglecting (or not having) all these things due to their addiction to video games.
Don’t have a yard, don’t get a dog, don’t work out, don’t be married etc
That makes me both jealous and sad for them at the same time.
For now…
“It’s twice the price now, or the same price for 55h”
Wasn’t it 50 h before? So now 2x as much? No need to be anti someone based on prejudice alone.
yeah I’m literally unemployed and gaming is my primary hobby. I have NEVER hit 100hrs on GFN and I’ve been using it for years. I may not have a job, but I do have a life outside of games. I can’t imagine someone who has both that has more than 100 hours of free time to game.
I wonder where they got 100hr?
I wonder if there’s some metric they’re going off of where the majority of the subscriber base only plays less than 100hrs and the “abusers” or whales play over the 100hr mark.
100hr / 30 days is 3.3 hours a day. Which as a father of two… I’d be lucky to get that much in a day.
100hr / 20 days(5 days a week) is 5 hours a day.
100hr / 8 days (weekends only gaming) is 12.5 hours a day.
None of these are outrageous and probably are the “average” user of the service.
Now if you’re doing 8 or 12 hours a day for 30 days, that’s 240-360 hours a month. Which is pretty much gaming full time.
I think 100 hours is a weird number to land on. I think 120 hours makes more sense (4 hours a day over 30 days).
I do expect Nvidia to lower the hours over time. Expect to see 80 hours or 50 hours soon IMO.
I wish I could hit 100 hours of playtime a month.
Still cheaper than buying a gaming PC by far.
Yep. All this outrage, but 100 is a lot of time. I’d consider it if the picture quality wasn’t terribly bad in my region.
Destiny players looking nervous
Got kids?
And a spouse who wants together time. Also other hobbies than gaming.
The only thing I consistently do over a 100 hours a month is sleep 😅
Have you considered local 2 player games?
Aye, same. Should hope you’re getting more than 100 hours of sleep!
Second highest is work. Boo.
That’s nice.
Use Boosteroid instead.
Fuck NVIDIA.
Hey! Thanks for providing another option for me to check out! Appreciate