Since they have competitive online multiplayer an anti-cheat is needed, otherwise the MP turns into a hellhole of cheaters. As much as I wish that this wasn’t the case.
This seems really promising. Unfortunately, I expect they’ll still use Steam DRM, but everything I’ve heard so far is immensely promising so who know, maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll skip even that.
Modder here. Denuvo has absolutely no effect on modding. Steam DRM checks the integrity of the executable and also crashes on breakpoints. That said, it’s easy to remove with Steamless. Memory hacks work fine.
Edit: However, Space Marine 2 is going to use EAC, which is a kernel-level anti-cheat which prevents any modding short of utilizing or creating private hacks that may involve rogue system drivers.
Dammit, EAC may be an issue on Linux though. It’s kinda hit or miss whether a given developer will take the extra steps, particularly given the conflicting sources on just how complex it actually is. According to Valve, it’s a checkbox and dropping a file in your depot. Others claim it would require an Epic Online Services version of EAC, with all the baggage that carries, including potentially rewriting a whole chunk of your code.
I had read they have confirmed the game will be coming to steam deck shortly after, so I assume this will be working on Linux day one.
I play on Linux and enjoy Warhammer so will be purchasing this game with that assumption.
Hard disagree on denuvo. If it’s no problem for you then you must have tons of experience in re. Which puts you into some 1%-ish group. Depends on the type of mods you do of course.
I do have the experience but if you attach a debugger to a non-Denuvo or a Denuvo game, then have any hacker/modder come into the room and look at the code, manipulate it or inject new code, they won’t notice the difference or face any obstacles.
Of course. Doesn’t mean its not nice to be able to avoid it though. Personally, it will have no real impact on my purchasing decision, but the less DRM, the better.
You seem to not trust anyone except the person who wrote the article and just literally made up that part to add. That’s the only part you have faith in?
Yes, the part the writer made up. Either they share the concerns that we see a repeat of the Helldivers 2 fun, or they reacted to an article earlier with that wording. Doesn’t matter, as I cannot see the future, I have to guess. I communicated that guess.
You seem awfully aggressive to people that don’t share your view and dare to step into your line of sight. Do you always trust the official statements?
No, but I trust what a person says themselves more than another person making assumptions based off what they said. Concerns and guesses are not valid when the person has said No very clearly. Unless your stance is “trust no one about anything” then this seems a little extreme.
You’re saying your guess has more validity than what they’re saying, and they have a very clear answer. So I’ll ask an equally silly question of you, do you always value your guess over what the sources say?
You mean the “at launch” part that the writer added to the article and isn’t a part of the official Saber statement? Something you’d know if you read the article past the introductory paragraph?
I’m sharing my distrust in the communication to the players based on shit that happened in the past. But thanks for the personal attack disguised as concern.
That sounds like something I can see them do. Engage the haters (me, when talking about denuvo) with the bright minded people that weren’t tricked often enough, for more publicity.
Oh man, I was going to wishlist it and wait but now I’ll have to buy it on launch week.
EDIT: Sabre Interactive understands that the Emperor’s light shields the faithful, making dark machine rites like Denuvo unnecessary. Such heretical rites only agitate the machine spirits, causing discordant whispers that play into the hands of the enemies of Man. The Omnissiah smiles upon this decision.
I still strongly dislike limiting cosmetics so much, especially in a setting where they can mean so much. Darktide’s $20 skins pissed me right off: role-playing is 100% part of the game and that price is absurd.
Honestly, fair criticism, as it is still a $60 game and in my old timer’s brain that means everything should be unlockable through gameplay. Unfortunately, that’s just not how the market seems to work anymore, so I’ll just be glad their extra monetization is only limited to cosmetics and not gameplay stuff as well.
It’s like booking a hotel: Basic price will get you a room for the night, with all the common amenities, but if you want late checkout, you’ll pay extra. Sure, they could fold that into the basic price and make it the norm, but if you know you’ll leave early anyway, you’ll be paying for something you don’t want.
The metaphor breaks apart if you look too closely - for hotels, early checkout is a convenience since they can get the room ready sooner for the next guest, so they’ll incentivise that, while the devs have already put in the work. On the other hand, the late checkout is a service of convenience while a DLC is an excitement feature, where the content is instead an incentive to pay more.
Either way, I feel like add-ons for games aren’t too different from add-ons in many other industries: “This is the basic <thing>, with the price we feel we can charge for it. This here is an extra you can have for an extra charge.”
But if you don’t pay for late checkout, you can still check out. If you don’t pay for extra DLC, you just don’t get to use whatever is in the DLC full stop
If you don’t pay for late checkout, you can’t check out late. If you don’t pay for the DLC, you can’t play the DLC. You can still check out at the normal time (which is the basic service) or play the base game, respectively.
Factorio did it perfectly. Developed a game and when it was finished 1.0 went yes that is the game state we want. Went 5 years into hiding, came back with a massive DLC, but the quality of life stuff and engine improvements all get pushed to the base game.
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They are going to use EAC though, which is arguably an even worse inclusion than Denuvo, even if it’s not a DRM
Since they have competitive online multiplayer an anti-cheat is needed, otherwise the MP turns into a hellhole of cheaters. As much as I wish that this wasn’t the case.
Yes, but there is no need to go for a ring0 anticheat
This seems really promising. Unfortunately, I expect they’ll still use Steam DRM, but everything I’ve heard so far is immensely promising so who know, maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll skip even that.
Steam DRM is nothing like stuff people should be aware of. Ask any modder for confirmation.
Modder here. Denuvo has absolutely no effect on modding. Steam DRM checks the integrity of the executable and also crashes on breakpoints. That said, it’s easy to remove with Steamless. Memory hacks work fine.
Edit: However, Space Marine 2 is going to use EAC, which is a kernel-level anti-cheat which prevents any modding short of utilizing or creating private hacks that may involve rogue system drivers.
Dammit, EAC may be an issue on Linux though. It’s kinda hit or miss whether a given developer will take the extra steps, particularly given the conflicting sources on just how complex it actually is. According to Valve, it’s a checkbox and dropping a file in your depot. Others claim it would require an Epic Online Services version of EAC, with all the baggage that carries, including potentially rewriting a whole chunk of your code.
I had read they have confirmed the game will be coming to steam deck shortly after, so I assume this will be working on Linux day one. I play on Linux and enjoy Warhammer so will be purchasing this game with that assumption.
Edit to include a link to the article I had read: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/08/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2-will-get-steam-deck-support/
Hard disagree on denuvo. If it’s no problem for you then you must have tons of experience in re. Which puts you into some 1%-ish group. Depends on the type of mods you do of course.
I do have the experience but if you attach a debugger to a non-Denuvo or a Denuvo game, then have any hacker/modder come into the room and look at the code, manipulate it or inject new code, they won’t notice the difference or face any obstacles.
Not that I would know, but you definitely can’t remove it with a single piece of software
Edit: /s
You can. Google steamless.
That’s my bad for not adding a /s. I was a regular on rin
Of course. Doesn’t mean its not nice to be able to avoid it though. Personally, it will have no real impact on my purchasing decision, but the less DRM, the better.
…why the overspecific denial? Will it be involved at a later date?
Is “No.” an over-specific denial?
No, it’s the “at launch” part that was added.
From the FAQ:
What “at launch” part?
The “at launch” part in the article, right there. But you can trust the nonbinding FAQ.
The part the writer made up?
You seem to not trust anyone except the person who wrote the article and just literally made up that part to add. That’s the only part you have faith in?
Yes, the part the writer made up. Either they share the concerns that we see a repeat of the Helldivers 2 fun, or they reacted to an article earlier with that wording. Doesn’t matter, as I cannot see the future, I have to guess. I communicated that guess.
You seem awfully aggressive to people that don’t share your view and dare to step into your line of sight. Do you always trust the official statements?
No, but I trust what a person says themselves more than another person making assumptions based off what they said. Concerns and guesses are not valid when the person has said No very clearly. Unless your stance is “trust no one about anything” then this seems a little extreme.
You’re saying your guess has more validity than what they’re saying, and they have a very clear answer. So I’ll ask an equally silly question of you, do you always value your guess over what the sources say?
I’m sorry, but what part of that says Denuvo or DRM?
What, so the only promise is a statement from Saber? Nothing official? Okay
Okay, now you’re just trolling. Goodbye.
You mean the “at launch” part that the writer added to the article and isn’t a part of the official Saber statement? Something you’d know if you read the article past the introductory paragraph?
Yes, that “at launch”. But you trust that FAQ, not like I want to do anything about that.
Have you considered taking therapy? Because you’re literally making up shit to hate on a game, it’s not healthy.
I’m sharing my distrust in the communication to the players based on shit that happened in the past. But thanks for the personal attack disguised as concern.
Actually I found it pretty disturbing that you’d make shit up just to throw a shade, so I’d consider the concern genuine even if poorly communicated.
Seriously, normal people don’t go “but what if they’re lying” any time something is said.
Well your stance is “don’t trust them” because they could lie. Then why listen to anything they say at all or engage in the convo?
“Will this game have DRM?”
“No.”
“Why are you overly specific?”
Yep, that’s my read as well. No idea what he’s talking about.
It’s just an easy marketing dunk especially when denovo news was trending a bit this week
That sounds like something I can see them do. Engage the haters (me, when talking about denuvo) with the bright minded people that weren’t tricked often enough, for more publicity.
Oh man, I was going to wishlist it and wait but now I’ll have to buy it on launch week.
EDIT: Sabre Interactive understands that the Emperor’s light shields the faithful, making dark machine rites like Denuvo unnecessary. Such heretical rites only agitate the machine spirits, causing discordant whispers that play into the hands of the enemies of Man. The Omnissiah smiles upon this decision.
I would hesitate to call our foes “Intelligences,” but they are most certainly Abominable, brother.
If this game releases with good quality my friends and I are day 2 customers for sure. Seems fun as hell from the videos.
I’m still pretty gutted about there being a season pass and DLC and stuff, but… I might be a week 4 customer 👀 it does look fun!
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the emperor is nickel and diming me to build his golden throne 😭
On the upshot, that season pass and the DLC stuff is all cosmetic only. All gameplay additions will be free for all.
I still strongly dislike limiting cosmetics so much, especially in a setting where they can mean so much. Darktide’s $20 skins pissed me right off: role-playing is 100% part of the game and that price is absurd.
Honestly, fair criticism, as it is still a $60 game and in my old timer’s brain that means everything should be unlockable through gameplay. Unfortunately, that’s just not how the market seems to work anymore, so I’ll just be glad their extra monetization is only limited to cosmetics and not gameplay stuff as well.
Yeah that’s true, you’re right. Altho, I am still skeptical of it - if you have DLC ready to go before launch… Why isn’t it in the base game?
It’s like booking a hotel: Basic price will get you a room for the night, with all the common amenities, but if you want late checkout, you’ll pay extra. Sure, they could fold that into the basic price and make it the norm, but if you know you’ll leave early anyway, you’ll be paying for something you don’t want.
The metaphor breaks apart if you look too closely - for hotels, early checkout is a convenience since they can get the room ready sooner for the next guest, so they’ll incentivise that, while the devs have already put in the work. On the other hand, the late checkout is a service of convenience while a DLC is an excitement feature, where the content is instead an incentive to pay more.
Either way, I feel like add-ons for games aren’t too different from add-ons in many other industries: “This is the basic <thing>, with the price we feel we can charge for it. This here is an extra you can have for an extra charge.”
But if you don’t pay for late checkout, you can still check out. If you don’t pay for extra DLC, you just don’t get to use whatever is in the DLC full stop
If you don’t pay for late checkout, you can’t check out late. If you don’t pay for the DLC, you can’t play the DLC. You can still check out at the normal time (which is the basic service) or play the base game, respectively.
Factorio did it perfectly. Developed a game and when it was finished 1.0 went yes that is the game state we want. Went 5 years into hiding, came back with a massive DLC, but the quality of life stuff and engine improvements all get pushed to the base game.
Better wait a bit, until the inofficial beta is over, Denuvo or not.
If I had any expendable income right now, I’d preorder for that stance alone.
Just in case they run out of digital copies
It’s more convenient for them to know in advance how many copies to not print