I think it is comparable. A ps5 is hardware. Sony is under no obligation to provide a 3rd party operating system, but they should also not restrict you from creating or deploying one yourself on the hardware you own. Fundamentally, this should also extend to running software from any vendor you choose (a third party App Store). Sony artificially restricts your choice to only buying from them, and only running firmware and software they distribute. This is not dissimilar from iOS or Android or other hardware vendors that lock you in and lock down your hardware.
Strong ai slop vibes emanating from the article. It’s full of contradictions and listicles. Each section feels divorced from the others, and subsection titles are larger than section titles.
The information density feels way too high for something ai written, but at the very least they must’ve used an ai to fuck it up afterwards
Yeah I checked the twitter profiles of the two people mentioned, one doesnt talk about it at all and the other says it’s not what people think and it won’t enable CFW.
Yeah agreed especially further down when it’s just randomly rehashing old history. It’s also mixing up decryption and verification even in the beginning of the article. First they write:
BootROM (Level 0): The CPU runs code burned into it at the factory. This code is immutable (cannot be changed). It uses the ROM Keys to verify the signature of the next loader.
Then just two paragraphs below:
The ROM Keys change everything. With these keys, hackers can decrypt the Level 1 Bootloader.
So which is it? Usually bootloaders in a chain hash the next stage. That hash is compared with the signed hash the stage presents, and the signature on the signed hash is cryptographically verified against the locally stored trusted keys. No encryption or decryption takes place. Maybe this is different for the PS5 but then that would be noteworthy, not something you just assume readers to know.
That was a rhetorical question after I pointed out the inconsistency: The author claimed they keys were for verification and then also said they were used to decrypt.
That’s most likely bullshit, and if it isn’t they should explain the unusual setup in detail instead of glossing over it.
Chronus can be detected on consoles, just not super easily. And it kinda depends on each game’s developer and their ability to implement such detections. I know that Embark Studios have said that they’ve found ways to detect such devices in The Finals.
I believe that, while they can’t detect the actual hardware plugged into the console, they’re able to detect input patterns that would only be possible from M/K (such as 0ms AD-spamming). Of course, I can’t imagine that’s 100% foolproof on its own, either.
Eh. Nintendo’s been bumfucked like this for the majority of the Switch lifespan. detecting and banning modded consoles is a cat and mouse game that favors the cat. Piracy favors the mouse, because piracy happens in your home on your hardware. Online play is you trying to play ball in Sony’s court.
Softmodded consoles probably won’t even be able to play online, let alone cheat online.
I give it a month before unlocked PS5s are everywhere, and maybe six months to an year before a full on PS5 emulator. Brazilians in general LOVE hacked consoles and pirated games, hell the PS2 and Xbox 360 were extremely popular here for that exact reason.
This is literally the Gol D. Roger Execution moment for us.
Sony isn’t even cooked, man. Piracy is a non issue to the bottom line. The Switch had this plus fully functional pirate installers in like, month 2 and Nintendo still sold a morbillion copies of TOTK despite all the hackable consoles on the market (and the maturity of emulators)
Piracy never ever actually hurts big companies. Game consoles make their entire business on selling “just plug it in and click the prompts and play the game, ezpz” as a lifestyle. It doesn’t matter how fully hacked a console is or how easy it is to hack them, the percentage of users that’ll mod and pirate is always miniscule.
Look at sales numbers for Pokemon X and Y, which released when the 3DS was ironclad. Compare them to Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, which released when 3DS piracy required a $100 flashcart and an ancient system firmware with no downgrade route. Compare those to Pokémon Sun and Moon, which released when five minutes with an SD card and a magnet would let you pirate the game directly from Nintendo’s own fucking server, complete with fully functional online play. Notice a pattern? No you don’t, they all sold like hotcakes.
Every first party Nintendo game released after 2016 other than Super Mario Odyssey was available to pirates before legitimate buyers, until the Switch 2 came out. That entire near decade of Nintendo was exclusively releasing games for compromised platforms. Nintendo did pretty well financially during that period, I’d say. Wii piracy was trivial as soon as the Twilight Hack dropped, yet late life Wii games sold gangbusters. And on the Wii, pirates legitimately got a better product because they got to bypass the Wii’s dogshit DVD lens and disc load times. R4s and clones and upgrades existed for nearly the entire Nintendo DS lifespan. GBA games were playable on the PC before the console came out in the United States.
As someone else pointed out, there’s a shit ton of different phones. In 2012 alone, how many different “Samsung Galaxy …” did samsung release? Wikipedia lists 6
That’s 1 company, with 1 brand name in 1 year. Each with different hardware and as of late those phones have been harder and harder to even open. However, there’s a handful of models of “PS5” standard, slim, pro. They are also very easy to open requiring regular tools your average joe is likely to have, in fact sony encourages this in case you want to upgrade your SSD. It’s a lot harder to keep a system secure if the user can poke and prod the hardware, i mean the Wii’s security was literally beaten by tweezers
Consoles have extremely limited variations, less variables to mess with. A ps5 is a ps5, but a Samsung Galaxy 25 isn’t the same as a Samsung Galaxy FE25
But if Samsung’s firmware keys or whatever leaked, wouldn’t that apply to all of them? It’s not like they reinvent all their infrastructure for each phone.
Actually, I take it back. These things do happen in the mobile world, they’re just not released publicly. Celebrite etc just gobble them up
Good news, a new exploit has been recently found that can unlock the boot loader of several older Sony phones, even the Japanese models which were not unlockable until the discovery!
hypothetically, could they use different keys for each hardware revision? that’d help limit the impact as not every existing console would be affected. you’d think they had a plan for this in place after the PS3 keys leaked and their multiple huge security breaches
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If ps5 hack will allow running linux on it, i will run linux on it.
That is already possible, but the hacks to get it actually to run are quite annoying and limited to a few older versions AFAIK.
Hopefully with this you can just boot Linux normally on a PS5 in the nearish future. Would definitely make for a nice Steam Machine.
That would be absolutely brilliant!
That’s what I wanna do with my PS5 make it a steam machine
You know you’re crooked when “users can run the software they want on their own hardware” causes the sky to fall.
And EU is pounding Apple to get 3rd party app stores on its platform.
Meanwhile at Sony:
Not comparable.
I think it is comparable. A ps5 is hardware. Sony is under no obligation to provide a 3rd party operating system, but they should also not restrict you from creating or deploying one yourself on the hardware you own. Fundamentally, this should also extend to running software from any vendor you choose (a third party App Store). Sony artificially restricts your choice to only buying from them, and only running firmware and software they distribute. This is not dissimilar from iOS or Android or other hardware vendors that lock you in and lock down your hardware.
Yeah, this is a boon for the end user, and a loss for rootkit distributor Sony.
Strong ai slop vibes emanating from the article. It’s full of contradictions and listicles. Each section feels divorced from the others, and subsection titles are larger than section titles.
The information density feels way too high for something ai written, but at the very least they must’ve used an ai to fuck it up afterwards
Yeah I checked the twitter profiles of the two people mentioned, one doesnt talk about it at all and the other says it’s not what people think and it won’t enable CFW.
AI nonsense.
Yeah agreed especially further down when it’s just randomly rehashing old history. It’s also mixing up decryption and verification even in the beginning of the article. First they write:
Then just two paragraphs below:
So which is it? Usually bootloaders in a chain hash the next stage. That hash is compared with the signed hash the stage presents, and the signature on the signed hash is cryptographically verified against the locally stored trusted keys. No encryption or decryption takes place. Maybe this is different for the PS5 but then that would be noteworthy, not something you just assume readers to know.
Maybe I am missing something but I think you answers your own question?
ROM is Level 0, it has the burned-in, permanent key. It hashes and verifies the Level 1 bootloader, on disk, signed with the ROM key.
Now that the ROM key is known, anyone can sign a PS5 bootloader; and you can pretty much do whatever you want from there.
It would seem that all existing PS5s just went up in value.
That was a rhetorical question after I pointed out the inconsistency: The author claimed they keys were for verification and then also said they were used to decrypt.
That’s most likely bullshit, and if it isn’t they should explain the unusual setup in detail instead of glossing over it.
decryption is when cryptography
Yeah, but the kids eat it up.
Skeptical that kids would read thecybersecguru.com
Check the comments. They’re eating it up.
I doubt it but if true I will put Bazzite on mine.
Time to do the jump from ps2 to ps5 this 2026
Or save on a PC instead since most PS5 games are coming to PC.
think so?
If someone gets Bazzite running on it I will 100% start shopping around for a used ps5.
Not that I particularly care as the few exclusives on ps5 are all arriving on pc.
But this is gonna be hell on earth for anyone interested in competitive multiplayer games.
And the damage to Sony might be epochal if the exploit is easy enough for anyone to do it.
Competitive multiplayer games are already cooked on Playstation anyways since a lot of console cheaters use Cronus on PS4s that can’t detect it.
Chronus can be detected on consoles, just not super easily. And it kinda depends on each game’s developer and their ability to implement such detections. I know that Embark Studios have said that they’ve found ways to detect such devices in The Finals.
I believe that, while they can’t detect the actual hardware plugged into the console, they’re able to detect input patterns that would only be possible from M/K (such as 0ms AD-spamming). Of course, I can’t imagine that’s 100% foolproof on its own, either.
Why? Other than allowing piracy and home brew stuff what does this mean?
Cheating online is gonna be extremely easy since you can just run a cheat program as legitimate software.
That could snowball into people not buying any big competitive game on ps5 anymore.
Eh. Nintendo’s been bumfucked like this for the majority of the Switch lifespan. detecting and banning modded consoles is a cat and mouse game that favors the cat. Piracy favors the mouse, because piracy happens in your home on your hardware. Online play is you trying to play ball in Sony’s court.
Softmodded consoles probably won’t even be able to play online, let alone cheat online.
Ah ok. In my mind, sony wanted to sell consoles and a console in can hack is more interesting to me than before.
They are basically just computers now, I wasn’t getting why it was such a big deal.
Oh Sony is actually cooked now.
I give it a month before unlocked PS5s are everywhere, and maybe six months to an year before a full on PS5 emulator. Brazilians in general LOVE hacked consoles and pirated games, hell the PS2 and Xbox 360 were extremely popular here for that exact reason.
This is literally the Gol D. Roger Execution moment for us.
Sony isn’t even cooked, man. Piracy is a non issue to the bottom line. The Switch had this plus fully functional pirate installers in like, month 2 and Nintendo still sold a morbillion copies of TOTK despite all the hackable consoles on the market (and the maturity of emulators)
The GBA had a working emulator before it even came out.
It’s really not. Literally the same thing happened with the PS3, arguably that was much worse and it didn’t cook Sony at all.
Piracy never ever actually hurts big companies. Game consoles make their entire business on selling “just plug it in and click the prompts and play the game, ezpz” as a lifestyle. It doesn’t matter how fully hacked a console is or how easy it is to hack them, the percentage of users that’ll mod and pirate is always miniscule.
Look at sales numbers for Pokemon X and Y, which released when the 3DS was ironclad. Compare them to Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, which released when 3DS piracy required a $100 flashcart and an ancient system firmware with no downgrade route. Compare those to Pokémon Sun and Moon, which released when five minutes with an SD card and a magnet would let you pirate the game directly from Nintendo’s own fucking server, complete with fully functional online play. Notice a pattern? No you don’t, they all sold like hotcakes.
Every first party Nintendo game released after 2016 other than Super Mario Odyssey was available to pirates before legitimate buyers, until the Switch 2 came out. That entire near decade of Nintendo was exclusively releasing games for compromised platforms. Nintendo did pretty well financially during that period, I’d say. Wii piracy was trivial as soon as the Twilight Hack dropped, yet late life Wii games sold gangbusters. And on the Wii, pirates legitimately got a better product because they got to bypass the Wii’s dogshit DVD lens and disc load times. R4s and clones and upgrades existed for nearly the entire Nintendo DS lifespan. GBA games were playable on the PC before the console came out in the United States.
My dude, have you seen outside recently?
My dude, have you tried not being a cunt for no reason lately?
One paragraph later posts a picture of the xit.
Hell yeah
I just want to be able to back up my saves to usb
Why is it always game consoles that get these leaks and not like, phone firmware or gpu vbios
I think it’s just the amount of love for game consoles is much higher than phones, where people are a bit complacent.
I do agree it should happen more often.
Also there are SO many phones.
There’s only a few ps5s. I’m not sure if they share the same code that’s been leaked here but probably.
As someone else pointed out, there’s a shit ton of different phones. In 2012 alone, how many different “Samsung Galaxy …” did samsung release? Wikipedia lists 6
That’s 1 company, with 1 brand name in 1 year. Each with different hardware and as of late those phones have been harder and harder to even open. However, there’s a handful of models of “PS5” standard, slim, pro. They are also very easy to open requiring regular tools your average joe is likely to have, in fact sony encourages this in case you want to upgrade your SSD. It’s a lot harder to keep a system secure if the user can poke and prod the hardware, i mean the Wii’s security was literally beaten by tweezers
Consoles have extremely limited variations, less variables to mess with. A ps5 is a ps5, but a Samsung Galaxy 25 isn’t the same as a Samsung Galaxy FE25
But if Samsung’s firmware keys or whatever leaked, wouldn’t that apply to all of them? It’s not like they reinvent all their infrastructure for each phone.
Actually, I take it back. These things do happen in the mobile world, they’re just not released publicly. Celebrite etc just gobble them up
Their infrastructure likely enables individual keys for every model, it doesn’t need to change.
Ps5 pro, ps5 slim, ps5 digital edition? Nintendo Switch (Erista), Nintendo Switch (Mariko), Nintendo Switch OLED, Nintendo Switch Lite?
Even those variations have minimal or no overlap on store shelves. It’s still way fewer models to deal with regardless.
Good news, a new exploit has been recently found that can unlock the boot loader of several older Sony phones, even the Japanese models which were not unlockable until the discovery!
xperable - Xperia ABL fastboot Exploit [CVE-2021-1931]
hypothetically, could they use different keys for each hardware revision? that’d help limit the impact as not every existing console would be affected. you’d think they had a plan for this in place after the PS3 keys leaked and their multiple huge security breaches
Sony has no competition right now in their market so they will be fine. Besides the PS6 isn’t to far away.
So this means we can Homebrew the PS5 and install Linux??? Less go