what I find funny is is a few years ago MnK was considered the optimal setup and controller players would complain about a disadvantage, but recently I’ve noticed this has switched and keyboard players are complaining about controllers being advantageous.
always been a controller player but never really cared either way about which one is better. but its sure more comfortable and easier to turn my brain off
I love gaming with controller on single player games, aiming with guns kinda suck but otherwise it’s much better experience. and driving is so neat. but yeah steam controller support plays a major role in my controller usage
For me, it’s linked with the amount of “local multiplayer” titles on Steam. There was fucking nothing! Ok, we could play nes or sega games, but it was strange to not have a lot of modern games. Thankfully, it’s slowly changing
Fr. I can’t play Bayonetta cause they want me to dodge with one of the buttons on top (can’t remember if it’s r1 or r2) and holy shit I can’t do it. It’s either A or B otherwise I literally nvr get the timing right even once
I don’t understand controllers. I can never get to use them properly. I grew up playing on computers all my life. My brain simply can’t grasp them and I always forget where all the buttons are.
I wonder if this has to do with an increase in console players moving to PC, or at least adding a PC to their gaming lineup at home. That and the Steam Deck which we saw also increase Linux’s market share.
It may not necessarily be PC gamers moving to controllers as much as its console players who have been most comfortable with a controller.
That’s how I am. I’ve been a PC gamer for a little over 10 years now (played PC growing up with Roller Coaster Tycoon, Sims, etc. but not counting that until I got an actual gaming PC) but I was mostly into consoles before this. But controllers have been a huge part of my playing experience and I’ve always preferred it for most games except the top downs like Sims and Roller Coaster Tycoon which I did play on console with controller but the PC’s ports doing have the same schemes available for those games.
I’d say it has to do with increased support of controllers. It used to be really hit or miss whether a controller would even work on the computer, much less with games.
I was 95% k+m until the Steam Deck (the 5% being my old Saitek Flightstick).
Since the Steam Deck I’m probably 90% controller.
I will say that k+m offers superior speed and precision, especially in FPSes, but the biggest improvement that I noticed was that I was getting a sore shoulder from repetitive strain sitting too much time in front of computers. Controllers are more ergonomic.
BG3 is completely playable with a controller though. Yes, kbm is better here, but I’ve played 2 entire campaigns on my deck and it was fine. The radials can be kind of annoying but you can customize them so it’s not so bad. You can tell Larian put a lot of work into making a good controller experience, while Solasta: Crown of the Magister (for example) promised controller support but it plays like ass with one.
Solasta actually plays pretty well with an old Steam Controller and the right controller mapping, but I can see where you’re coming from on a controller without a touchpad input.
I believe many users are going controller over mnk is because these game devs are making it extremely easy to aim using controller, which does not make it a fair fight against mnk players.
Doesn’t help that plenty of games have stripped down controls that don’t allow you to change keybinds because they’re built for controllers. I don’t know if embracing is the right word.
Edit: I’ll also offer that devices like the Xim look like controllers, but still allow use of mouse and keyboard.
It’s interesting that using Xim-like devices (Cronus Zen/Cronus Max) is a bannable offence on some games. They have to draw the line somewhere… one could build a device using OpenCV to recognize enemy characters and auto-aim towards them, basically adding aim-assist to games that don’t have it.
I’m very much against aim assist in crossplay and online multiplayer explicitly because of Xim and Chronos. Devices like the Xim are pretty much cheats and they exploit aim assist in online play to the detriment of the game. I play a popular online fps game and have thousands of hours of gameplay. I can immediately tell who is using a device that abuses aim assist. It’s blatant and often egregious, it’s essentially an aimbot, but just shy of not quite. It truly ruins gameplay.
I understand the desire for a Xim’s legit capabilities, it offers some assistance to handicapped players, it allows direct use of a joystick in games that don’t allow them, etc… but I think those are the minority. The vast majority use it because “aimbot”. That counts for the console players that use them , but PC players seem to get the most benefit as they’re used to mouse/keyboard setups vs the consoles that may not be. There’s not much need for an actual aimbot/esp/etc. if you have a Xim. Yes, they’re that good.
IMO there should not be aim assist in online gameplay, and yeah, *uck these clowns using chronos/xims. They really screw everything up.
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Steam Deck and the console users that pivoted to PC gaming during the scalpers riddled PS5/Xbox launch are probably the most likely causes for this.
Right, PC gamers aren’t embracing controllers, console gamers are embracing PC gaming.
what I find funny is is a few years ago MnK was considered the optimal setup and controller players would complain about a disadvantage, but recently I’ve noticed this has switched and keyboard players are complaining about controllers being advantageous.
always been a controller player but never really cared either way about which one is better. but its sure more comfortable and easier to turn my brain off
I love gaming with controller on single player games, aiming with guns kinda suck but otherwise it’s much better experience. and driving is so neat. but yeah steam controller support plays a major role in my controller usage
I think it’s most likely that more people are playing genres like platformers and fighting games that are designed for controllers on PC than before.
I wouldn’t call those genres particularly popular atm
For me, it’s linked with the amount of “local multiplayer” titles on Steam. There was fucking nothing! Ok, we could play nes or sega games, but it was strange to not have a lot of modern games. Thankfully, it’s slowly changing
Games need to support it well with remapping and better UI and ways to control that make sense.
Fr. I can’t play Bayonetta cause they want me to dodge with one of the buttons on top (can’t remember if it’s r1 or r2) and holy shit I can’t do it. It’s either A or B otherwise I literally nvr get the timing right even once
If I need precise aiming, then it’s keyboard and mouse. If not, then I’ll go with a controller just so I can lean back and enjoy things.
I don’t understand controllers. I can never get to use them properly. I grew up playing on computers all my life. My brain simply can’t grasp them and I always forget where all the buttons are.
Thank God, this changes everything
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I wonder if this has to do with an increase in console players moving to PC, or at least adding a PC to their gaming lineup at home. That and the Steam Deck which we saw also increase Linux’s market share.
It may not necessarily be PC gamers moving to controllers as much as its console players who have been most comfortable with a controller.
That’s how I am. I’ve been a PC gamer for a little over 10 years now (played PC growing up with Roller Coaster Tycoon, Sims, etc. but not counting that until I got an actual gaming PC) but I was mostly into consoles before this. But controllers have been a huge part of my playing experience and I’ve always preferred it for most games except the top downs like Sims and Roller Coaster Tycoon which I did play on console with controller but the PC’s ports doing have the same schemes available for those games.
I’d say it has to do with increased support of controllers. It used to be really hit or miss whether a controller would even work on the computer, much less with games.
I was 95% k+m until the Steam Deck (the 5% being my old Saitek Flightstick).
Since the Steam Deck I’m probably 90% controller.
I will say that k+m offers superior speed and precision, especially in FPSes, but the biggest improvement that I noticed was that I was getting a sore shoulder from repetitive strain sitting too much time in front of computers. Controllers are more ergonomic.
Other than soulslikes I pretty much always prefer mouse+KB. Playing bg3 with a controller briefly during a co-op run was just way worse, for example.
BG3 is completely playable with a controller though. Yes, kbm is better here, but I’ve played 2 entire campaigns on my deck and it was fine. The radials can be kind of annoying but you can customize them so it’s not so bad. You can tell Larian put a lot of work into making a good controller experience, while Solasta: Crown of the Magister (for example) promised controller support but it plays like ass with one.
Solasta actually plays pretty well with an old Steam Controller and the right controller mapping, but I can see where you’re coming from on a controller without a touchpad input.
BG3 has an entirely different interface when using controller. I’m not a fan of the radial menus, but it’s not really an issue with the controller.
The truth is, for me at least, my wrists aren’t getting any younger and the controller is easier for me to use.
I do still use M+KB for games and activities that need it, but if there’s a reasonable controller option I’m going to go that route.
I believe many users are going controller over mnk is because these game devs are making it extremely easy to aim using controller, which does not make it a fair fight against mnk players.
There are also a thousand video game genres that don’t require shooting.
I remember in the 90s almost everyone I knew with a pc had a gamepad or joystick of some sort.
Doesn’t help that plenty of games have stripped down controls that don’t allow you to change keybinds because they’re built for controllers. I don’t know if embracing is the right word.
Edit: I’ll also offer that devices like the Xim look like controllers, but still allow use of mouse and keyboard.
It’s interesting that using Xim-like devices (Cronus Zen/Cronus Max) is a bannable offence on some games. They have to draw the line somewhere… one could build a device using OpenCV to recognize enemy characters and auto-aim towards them, basically adding aim-assist to games that don’t have it.
Maybe controversial opinion:
I’m very much against aim assist in crossplay and online multiplayer explicitly because of Xim and Chronos. Devices like the Xim are pretty much cheats and they exploit aim assist in online play to the detriment of the game. I play a popular online fps game and have thousands of hours of gameplay. I can immediately tell who is using a device that abuses aim assist. It’s blatant and often egregious, it’s essentially an aimbot, but just shy of not quite. It truly ruins gameplay.
I understand the desire for a Xim’s legit capabilities, it offers some assistance to handicapped players, it allows direct use of a joystick in games that don’t allow them, etc… but I think those are the minority. The vast majority use it because “aimbot”. That counts for the console players that use them , but PC players seem to get the most benefit as they’re used to mouse/keyboard setups vs the consoles that may not be. There’s not much need for an actual aimbot/esp/etc. if you have a Xim. Yes, they’re that good.
IMO there should not be aim assist in online gameplay, and yeah, *uck these clowns using chronos/xims. They really screw everything up.