Unless Bethesda manages to speed up production massively, I am not even fully convinced Fallout 5 will see the light of day while Todd has anything to do with it still.
While its disastrous launch is legendary, I believe Fallout 76 has finally outgrown its bad reputation. I purchased it on sale a few years ago and ultimately sank hundreds of surprisingly enjoyable hours into Appalachia.
It reminds me of No Man’s Sky - a testament to a development team that listened, worked tirelessly, and transformed a broken foundation into a stable, polished, and content-rich experience. I don’t recall ever spending an additional penny on the game either, so for the price of a coffee, it stands as one of my best value-for-money gaming purchases.
TV show isn’t on any different trajectory than Fallout has been since Fallout 2. Ya it’s still a big jump in goofiness from 2 to Bethesda 3. But fallout 4 to TV show, that’s not huge leap into over reliance on 50s commercial aesthetic and goofiness and snark. I’d be more worried about elder scrolls 6. Skyrim didn’t dump out weird lore like oblivion which also had less weird lore than morrowind. Still solid though. Post Fallout 4, 76, Starfield, Fallout TV - I can see the next elder scrolls being a big up in goofiness for entertainment over weird lore that’s entertaining. Like lots of “until I took an arrow to the knee” attempts at meme-able characters
“Alright Michael, we’re going to leave you alone to write in peace. There’s food and drinks in the fridge, and a small mountain of psychedelics in the cupboard.”
I’ve been playing BGS since Oblivion, and my experience was:
76 was boring, even with coop. That’s saying something. The world was interesting, but the main and side (fetch) quests were the dullest, buggiest things that kept trying to sell us some anti grind stuff; and this was well after launch.
Starfield was… well, even more boring. It felt like Fallout 3 with all the jank, 10X the production budget, 100X the graphics requirements (as smooth as a cactus on my 3090), yet somehow, none of the charm. I only played for a bit, but I don’t remember a single character name. Whereas I can still recall little side quests from Oblivion and FO3. Quirks persisted all the way from Oblivion, yet all the fun bugs were patched out. Basically, ME: Andromeda was better in every way.
But, you know, whatever floats peoples boats. I’m curious if these games have grown a following over whatever I was missing.
I recently picked up Fallout 4. My first Bethesda game, I’m a seasoned gamer, and just got a new PC. It honestly was the most unpleasant gaming experience I can remember. Surely, if this is my fourth time dying trying to leave this area that I got stuck in surrounded by high unkillable monsters, my loading screen will take less than a minute, right? My computer can run Control at 144fps, but can’t load all of Fallout 4’s shades of brown before I get bored.
To be blunt: were you holding it wrong? Was the game on an HDD? Did you tweak the inis in a dangerous way?
It’s been ages since I played FO4. It was janky for sure. But it seemed to run okay, and load fast, on a toaster compared to what I have now. And I never had a loading screen last close to a minute.
Starfield was a whole nother level, though. It felt like a game trying to look like 2077, but with the engine “feel” of something from 2006.
I tried playing fallout 76 when it launched. I care about story or having fun with friends, and it failed on both fronts spectacularly.
It didn’t offer any of the interactive story that I was expecting from (having watched) the previous entries because you were forced to play on a server, but it also didn’t commit to co-op content because you might not have friends.
It’s a few games and one season of a show (yes I know the second one started, but we’re only one episode in). It’s nowhere near the amount of bullshittery that is the MCU or Disney Star Wars.
I mean the Fallout show is honestly giving great. Imo you should at least give it a chance. Especially if you’re even a tiny bit of a fan of the games.
It’s all still based on a video game though. Fallout was never a show first so it’s not “based off a TV show”
Idk I kind of wanted a clean slate since its been so long. I’d rather the writers of the main medium be free creatively and tie in properties can worry about tying in. I do get what you are saying though. And to add to that, I wouldn’t mind seeing like The Ghouls hat somewhere. But I can’t say I’d be excited if the show characters themselves were also featured and voiced in the game. I wouldnt write it off for that but it wouldnt excite me.
He didn’t say anything about reusing characters from the show at all. The article merely imparted that the show is part of the game universe and will see the same treatment that past Fallout games have gotten. IE, the events of the game happened (with canon choices) and will probably be referenced in future games.
Fallout New Vegas canonized choices in Fallout 2. Fallout 2 canonized choices in Fallout 1. This is how all the games have gone. Should New Vegas not exist because it isn’t New Reno or Vault City as factions instead of the NCR. Should they not have made Fallout 2 since it invalidates certain choices in Fallout 1?
I don’t like the show doing away with the NCR but that is the choices made by the people in charge of the story and I liked the show despite it basically going against 3 games worth of build up and choices I made. At the end of the day, not everything is about me.
Does it really bother people that there’s a Canon ending to a game with multiple choices? Certainly doesn’t bother me. Of course they’re going to have to pick a cannon ending eventually if they want to keep making more games.
They dont have to. They could make these games take place anywhere in the world far away from the strip. But as another user replied to me, they want the money because an exec thinks Fallout show popular so we’ll say its around that.
It’s like getting upset over the free choice in Knights of The Old Republic. It’s a story that technically by movie POV, should have already happened exactly as it did in the history books, yet in-game we can do whatever the hell we want, up to killing pretty much whoever we want and just running purely dark side. Technically, we shouldn’t be able to make our own choices and it should be a very linear game; but that’s not what the developers wanted to do.
Listen, fallout always has winks to other fallout games. Sometimes a character from an old game has a side quest in the new one. Sometimes you are the descendant of your original character. The fucking shit I was saying was the setting needs to be fresh, and any inclusions of other fallout games should be kept to the traditional minimum and not be the focus. Thats what the fuck I meant. You intentionally missing my point so you can be angry is on you. But I already said I’m disengaging so I’m gonna follow my instance rules and not respond since you dont want to have a good faith discussion you want to hurl insults.
Setting criticism of BGS aside, Fallout isn’t as “hard” with its lore as some. There are little inconsistencies between the games and other media that are basically written off as “gameplay mechanics things” or simple oversights.
…Hence there will probably be conflicts with the TV show. But that’s fine. It’s nothing earth shattering for the IP.
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Unless Bethesda manages to speed up production massively, I am not even fully convinced Fallout 5 will see the light of day while Todd has anything to do with it still.
After Fallout 76 and Starfield, I have little faith remaining in Bethesda
While its disastrous launch is legendary, I believe Fallout 76 has finally outgrown its bad reputation. I purchased it on sale a few years ago and ultimately sank hundreds of surprisingly enjoyable hours into Appalachia.
It reminds me of No Man’s Sky - a testament to a development team that listened, worked tirelessly, and transformed a broken foundation into a stable, polished, and content-rich experience. I don’t recall ever spending an additional penny on the game either, so for the price of a coffee, it stands as one of my best value-for-money gaming purchases.
TV show isn’t on any different trajectory than Fallout has been since Fallout 2. Ya it’s still a big jump in goofiness from 2 to Bethesda 3. But fallout 4 to TV show, that’s not huge leap into over reliance on 50s commercial aesthetic and goofiness and snark. I’d be more worried about elder scrolls 6. Skyrim didn’t dump out weird lore like oblivion which also had less weird lore than morrowind. Still solid though. Post Fallout 4, 76, Starfield, Fallout TV - I can see the next elder scrolls being a big up in goofiness for entertainment over weird lore that’s entertaining. Like lots of “until I took an arrow to the knee” attempts at meme-able characters
All they really need to do for ES6 is bring Michael Kirkbride back and let him run wild with the lore.
“Alright Michael, we’re going to leave you alone to write in peace. There’s food and drinks in the fridge, and a small mountain of psychedelics in the cupboard.”
Do folks enjoy Starfield these days?
Or 76?
I’ve been playing BGS since Oblivion, and my experience was:
76 was boring, even with coop. That’s saying something. The world was interesting, but the main and side (fetch) quests were the dullest, buggiest things that kept trying to sell us some anti grind stuff; and this was well after launch.
Starfield was… well, even more boring. It felt like Fallout 3 with all the jank, 10X the production budget, 100X the graphics requirements (as smooth as a cactus on my 3090), yet somehow, none of the charm. I only played for a bit, but I don’t remember a single character name. Whereas I can still recall little side quests from Oblivion and FO3. Quirks persisted all the way from Oblivion, yet all the fun bugs were patched out. Basically, ME: Andromeda was better in every way.
But, you know, whatever floats peoples boats. I’m curious if these games have grown a following over whatever I was missing.
I recently picked up Fallout 4. My first Bethesda game, I’m a seasoned gamer, and just got a new PC. It honestly was the most unpleasant gaming experience I can remember. Surely, if this is my fourth time dying trying to leave this area that I got stuck in surrounded by high unkillable monsters, my loading screen will take less than a minute, right? My computer can run Control at 144fps, but can’t load all of Fallout 4’s shades of brown before I get bored.
To be blunt: were you holding it wrong? Was the game on an HDD? Did you tweak the inis in a dangerous way?
It’s been ages since I played FO4. It was janky for sure. But it seemed to run okay, and load fast, on a toaster compared to what I have now. And I never had a loading screen last close to a minute.
Starfield was a whole nother level, though. It felt like a game trying to look like 2077, but with the engine “feel” of something from 2006.
I tried playing fallout 76 when it launched. I care about story or having fun with friends, and it failed on both fronts spectacularly.
It didn’t offer any of the interactive story that I was expecting from (having watched) the previous entries because you were forced to play on a server, but it also didn’t commit to co-op content because you might not have friends.
What a waste.
76 seems to be pretty popular nowadays. Starfield not so much.
RIP Fallout got MCUed, can’t enjoy it unless you spend all your waking hours consooming
Huh?
It’s a few games and one season of a show (yes I know the second one started, but we’re only one episode in). It’s nowhere near the amount of bullshittery that is the MCU or Disney Star Wars.
That’s fair. I just don’t really like my media to be based off TV shows I don’t watch. Probably not as bad as the MCU situation though to be fair.
I mean the Fallout show is honestly giving great. Imo you should at least give it a chance. Especially if you’re even a tiny bit of a fan of the games.
It’s all still based on a video game though. Fallout was never a show first so it’s not “based off a TV show”
Fallout died a long time ago.
Why?
Because 76 got a boost after the first season came out and they’d like to keep that cross promotion going
Why not?
Seriously, when we want shows/movies to connect to games, why do people get mad when it’s reciprocal?
Idk I kind of wanted a clean slate since its been so long. I’d rather the writers of the main medium be free creatively and tie in properties can worry about tying in. I do get what you are saying though. And to add to that, I wouldn’t mind seeing like The Ghouls hat somewhere. But I can’t say I’d be excited if the show characters themselves were also featured and voiced in the game. I wouldnt write it off for that but it wouldnt excite me.
He didn’t say anything about reusing characters from the show at all. The article merely imparted that the show is part of the game universe and will see the same treatment that past Fallout games have gotten. IE, the events of the game happened (with canon choices) and will probably be referenced in future games.
Except the show fucks up our choices in New Vegas and doesnt leave it up to us anymore.
Fallout New Vegas canonized choices in Fallout 2. Fallout 2 canonized choices in Fallout 1. This is how all the games have gone. Should New Vegas not exist because it isn’t New Reno or Vault City as factions instead of the NCR. Should they not have made Fallout 2 since it invalidates certain choices in Fallout 1?
I don’t like the show doing away with the NCR but that is the choices made by the people in charge of the story and I liked the show despite it basically going against 3 games worth of build up and choices I made. At the end of the day, not everything is about me.
Does it really bother people that there’s a Canon ending to a game with multiple choices? Certainly doesn’t bother me. Of course they’re going to have to pick a cannon ending eventually if they want to keep making more games.
They dont have to. They could make these games take place anywhere in the world far away from the strip. But as another user replied to me, they want the money because an exec thinks Fallout show popular so we’ll say its around that.
It’s like getting upset over the free choice in Knights of The Old Republic. It’s a story that technically by movie POV, should have already happened exactly as it did in the history books, yet in-game we can do whatever the hell we want, up to killing pretty much whoever we want and just running purely dark side. Technically, we shouldn’t be able to make our own choices and it should be a very linear game; but that’s not what the developers wanted to do.
Same thing with Fallout.
So you want the new Fallout game…
To not be a fallout game?
How many have you even played? They’ve all referenced each other, and even FO1 referenced Wasteland.
The series has quite literally never in its entire existence been a “clean slate”
Yeah you know thats not what I meant at all. I’m disengaging.
So…
You didn’t learn anything at all, and are gonna stay ignorant and upset.
Weird choice, but you do you I guess.
Listen, fallout always has winks to other fallout games. Sometimes a character from an old game has a side quest in the new one. Sometimes you are the descendant of your original character. The fucking shit I was saying was the setting needs to be fresh, and any inclusions of other fallout games should be kept to the traditional minimum and not be the focus. Thats what the fuck I meant. You intentionally missing my point so you can be angry is on you. But I already said I’m disengaging so I’m gonna follow my instance rules and not respond since you dont want to have a good faith discussion you want to hurl insults.
You should have done that I guess…
They said… In their response…
No one did that, you might have replied to the wrong person
The show is so much better written than the Bethesda games that this can only be a positive for them.
I found New Vegas, F3 and F4 to be perfectly fine writing. In fact I have enjoyed all the references to the previous games, F1 and 2 included.
Setting criticism of BGS aside, Fallout isn’t as “hard” with its lore as some. There are little inconsistencies between the games and other media that are basically written off as “gameplay mechanics things” or simple oversights.
…Hence there will probably be conflicts with the TV show. But that’s fine. It’s nothing earth shattering for the IP.
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I won’t care if the game is bad: Don’t fuck this up Todd!