You could probably install linux bare metal on your computer, and daily drive windows 7 in a vm. Good luck getting compatible software anymore, but if you can, create an image and you are set for the foreseeable future
Quite curious, I’m a VR gamer (and developer) and so far I’ve just had no problem with Proton and SteamVR, including for officially non supported games.
I am too far into nvidia windows things. I run really extreme games with 4090 and tons of mods. Unreal, unity, blender all that stuff. If there is one thing that windows does okay it’s my use case.
I guess they have me right where they want 😂
Also I am not sure if virtual desktop works on Linux
I have 4090 and 2080ti setups running both games and AI models, Blender, etc on Linux so I’m not sure where the problem is there.
I’m not saying you should switch if you don’t want to, I’m only saying for my use cases it’s not only possible but wasn’t a problem and has been stable for years, both for gaming, in VR or not (was playing BG3 just an hour ago), and for 3D/XR work.
Cmon Linux NVidia drivers are garbage. You can’t possibly run everything to the same extent or performance. Not to mention ray tracing etc. Let’s not delude ourselves or try to peddle some fiction unnecessarily
I am saying you played stuff that happened to run okay and not some other use cases where it struggles. I must probably take your word and pretend that it is true in some way even though everything I know about VR nvidia experience on Linux disagrees with your comment.
Bg3 or alyx is not a good example. Rather consider skyrimvr 1000 mods and cyberpunk pathtraced.
It’s just how it is when megacorp pours money into compatibility with one ecosystem and specifically refuses to provide support for another. It could work amazingly if they only had minuscule amount of goodwill
Don’t believe, check how countless others are doing it https://www.protondb.com I’m not sure where your experience comes from and that’s a shame it’s been a negative one (and I won’t dig into why, e.g how you did try and when), it just hasn’t been mine.
PS : I wouldn’t consider a game with 1000 mods a “normal” gaming experience. It sounds like it’s yours, and that’s perfectly fine, but I don’t believe this to be representative.
you should NEVER use “builds” like that.
All you need is available via GPO, also you MUST use Enterprise edition in order to turn the telemetry down to “Security”, all other builds can only go down to “Required”
No, I currently have all telemetry and other crap disabled on W10 22H2 Home without any problems. I need to use Windows for several reasons and because of this debloat it was the first thing in the new PC. Anyway in the future I’ll use it in dualboot, maybe with Mint or Q4OS
Someone should let Microsoft know that they only have 18 months left to put out an OS that isn’t a complete dumpster fire. Right now, I would take Vista over 11.
I see Linux in my future, as I just don’t have the cash for a new rig.
I have to be careful though, as it’s my family PC, and the rest of my family aren’t going to tolerate much of a learning curve. It really needs to just work out of the box.
Considering Zorin OS. Hopefully I can get it on my SSD next to Windows so I can dual-boot for a while to test the water…
You’d be better off installing Linux on another drive if you’re going to dual boot. Windows loves to mess with the EFI boot partition which ends up borking the Linux bootloader.
If your family does more than just browse the web, there’s definitely going to be a bit of a learning curve, it’s possible though. I converted my 73 year old father to Linux after he used Windows for 25 years.
I have been wanting to make the switch to Linux myself, and have done a bit of research on which to try for a beginner coming from windows. However the dual boot dangers are worrying me a bit, I dont want to nuke my windows installation just yet and only test the waters.
I have an SSD with windows on it and another with most of my programs and files. Could I partition the latter for a Linux installation or would I risk windows messing with it anyway?
Yep, in fact, installing it on a different drive completely would probably be your safest bet 😉 Windows may still mess with it, but if it has its own EFI System Partition, it should hopefully leave the one for Linux alone.
Installing Linux on a separate drive is probably a better bet. I’ll admit I didn’t have much trouble with it, but I dual booted Windows 8.1 with Linux, not 10, and my understanding is it has only gotten fuckier.
In either case you may wish to “test the waters” by installing and running Linux in a virtual machine or on a thumb drive at first, to take it for a test drive and see if you can live with it.
Ah really? I could put it on the hard drive, but the whole point of the SSD was for it to take the OS… Will have to think on that.
They generally don’t do more than browse the web so I’m not anticipating any major issues. I used to game on it, but it’s so old now I’ve stopped using it for games.
Maybe I’ll put it on a usb for a while instead of dual booting.
If you install the Linux bootloader on a separate partition from the Windows bootloader, then it’s trivial to repair it, but that might be a bit advanced for a basic user.
Go with Pop! Pop! Is a great OS and has pretty much everything working right out of the box. Go with Gnome so that people understand they need to do things slightly different rather than trying to use a Linux machine like a Windows machine. Plus Gnome is just awesome. Hit the windows key, type the first couple letters of the program you want to open, hit enter, done! The Pop shop has almost everything an average user would need, so you can install things with the click of a button without having to search the Internet, and updates are a hands off affair.
Edit: since you’re not a Linux user I’ll clarify Gnome. Gnome is a desktop environment, and Pop is the actual operating system. In Linux you can change how your computer interface looks and works by choosing different desktop environments(DE). A variation of Gnome is the default DE for Pop, and it works great. KDE would be the DE most similar to Windows, but it has enough differences that it can frustrate Windows users. Gnome is completely different, so they’ll take the time to figure something out rather than just getting frustrated that it’s different. Besides, the learning curve on Gnome is basically zero. Just use the Windows key and start typing. It’s literally that simple.
I’ll counter that when I tried gnome it was so far it was frustrating while KDE took some adjustment but it worked like a de was supposed to work in my brain. And gnome wasn’t as easily customizable as kde
Yeah, no recommendation will work for everyone. My advice was just based on observation of new Linux users and the challenges I see them complaining about. I’m glad you found something that works for you.
Oh absolutely, I just wanted to share because some people will see that and think “if gnome is easier and I hated it then I shouldn’t bother with KDE”. Nah if you don’t like gnome try KDE or cinnamon. Everyone is different, that’s why there are multiple major des.
I would have upgraded if they didn’t include the UI changes. I don’t know why Microsoft keeps trying to make these big UI changes given that they have a built-in audience of power users that have optimized since XP.
I think it’s a way to justify the update. It’s probably really about telemetry and hardware control, but normies see the centered taskbar and subconciously go “this must be new technology”
I work in finance, and the only time I use office is when my coworkers infrequently send me something locked in an Office document. Plenty of non-technical coworkers are addicted to it, but there’s no need, because it’s awful.
The Office programs are an ancient, bloated mess with an impossibly convoluted UI that to one uses more than a small share of.
The styles in Word and PowerPoint are never consistent: the bullets in lists never really match, fonts change randomly without reason, &c. These are intelligent people who have used this garbage for actual decades, and the WYSIWYG lie just results in a sloppy mess.
Even Microsoft wants everyone to stop using the desktop versions, and rent it from the cloud, which can be done from any OS.
For years, there was progress in moving governments away from implicitly endorsing Microsoft, and toward the simpler (but often still overcomplicated) OpenOffice/LibreOffice formats, and Microsoft engaged in some pretty shady behavior to stop it.
Markdown is better for documents, or maybe HTML, or LaTeX via LyX or something. Databases and legitimate file formats are better for data, with scripts for formulas. There are many simple alternatives around, but the addiction is so automatic and insidious, I can’t tell you how often over twenty years I’ve gotten screenshots pasted into an empty Word document rather than just sending the image.
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they don’t bother me
probably because they would have to back down of pretending they require specific hardware I’m not going to buy.
They could convince me to update by making windows 11 not suck.
By reworking windows 7 to work with new hardware
God I’d cry if I could get windows 7 supported again
You could probably install linux bare metal on your computer, and daily drive windows 7 in a vm. Good luck getting compatible software anymore, but if you can, create an image and you are set for the foreseeable future
Actually not a bad idea. A lot of games I play actually run better on 7 than on 10.
Or I could reskin mint to be Windows Aero
Every pop up just convinced me to switch to Linux lol
Same. My next build will be Linux. Just distro shopping right now.
Haha felt that. I jumped from distro to distro constantly then finally settled in fedora after trying it a 2nd time
I wish I wasn’t a vr gamer sometimes so I could unsubscribe from this os permanently
Quite curious, I’m a VR gamer (and developer) and so far I’ve just had no problem with Proton and SteamVR, including for officially non supported games.
I am too far into nvidia windows things. I run really extreme games with 4090 and tons of mods. Unreal, unity, blender all that stuff. If there is one thing that windows does okay it’s my use case.
I guess they have me right where they want 😂
Also I am not sure if virtual desktop works on Linux
I have 4090 and 2080ti setups running both games and AI models, Blender, etc on Linux so I’m not sure where the problem is there.
I’m not saying you should switch if you don’t want to, I’m only saying for my use cases it’s not only possible but wasn’t a problem and has been stable for years, both for gaming, in VR or not (was playing BG3 just an hour ago), and for 3D/XR work.
Cmon Linux NVidia drivers are garbage. You can’t possibly run everything to the same extent or performance. Not to mention ray tracing etc. Let’s not delude ourselves or try to peddle some fiction unnecessarily
Genuinely confused here, are you saying I didn’t play BG3, HL:A, etc on my Linux desktop and I just dreamt for last few years?
I am saying you played stuff that happened to run okay and not some other use cases where it struggles. I must probably take your word and pretend that it is true in some way even though everything I know about VR nvidia experience on Linux disagrees with your comment.
Bg3 or alyx is not a good example. Rather consider skyrimvr 1000 mods and cyberpunk pathtraced.
It’s just how it is when megacorp pours money into compatibility with one ecosystem and specifically refuses to provide support for another. It could work amazingly if they only had minuscule amount of goodwill
Don’t believe, check how countless others are doing it https://www.protondb.com I’m not sure where your experience comes from and that’s a shame it’s been a negative one (and I won’t dig into why, e.g how you did try and when), it just hasn’t been mine.
PS : I wouldn’t consider a game with 1000 mods a “normal” gaming experience. It sounds like it’s yours, and that’s perfectly fine, but I don’t believe this to be representative.
Installed Zorin OS the same day I got the full-screen prompt.
The latest Zorin is slick. Love it.
Windows 10 keeps turning that stupid news feed back on on my taskbar, too.
This helps with all that bs https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/block_windows_11_from_installing.html
Alternative for those which want to use still Windows, but without all its crap and spyings
https://windowsxlite.com
you should NEVER use “builds” like that.
All you need is available via GPO, also you MUST use Enterprise edition in order to turn the telemetry down to “Security”, all other builds can only go down to “Required”
No, I currently have all telemetry and other crap disabled on W10 22H2 Home without any problems. I need to use Windows for several reasons and because of this debloat it was the first thing in the new PC. Anyway in the future I’ll use it in dualboot, maybe with Mint or Q4OS
you physically cannot do it, the option is just ignored unless you have enterprise. best you can do is block by ip
Someone should let Microsoft know that they only have 18 months left to put out an OS that isn’t a complete dumpster fire. Right now, I would take Vista over 11.
The cycle continues
Well sadly my laptop is not supported for update 🤷
I’ll wait for it to day and get a proper Linux supported device:)
Till then, I’ll fly my w10
What exactly is not supported on linux?
If it is like mine, it’s the update itself. It says something like hardware not supported and gives you a big ol’ Fuck You
Wicked processor freezing while switching into power saving (idle cpu-modes) modes, workes fine if I disable these, but then it’s always on full power
Have tried a lot, is a pain
IMO it’s their loss.
They’ll be lucky if I boot my Windows 10 partition between now and 18 months.
I almost did the other day. But then I found out that someone made a Flatpak of MakeMKV, so I didn’t need to.
I see Linux in my future, as I just don’t have the cash for a new rig.
I have to be careful though, as it’s my family PC, and the rest of my family aren’t going to tolerate much of a learning curve. It really needs to just work out of the box.
Considering Zorin OS. Hopefully I can get it on my SSD next to Windows so I can dual-boot for a while to test the water…
Go with Mint rather than Zorin.
I use Linux Mint on a bunch of my machines
In general it’s pretty painless
I still have a Windows machine but I’m hoping to fix that soon
You’d be better off installing Linux on another drive if you’re going to dual boot. Windows loves to mess with the EFI boot partition which ends up borking the Linux bootloader.
If your family does more than just browse the web, there’s definitely going to be a bit of a learning curve, it’s possible though. I converted my 73 year old father to Linux after he used Windows for 25 years.
I have been wanting to make the switch to Linux myself, and have done a bit of research on which to try for a beginner coming from windows. However the dual boot dangers are worrying me a bit, I dont want to nuke my windows installation just yet and only test the waters.
I have an SSD with windows on it and another with most of my programs and files. Could I partition the latter for a Linux installation or would I risk windows messing with it anyway?
Yep, in fact, installing it on a different drive completely would probably be your safest bet 😉 Windows may still mess with it, but if it has its own EFI System Partition, it should hopefully leave the one for Linux alone.
Installing Linux on a separate drive is probably a better bet. I’ll admit I didn’t have much trouble with it, but I dual booted Windows 8.1 with Linux, not 10, and my understanding is it has only gotten fuckier.
In either case you may wish to “test the waters” by installing and running Linux in a virtual machine or on a thumb drive at first, to take it for a test drive and see if you can live with it.
Ah really? I could put it on the hard drive, but the whole point of the SSD was for it to take the OS… Will have to think on that.
They generally don’t do more than browse the web so I’m not anticipating any major issues. I used to game on it, but it’s so old now I’ve stopped using it for games.
Maybe I’ll put it on a usb for a while instead of dual booting.
I meant installing Linux itself on another drive, but having the EFI System Partition on another drive could work theoretically.
If you install the Linux bootloader on a separate partition from the Windows bootloader, then it’s trivial to repair it, but that might be a bit advanced for a basic user.
Go with Pop! Pop! Is a great OS and has pretty much everything working right out of the box. Go with Gnome so that people understand they need to do things slightly different rather than trying to use a Linux machine like a Windows machine. Plus Gnome is just awesome. Hit the windows key, type the first couple letters of the program you want to open, hit enter, done! The Pop shop has almost everything an average user would need, so you can install things with the click of a button without having to search the Internet, and updates are a hands off affair.
Edit: since you’re not a Linux user I’ll clarify Gnome. Gnome is a desktop environment, and Pop is the actual operating system. In Linux you can change how your computer interface looks and works by choosing different desktop environments(DE). A variation of Gnome is the default DE for Pop, and it works great. KDE would be the DE most similar to Windows, but it has enough differences that it can frustrate Windows users. Gnome is completely different, so they’ll take the time to figure something out rather than just getting frustrated that it’s different. Besides, the learning curve on Gnome is basically zero. Just use the Windows key and start typing. It’s literally that simple.
I’ll counter that when I tried gnome it was so far it was frustrating while KDE took some adjustment but it worked like a de was supposed to work in my brain. And gnome wasn’t as easily customizable as kde
Yeah, no recommendation will work for everyone. My advice was just based on observation of new Linux users and the challenges I see them complaining about. I’m glad you found something that works for you.
Oh absolutely, I just wanted to share because some people will see that and think “if gnome is easier and I hated it then I shouldn’t bother with KDE”. Nah if you don’t like gnome try KDE or cinnamon. Everyone is different, that’s why there are multiple major des.
yet again
I installed Atlas OS on my Windows 10 machine and I don’t get any of this shit.
What’s that like then
Just strips out most of the bullcrap that MS won’t let you uninstall.
So you’re running windows without system updates, without restore points, AND without windows defender?
That’s pretty daring raw dogging the internet like that
…I have all of that enabled.
When I looked into it the first thread I found about it mentioned that those were disabled
But looking back at it the thread was from a year ago
I see they’re getting desperate. One year and half to eol, and still, according to statcounter, 69% of the world uses windows 10.
I would have upgraded if they didn’t include the UI changes. I don’t know why Microsoft keeps trying to make these big UI changes given that they have a built-in audience of power users that have optimized since XP.
I think it’s a way to justify the update. It’s probably really about telemetry and hardware control, but normies see the centered taskbar and subconciously go “this must be new technology”
…nice
If corporations would just end their love affair with exchange online and fucking outlook, maybe windows would go away
Well, what is the alternative? Google? I don’t think that is a good trade.
A little less lock-in is literally a little bit better
Just use NeXtCloUD
The reality is that there is no real alternative to the office suite including outlook. That is a real problem but just using Linux is not the answer.
I work in finance, and the only time I use office is when my coworkers infrequently send me something locked in an Office document. Plenty of non-technical coworkers are addicted to it, but there’s no need, because it’s awful.
The Office programs are an ancient, bloated mess with an impossibly convoluted UI that to one uses more than a small share of.
The styles in Word and PowerPoint are never consistent: the bullets in lists never really match, fonts change randomly without reason, &c. These are intelligent people who have used this garbage for actual decades, and the WYSIWYG lie just results in a sloppy mess.
Even Microsoft wants everyone to stop using the desktop versions, and rent it from the cloud, which can be done from any OS.
For years, there was progress in moving governments away from implicitly endorsing Microsoft, and toward the simpler (but often still overcomplicated) OpenOffice/LibreOffice formats, and Microsoft engaged in some pretty shady behavior to stop it.
Markdown is better for documents, or maybe HTML, or LaTeX via LyX or something. Databases and legitimate file formats are better for data, with scripts for formulas. There are many simple alternatives around, but the addiction is so automatic and insidious, I can’t tell you how often over twenty years I’ve gotten screenshots pasted into an empty Word document rather than just sending the image.
Except for outlook, LibreOffice.
why not?