ah, that’s a shame. I’m heavily relying on google pay (also BLIK, but I’m usingboth polish and Ukrainian cards, and blik is a poland-only thingy) since i only have virtual credit cards right now. having everything (bank cards, govt ids etcs) on my phone is just too convinient to give up like that
I was concerned with this myself and planned to just add a physical card under my phone case, but I was suprised how little difference using the card normally made.
And if you care about privacy, you probably shouldn’t make your purchases using a google app.
That’s the vibe I got from it. It took longer to activate the app than it took to get a card out of my wallet. It had the potential to fail if my battery was flat. Google could track my shopping habits.
The only real downside is that the developers are divas. Also, there’s something to be said about the security of a Google manufactured device and thinking your custom firmware protects you from them, however really that’s true of any device, and the security benefits of sandboxing and other features may outweigh this.
Get a Pixel and give it a shot. If it doesn’t work for you the Pixels have amazing support in the custom ROM community so you’ll be able to find something you like for sure.
Upsides: Everything just works, no google tracking, creating a google account is optional and its easy to setup
Downsides: You aren’t able to automatically backup the internal storage of apps without a lot of work (external files such as photos and documents are fine though)
I’ve been using it for about 1.5 years, I would recommend using it if possible
I just moved from a Samsung - migration was a lot of manual work for me. Whether it’s worth it depends on how much the increased security and control are worth to you. They were to me - I haven’t had any issues otherwise.
I switched to it a year ago and I like it. The biggest draw for me is it gives me back control and ownership over my phone. It gives you actual and thorough control over what apps can do on your phone including Google’s apps, which on other typical Android OS are being given all or most permissions with no ability for you to deny access to any of them.
To gain almost all the functionality of a regular Android OS you can install Google Play Services and run it sandboxed, which means it will only do what you allow it to do and access only what you will allow it to access, which for me is the bare minimum before things stop working too much for my tastes.
Besides Android auto for now, the only thing that won’t work for me on it is my banking app, probably because of all the security checks involved in it. But I just use the browser-based online service to do my banking operations instead.
Banking apps can usually be defeated by Magisk in Zygist mode, then you use the deny list to hide things from the app. Some might check with Google for security, which is much more difficult and maybe even impossible to circumvent, but in my experience these days they work fine.
Magisk also allows app spoofing, which may be something of a security risk, but using it to bypass things like banking app checks is one of the benefits. Personally, I like having root, and to me the benefits are worth the risk.
It may even be that GrapheneOS uses a little bit of Magisk’s type of functionality. At least, that’s how LineageOS4MicroG works - you need app spoofing to install MicroG, however this ROM comes with it preinstalled but disabled for anything else, so it closes the security hole. However, you probably can’t defeat Google’s SafetyNet with MicroG anymore.
My banking app is in the list and already has a number of reports against it reporting the same problem I have with it. Exploit protection compatibility mode was already enabled on my phone. The app just freezes upon startup ever since an update that rolled in later last year and as I said, this problem has already been reported by other users.
Banking apps can usually be defeated by Magisk in Zygist mode, then you use the deny list to hide things from the app. Some might check with Google for security, which is much more difficult and maybe even impossible to circumvent, but in my experience these days they work fine.
Banking apps can usually be defeated by Magisk in Zygist mode, then you use the deny list to hide things from the app. Some might check with Google for security, which is much more difficult and maybe even impossible to circumvent, but in my experience these days they work fine.
From my experience, its overall good. Its basically stock android, meaning no google smart features and apps by default, with more control over apps and google services. But for caution, some apps may break. You will have to mess around with the app settings to fix them. Also some apps will not work such as the google wallet app due to the OS not being acknowledged as official by google.
In short, its a more security focused OS that may require more involvement in configuration.
I think it’s great, and have been daily driving it for I think almost 3 years now. With the addition of sandboxed Google Play services, there’s little it can’t handle.
Android auto is, to put it lightly, shit. The compatibility issues itself are enough to make one vomit (try finding out what’s required to use wireless connection) but once you manage to connect it it just gets worse and worse. I would not put it on my main phone even if it did work. Instead I bough cheap stock android phone and got a cheap, data only SIM (€2/month). The phone stays in my car, is not used for anything else and doesn’t have any personal accounts. I’m fairly happy with this setup.
You can say what you want, but using a phone instead of the integrated dashboard of your car is not a better experience. I kinda like android auto. My stupid car didnt support android auto wireless (only cable), but I bought a device that acts as a bridge. So now my phone automatically connects to Android auto and it just works every time. I can open my calendar on my dashboard and navigate to the addresses of my appointments with one click.
I dislike the latest updates to waze on Android auto. I always refresh my route before going to the freeway on my commute but now the routes button moved to the top right corner and is tiny. For that reason I prefer my phone on my click in wireless charger in my car which has the better phone waze ui
I’m considering getting a rear view mirror that has integrated a Android Auto functionality so I can use Maps without ever looking away from the road. Even better than dash
A phone may not be better than AA, but a dedicated tablet could be. I haven’t owned a car in a while now so I’m not sure what the current scene is like, but back in the day there used to be dedicated custom ROMs for cars (Timur’s ROM for eg), which had various optimisations for car usage. I used those ROMs in combination with Tasker and Greenify, so that my tablet (a Nexus 7 and later a Nexus 9) would automatically activate and launch my GPS apps and Spotify when I turned on my car, and when I turned it off, it would enter into airplane mode and go into deep sleep. With this, I could leave my tablet in my car and have it behave like a built-in infotainment system.
I also had it hooked up to my car’s OBD2 port using an adapter, and could get realtime car stats like the speed and temps. There’s was also a
This third-party car home app (I forget the name, Speedometer or something), which, IMO, was a much better (and customisable) interface than AA.
Compared to the setup I had back then, AA feels like a joke in comparison. Mind you, I don’t think the concept of AA irsel isn’t bad, but at least in my experience and use case, I felt it was quite restrictive and clunky compared to using a full-fledged Android with third-party apps. The best part of this setup was that there was no reliance on my phone, no reliance on my car manufacturer, and no reliance on Google.
You got lucky. I also bought the wireless dongle and my phone was not compatible. Only the latest phones are but the requirements are nowhere to be found. I also tried a simple phone with android Go but turns out Go does not support android auto at all. This is also not said anywhere on android auto page. Now I have another ohone and a cable and it does mostly work but the voice assistant (like the most important feature when driving) is buggy, the screen gets all messed up from time to time, support for it in apps is still not great and of course it all goes through google so bye bye privacy. Of course it’s better than the infotainment systems that all the car brands had because it’s does support more apps and the big car display is better than phone holder but overall it still sucks. A truly open standard that would let phones just display stuff on the car’s screen and get input from it would be so much better but of course there’s no hope for it.
Yes you’re right. A feature so popular that it’s been adopted by most major auto manufacturers is complete garbage. Everyone hates it. Graphene is only even adding it to appease like 3-4 people tops!
Totally agree. Andriod Auto shits the bed occasionally, but well worth it, in my opinion. Imo the best thing is how your info dash is based off your phone instead of the car. Makes it super handy for rentals or trading cars with the wife
I recall watch pairing being temperamental when I tried it as well, but this will be a solid reason to give it another go. Maybe put it in one of the old phones for a test drive and go from there. Graphine certainly makes it easier to hop over with their online flash tool than most did in the past.
GrapheneOS requires specific safety hardware that, as of now, is usually available only on the Google Pixel line of phones. If your standard smartphone doesn’t include it, I doubt a car does.
Android Auto is a specific system that mirrors app contents from your phone. It’s basically an extended monitor for your phone with specific formatting to be car usage friendly. It doesn’t do anything about a car’s embedded systems
Which question? The one you asked who was the huge privacy concern? If so…did you read the article they linked you? Because the answer is there, and I’m not going to read it for you.
The one you asked who was the huge privacy concern?
You are not the person I asked, nor is the last person who replied to me, so I don’t know how you, they, or the article could possibly know who they were speaking of.
Plugging your phone in doesn’t suddenly make your car or your phone more or less private so I don’t understand the relevance.
They answered the “who is the huge privacy concern” with the link. I literally just said that.
so I don’t know how you could possibly know who they were speaking of.
I read the link that was the replied to you, and applied context. It’s not hard to understand what a person means when they literally write it down. It’s one method of communication. Or do you constantly read articles, and never know what the authors meant unless you can quiz them directly?
Plugging your phone in doesn’t suddenly make your car more or less private so I don’t understand the relevance.
They weren’t necessarily talking about making the car more or less private via plugging in the phone. The original comment in this thread was wishing GrapheneOS was on cars, and then “modern cars are bad for privacy” link. They were talking about the existing poor state of privacy on modern cars and wishing it was fixed via wishing GrapheneOS could be flashed to the car. There was nothing in this thread about plugging your phone into the car making it more or less private. Again…context.
I’m a Luddite for sure, but I’d be uncomfortable with my car having access to data about how I interact with my phone. I use Lineage and not Graphene, but I don’t think I’d use Android Auto if it was available for Lineage. (Or maybe it is. Not sure. But I wouldn’t use it regardless.)
Also for people thinking that this will block the functions that your existing one has integrated with the vehicle, you can get something like iDatalink Maestro to translate things. As long as it’s compatible with your car and the head unit is compatible with the Maestro then you can access existing functions.
I’m more interested in that Nitro Phone 4, tbh. Not in buying it, as I’d just flash it myself, but it’s an interesting product. They also include options for removing sensors, microphones and cameras, which seems kind of cool and crazy - without the microphones how do you make calls?!
Either you plug a wired microphone each time you receive a call, or you explicitly do not receive calls with the device and use it as a tablet basically.
Yup it is, but apparently they also have options to physically remove components for added security. It costs €300 though, on top of the premium they charge for simply installing GrapheneOS and putting a sticker on the back.
So yeah, I find it interesting, but I don’t think it’s something I’d buy lol.
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You can’t just go around proving people wrong all the time!
Is Graphene OS good? Any downsides? I need to get a new phone soon.
I’m running it. Bank apps and Safety net things (like Pokemon Go) all work. Aside from Android Auto, Google Pay refuses to work.
So, there’s no downsides.
Actually, Google Translate didn’t play ball when I tried it. I miss that one.
I really like Android Auto so I’ll probably wait until they at least get that working to change. I wonder if Samsung Pay works on there…
I would guess that Samsung pay relies on Knox, which gets disabled by blowing an e-fuse, when you run a custom os. But maybe I’m wrong.
ah, that’s a shame. I’m heavily relying on google pay (also BLIK, but I’m usingboth polish and Ukrainian cards, and blik is a poland-only thingy) since i only have virtual credit cards right now. having everything (bank cards, govt ids etcs) on my phone is just too convinient to give up like that
I was concerned with this myself and planned to just add a physical card under my phone case, but I was suprised how little difference using the card normally made.
And if you care about privacy, you probably shouldn’t make your purchases using a google app.
That’s the vibe I got from it. It took longer to activate the app than it took to get a card out of my wallet. It had the potential to fail if my battery was flat. Google could track my shopping habits.
So, that’s a pass.
The only real downside is that the developers are divas. Also, there’s something to be said about the security of a Google manufactured device and thinking your custom firmware protects you from them, however really that’s true of any device, and the security benefits of sandboxing and other features may outweigh this.
Lol how are they divas?
Louis Rossmann explains it well in his video here
The lead dev has left the project. He was responsible for pretty much all of that. Presumably that is why.
I’m pretty sure there have been stories going back years before this, but yeah that’s a good example.
Here is an example: https://github.com/bromite/bromite/issues/2141
google’s shit is literally malware
You can’t get an infection if you’re a virus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virophage
You can’t just go around proving people wrong all the time…
GrapheneOS is probably the best, most private and secure Android ROM out there. I can only recommend it.
Get a Pixel and give it a shot. If it doesn’t work for you the Pixels have amazing support in the custom ROM community so you’ll be able to find something you like for sure.
Upsides: Everything just works, no google tracking, creating a google account is optional and its easy to setup
Downsides: You aren’t able to automatically backup the internal storage of apps without a lot of work (external files such as photos and documents are fine though)
I’ve been using it for about 1.5 years, I would recommend using it if possible
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i may be wrong, but i believe you can still use autocorrect with GBoard, and even disable network for it
I just moved from a Samsung - migration was a lot of manual work for me. Whether it’s worth it depends on how much the increased security and control are worth to you. They were to me - I haven’t had any issues otherwise.
I switched to it a year ago and I like it. The biggest draw for me is it gives me back control and ownership over my phone. It gives you actual and thorough control over what apps can do on your phone including Google’s apps, which on other typical Android OS are being given all or most permissions with no ability for you to deny access to any of them.
To gain almost all the functionality of a regular Android OS you can install Google Play Services and run it sandboxed, which means it will only do what you allow it to do and access only what you will allow it to access, which for me is the bare minimum before things stop working too much for my tastes.
Besides Android auto for now, the only thing that won’t work for me on it is my banking app, probably because of all the security checks involved in it. But I just use the browser-based online service to do my banking operations instead.
Banking apps can usually be defeated by Magisk in Zygist mode, then you use the deny list to hide things from the app. Some might check with Google for security, which is much more difficult and maybe even impossible to circumvent, but in my experience these days they work fine.
Don’t you need to root to use Magisk? You can’t root in GrapheneOS
Magisk is how you get root.
Magisk also allows app spoofing, which may be something of a security risk, but using it to bypass things like banking app checks is one of the benefits. Personally, I like having root, and to me the benefits are worth the risk.
It may even be that GrapheneOS uses a little bit of Magisk’s type of functionality. At least, that’s how LineageOS4MicroG works - you need app spoofing to install MicroG, however this ROM comes with it preinstalled but disabled for anything else, so it closes the security hole. However, you probably can’t defeat Google’s SafetyNet with MicroG anymore.
You can tho its not advised
I never managed to get MS “company portal” to successfully create a work profile. I had to give up in the end.
if you dont mind me asking, which banking app do you use? have you checked out the privsec.dev compatibility report?
My banking app is in the list and already has a number of reports against it reporting the same problem I have with it. Exploit protection compatibility mode was already enabled on my phone. The app just freezes upon startup ever since an update that rolled in later last year and as I said, this problem has already been reported by other users.
Banking apps can usually be defeated by Magisk in Zygist mode, then you use the deny list to hide things from the app. Some might check with Google for security, which is much more difficult and maybe even impossible to circumvent, but in my experience these days they work fine.
I got my banking app working by going into App Info for it, and toggling this to on.
This is also what I use to get 3 banking apps working
I never managed to get MS “company portal” to successfully create a work profile. I had to give up in the end.
Banking apps can usually be defeated by Magisk in Zygist mode, then you use the deny list to hide things from the app. Some might check with Google for security, which is much more difficult and maybe even impossible to circumvent, but in my experience these days they work fine.
i, for one, only have good things to say about it, EXCEPT device support (which is not GOS’s fault)
Biggest downside is you lose Android Auto haha
But also pretty much all the Pixel-specific features like Call Screen, Hold For Me and many more.
Other than that it’s fantastic and easy to install.
I still use Google Contacts, Camera, Photos and GBoard, all with internet connectivity disabled.
Doesn’t it only support Pixel phones?
Yes, if you want an alternative that supports more phones, look into Calyx OS
I love CalyxOS but they don’t support Android Auto at the moment if this a dealbreaker for anyone
I used the Google to destroy the Google
From my experience, its overall good. Its basically stock android, meaning no google smart features and apps by default, with more control over apps and google services. But for caution, some apps may break. You will have to mess around with the app settings to fix them. Also some apps will not work such as the google wallet app due to the OS not being acknowledged as official by google.
In short, its a more security focused OS that may require more involvement in configuration.
is there any way to do NFC payments with grapheneos?
Google Wallet didn’t work last time I checked, but contactless payments worked perfectly well by setting my banking app as the payment app.
Not all banking apps work due to the system integrity checks they do. Support for your banking app can probably be confirmed here.
Confirmed my app works on GrapheneOS but doesn’t seem to implement payment functionality. Guess they rely on google/apple/samsung pay 🤦
Now that I know this is a thing any banking app can just do, I am so disappointed in the predominance of “digital wallets”
That’s a shame. I wouldn’t bet on Google Pay ever working on GrapheneOS.
I think it’s great, and have been daily driving it for I think almost 3 years now. With the addition of sandboxed Google Play services, there’s little it can’t handle.
Android auto is, to put it lightly, shit. The compatibility issues itself are enough to make one vomit (try finding out what’s required to use wireless connection) but once you manage to connect it it just gets worse and worse. I would not put it on my main phone even if it did work. Instead I bough cheap stock android phone and got a cheap, data only SIM (€2/month). The phone stays in my car, is not used for anything else and doesn’t have any personal accounts. I’m fairly happy with this setup.
You can say what you want, but using a phone instead of the integrated dashboard of your car is not a better experience. I kinda like android auto. My stupid car didnt support android auto wireless (only cable), but I bought a device that acts as a bridge. So now my phone automatically connects to Android auto and it just works every time. I can open my calendar on my dashboard and navigate to the addresses of my appointments with one click.
I dislike the latest updates to waze on Android auto. I always refresh my route before going to the freeway on my commute but now the routes button moved to the top right corner and is tiny. For that reason I prefer my phone on my click in wireless charger in my car which has the better phone waze ui
Which device?
Not sure what that guy above is using but I’ve had AAWireless for over a year and it’s flawless.
I’m considering getting a rear view mirror that has integrated a Android Auto functionality so I can use Maps without ever looking away from the road. Even better than dash
A phone may not be better than AA, but a dedicated tablet could be. I haven’t owned a car in a while now so I’m not sure what the current scene is like, but back in the day there used to be dedicated custom ROMs for cars (Timur’s ROM for eg), which had various optimisations for car usage. I used those ROMs in combination with Tasker and Greenify, so that my tablet (a Nexus 7 and later a Nexus 9) would automatically activate and launch my GPS apps and Spotify when I turned on my car, and when I turned it off, it would enter into airplane mode and go into deep sleep. With this, I could leave my tablet in my car and have it behave like a built-in infotainment system.
I also had it hooked up to my car’s OBD2 port using an adapter, and could get realtime car stats like the speed and temps. There’s was also a This third-party car home app (I forget the name, Speedometer or something), which, IMO, was a much better (and customisable) interface than AA.
Compared to the setup I had back then, AA feels like a joke in comparison. Mind you, I don’t think the concept of AA irsel isn’t bad, but at least in my experience and use case, I felt it was quite restrictive and clunky compared to using a full-fledged Android with third-party apps. The best part of this setup was that there was no reliance on my phone, no reliance on my car manufacturer, and no reliance on Google.
You got lucky. I also bought the wireless dongle and my phone was not compatible. Only the latest phones are but the requirements are nowhere to be found. I also tried a simple phone with android Go but turns out Go does not support android auto at all. This is also not said anywhere on android auto page. Now I have another ohone and a cable and it does mostly work but the voice assistant (like the most important feature when driving) is buggy, the screen gets all messed up from time to time, support for it in apps is still not great and of course it all goes through google so bye bye privacy. Of course it’s better than the infotainment systems that all the car brands had because it’s does support more apps and the big car display is better than phone holder but overall it still sucks. A truly open standard that would let phones just display stuff on the car’s screen and get input from it would be so much better but of course there’s no hope for it.
Yes you’re right. A feature so popular that it’s been adopted by most major auto manufacturers is complete garbage. Everyone hates it. Graphene is only even adding it to appease like 3-4 people tops!
Because people don’t use garbage technologies? Ever heard of Windows? Internet explorer? AOL? Butterfly keyboards? I guess not.
I’ve been using Android auto for awhile. I’ve had some hiccups, but overall it’s been a great addition.
Yeah agreed. Been the two I prefer Carplay, but not by a lot.
Totally agree. Andriod Auto shits the bed occasionally, but well worth it, in my opinion. Imo the best thing is how your info dash is based off your phone instead of the car. Makes it super handy for rentals or trading cars with the wife
Wow this is incredible, and I will be making the switch! This was the only unavailable feature that I couldn’t go without.
I recall watch pairing being temperamental when I tried it as well, but this will be a solid reason to give it another go. Maybe put it in one of the old phones for a test drive and go from there. Graphine certainly makes it easier to hop over with their online flash tool than most did in the past.
Same. I used graphene and calyx for a while but really needed the nav features so stoped using them. Very excited for this!!
I was hoping from the title that this meant that Graphene could run on the car. They’re still a huge privacy concern.
GrapheneOS requires specific safety hardware that, as of now, is usually available only on the Google Pixel line of phones. If your standard smartphone doesn’t include it, I doubt a car does.
Android Auto is a specific system that mirrors app contents from your phone. It’s basically an extended monitor for your phone with specific formatting to be car usage friendly. It doesn’t do anything about a car’s embedded systems
What do you mean “run on the car”? You might be thinking of Android Automotive, the car OS.
…who?
E: please stop speaking on behalf of the person I asked the question to. They are the only one who knows the answer.
Modern cars are a privacy shitshow
Edit: spelling
Yes we’re all aware, thank you. What does that have to do with my question?
Which question? The one you asked who was the huge privacy concern? If so…did you read the article they linked you? Because the answer is there, and I’m not going to read it for you.
…either of them?
You are not the person I asked, nor is the last person who replied to me, so I don’t know how you, they, or the article could possibly know who they were speaking of.
Plugging your phone in doesn’t suddenly make your car or your phone more or less private so I don’t understand the relevance.
They answered the “who is the huge privacy concern” with the link. I literally just said that.
I read the link that was the replied to you, and applied context. It’s not hard to understand what a person means when they literally write it down. It’s one method of communication. Or do you constantly read articles, and never know what the authors meant unless you can quiz them directly?
They weren’t necessarily talking about making the car more or less private via plugging in the phone. The original comment in this thread was wishing GrapheneOS was on cars, and then “modern cars are bad for privacy” link. They were talking about the existing poor state of privacy on modern cars and wishing it was fixed via wishing GrapheneOS could be flashed to the car. There was nothing in this thread about plugging your phone into the car making it more or less private. Again…context.
No they literally didn’t. That was someone else.
Only if they write very unclearly, as the person I replied to did.
It sounded to me like they were referring to Graphene, and not presumably who you meant about the OEMs, which is why I asked for clarification.
I’m gonna stop entertaining this pointless debate. Let me know if you hear back from the person who I actually asked the question to, byebye now.
they meant it as having graphene replace the car’s OS. the cars themselves is the privacy concern
Yeah, don’t ever connect your phone to your car. It has been proven that they steal all your data.
Better yet, don’t have a phone.
Better yet, have a de-Google’d phone and don’t connect it to the car. Don’t see why it is “better” not to have one at all.
Or a car
I’m a Luddite for sure, but I’d be uncomfortable with my car having access to data about how I interact with my phone. I use Lineage and not Graphene, but I don’t think I’d use Android Auto if it was available for Lineage. (Or maybe it is. Not sure. But I wouldn’t use it regardless.)
the solution is to yank out the stock infotainment system and put in a new one that doesn’t suck. that and cracking down on automakers who play dirty
Is there one that doesn’t suck and isn’t auto/carplay?
Also for people thinking that this will block the functions that your existing one has integrated with the vehicle, you can get something like iDatalink Maestro to translate things. As long as it’s compatible with your car and the head unit is compatible with the Maestro then you can access existing functions.
I’m more interested in that Nitro Phone 4, tbh. Not in buying it, as I’d just flash it myself, but it’s an interesting product. They also include options for removing sensors, microphones and cameras, which seems kind of cool and crazy - without the microphones how do you make calls?!
Either you plug a wired microphone each time you receive a call, or you explicitly do not receive calls with the device and use it as a tablet basically.
Ahh yeah that makes sense.
I don’t understand, isn’t the Nitro just a rebranded Pixel with Graphene?
Yup it is, but apparently they also have options to physically remove components for added security. It costs €300 though, on top of the premium they charge for simply installing GrapheneOS and putting a sticker on the back.
So yeah, I find it interesting, but I don’t think it’s something I’d buy lol.
You either connect a mic via Bluetooth or wired headset.
Bluetooth, doi, don’t know why I didn’t think of that.