What is their plan to provide long-term support? How long do they say they will support it? I had the FP1 and after a few years there were no more firmware updates from I think Qualcomm. Google eventually stopped supporting the chip for newer android versions, and fairphone didn’t have the resources to do it on their own. Then there was a major security vulnerability. I don’t remember which one, but basically remote code execution was possible just by visiting a website. With no updates for the FP1, it was unusable from then on for everything remotely private.
The hardware worked fine until the end, but this mess made it unusable. In comparison, my recently bought Pixel 9 gets updates until 2032.
PS: A ton of questions in the comments here can be resolved by a simple web search…
Google eventually stopped supporting the chip for newer android versions
The chip was made by MediaTek and Google just provides Android and usually no firmware support in the first place… So how exactly is this related to Google?
I don’t remember which one, but basically remote code execution was possible just by visiting a website
That sounds like a browser issue which is unrelated to the OS.
The hardware worked fine until the end, but this mess made it unusable.
Uhm what did you expect from a 1st generation smartphone made in 2013? That the software will always be up-to-date even 10 years later?
The chip was made by MediaTek and Google just provides Android and usually no firmware support in the first place… So how exactly is this related to Google?
Newer versions of Android were not available for the FP1. Older versions didn’t get the security updates. That was the issue.
That sounds like a browser issue which is unrelated to the OS.
No, it was not a browser issue. I don’t remember which one, maybe heartbleed, or any other of the famous vulnerabilities with a logo and a website.
Uhm what did you expect from a 1st generation smartphone made in 2013? That the software will always be up-to-date even 10 years later?
Well, that is exactly the claim, isn’t it? “The one that lasts” implies for me that it doesn’t randomly become unusable after a few years, even though the hardware is technically still fine. Smartphones have now reached a point of stagnating innovation. We already have most functionality we need, so it’s in theory a good time to produce phones that last until the hardware falls apart.
There was an announcement about QC extending SD 7 and 8 support for up to 8 years but they say it depends on the OEM. Maybe FP is part of that deal. Maybe not.
Now let’s look at the Pixel’s update support from another angle. The problem I see is that the hardware may not last that long in practice. Specifically due to the lack of parts or the prices for those parts. For example a replacement for my Pixel 8 Pro’s battery is currently CAD $160. That used to be $80 when I had a Pixel 5. The screen repair cost is very high. Over the year-and-a-half I’ve had it, its battery capacity has gone down to 92%. A battery I have almost never fast charged. If this degradation rate continues, it’ll need replacement by year 2-3 of the device life. That’ll be $160-200 for another 2-3 years. Then there’s the parts availability. The Pixel 6a, supported to 2027, has a fire-hazardous battery defect requiring battery replacement. Our extended family has a couple. We checked with the authorized repair shops and it turns out they no longer have those batteries. That’s 3 years into the device’s support lifespan. This means it’s quite plausibe that I won’t be able to replace my Pixel 8 Pro’s battery next year, let alone in the 6th year of its 7-year support lifespan. In other words that long of an update support is only meaningful if it’s supplanted by the necessary availability of parts, and ideally the ability to replace them without specialized tools. I’ve tried replacing a Pixel battery in the past and I broke a screen. I’m sure I can get the hang of it if I had the requisite hot plates, high end suction cups and a few spare devices to practice, but that’s not practical for most users.
Yes, good point. One time I got a replacement battery for my FP1 at no costs IIRC. On the hardware side it’s definitely an advantage to have replaceable parts.
Hahaha, it’s always fun to find rude people who are wrong. “Android is a trademark of Google LLC. It is used to refer to the operating system and related products developed by Google”. /e/OS is based on LineageOS, which is itself based on AOSP. The fact he differentiated /e/OS to Android does make sense, since Android refers to the stock version, which is cluttered with Google stuff.
If only your knew AOSP itself stands for Android open source Project. And since „Googles” Android is based on AOSP too, and dosent do much except adding modules to the root system, an Android system with Google Framework added is still just as much an android system as an AOSP system is if I added Seedvault to its root environment.
In other words, Googles Android is still based on AOSP, so something based on AOSP is still as much Android as something based on googles fork of ANDROID.
But let’s view it from a slang standpoint:
Since, as far as I can tell, your view of what is AOSP and what is android is based on if its Root environment was modified.
If we look at it that way, Samsung’s OneUI is not Android, too. Xiaomis whatever is not Android too. But still people are calling Samsung an android phone. Same as with everything else.
Also, your use of Patent Laws to determine what is and isn’t called what is completely unsolicited, since it is completely unable to catch many cases such as AOSP, WHICH BTW HAS EXISTED BEFORE GOOGLE BOUGHT IT.
So your „ummm, akschually” response doesn’t only make you a shill for the corrupt patent laws which are not only discouraging innovation, but oppressing indie teams making the said innovation, such as in the case Palworld, but your answer dosent even take the current social usage of what is and Isn’t android into consideration.
Super cool story bro. Doesn’t change the fact that everyone immediately knew what OP was talking about, where as you prefer to keep everything obscure.
I am well aware of what AOSP stands for, but what you say doesn’t really make sense. OneUI, MIUI, etc are all derivatives of Google’s Android i.e. all come with Google Play Services installed as a system app. So, however you might frame it, it is still in fact a sensible thing to use the term “Android” to refer to “Stock Android” with Google when talking about these topics. Moreover, this is also very useful to make it clear to people who are not aware of the intricacies of AOSP how some operating systems DO NOT depend on Google services. You can see this being used by companies like Tutanota on how to “Degoogle your life”. The simply put, as a replacement for Android, CalyxOS, /e/OS, LineageOS, etc.
Despite these being AOSP based ROMs, using Android to refer to google based systems and AOSP to refer to independent ROMs that do not come with Google Play Services by default is VERY useful to make the point come accross. If you don’t believe me, look at any popular news media source that talks about GrapheneOS, for example.
PD: I still believe the fact that Android is a patented trademark of Google gives validity to the expression, regardless of how one might feel about patent law.
This thread is like the Simpsons gag blowing dust off the book title “How to cook [for(ty)] humans”, except everyone’s an asshole and I also learned several things. Upvotes all around!!
I haven’t used my phone’s USB port for anything but charging for at least over a decade so I hadn’t even checked the port speed before or after buying.
I was speaking in general terms. Cloud storage is one solution. You photos are usually automatically uploaded. The most convenient solution for Android is probably Google Photos.
I use Syncthing, which can be setup on the Camera folder and only enabled when on wifi and power. Every night, my new photos are uploaded to a file server at home and then spread to all other devices.
Syncthing can also be setup to remove files from any device, just like how Dropbox and other such cloud storage services work. You can use this to keep the phone clean by moving the files out of the synced Camera folder on any other device. In my case, I also have a way larger Photos folder which will only sync to devices with more storage.
When the phone storage is staring to fill, I clean up/edit the new photos in the Camera folder - on a desktop computer - and then move them over.
Don’t forget to also backup your files! If you make a mistake on one device, you may wipe the files on all devices 😱
I will look into Syncthing thank you. Yes I have twice-redundant backups for my work already so I will do the same for this. I need to take a weekend at some point to set this up. Cheers !!
I back up my important images to an external SSD because I don’t want to rely on cloud backup, plus I shuffle around quite a few audiobooks, game roms and ebook collections from time to time. Having faster speeds with that does add up.
I also use Desktop mode quite a lot (my previous phone was a Moto G100 so it had Moto Ready For) and now that a universal Desktop mode is announced for Android 16 I would be quite annoyed if I couldn’t use it just due to hardware limitation. The current Desktop mode preview on GrapheneOS isn’t 100% functional yet either, but at least I know that I will get it working eventually 😄
Most people? Where do you live? Somewhere in the remote African hinterland? (No disrespect) I’m having a hard time thinking of someone I know who doesn’t have a computer.
I don’t eat breakfast. Been doing intermittent fasting for as long as I can remember. Surviving on 2 meals a day, one at lunch and a smaller one at early dinner.
Would love to do it but my heartburn literally prevents me from doing this. I have to eat or drink something small every few hours or it feels like an alien chestburster is about to fuck me up.
If possible, you should get a doctor to treat it. Untreated it could get worse. I improved after a few months of PPIs and avoided surgery. I’d do surgery if PPIs didn’t help. Nissen fundoplication has a very high success rate and it’s durable.
Edit: Apparantly actual humans made this nonsense “meme”. I’m losing faith in modern society… the future is just gonna be weird “skibidi”-type nonsense 🤦♂️
I mean I am all for AI hate but people just label anything AI nowadays. In this case it quite obviously shows at least 2 people are familiar with the nonsense joke. The least you could do is search the term on the web and see if it is something.
I don’t know about making fun of a dialect, but it’s not quite utter nonsense - “oven” sounds like “of in”, so it can be interpreted to mean that it shouldn’t be called oven, because when you put the food in it’s cold, you only eat it when taking the food out, when it’s hot.
The sentence structure is so absurdly wrong it makes me wonder if somebody was genuinely trying to make a pun and ended up with that, or if it was intentionally butchered.
It’s “of out hot” and “eat the food” - if we interpret “of in” (derived from “oven”) to be putting in the food, then “of out” would mean to take the food out, and thus “of out hot” would mean you take it out hot, and eat it
Honest question, what do you use your phone for? High refresh rates and stuff like that are nice but what are people actually using their ram and storage for?
RAM helps with multitasking, storage lets you store more stuff (I treat my phone basically as a PC-lite), and good SoC is needed for computational photography. So yeah
I have the 500GB version of the note 20 and have almost completely filled it.
I sync certain folders across all of my devices which is especially useful when i’m planning travel and actually travelling. it also means i can save photos and access and share them across all of my devices.
As for RAM I am extremely selective about what i install on my device, i prune applications regularly and flat out refuse to use apps for services where webapps are available. That in mind, my RAM on my 12GB phone is currently about 75% in use.
I do also watch media on my phone occasionally, especially on flights. the screen on the note20 ultra is very nice for that.
I’ll give a short overview of my experience with the phone thus far. In general, I’m pretty happy with it. For now it’s adequately snappy. It does lag in some apps and has some odd behavior (YouTube seems to lock the refresh rate to 60 as soon as any preview starts playing, even if it’s off screen, making scrolling not as smooth), but in general the responsiveness of the phone itself is very good. They have some annoying bugs. For example, they still haven’t fixed the screen being locked to like 10Hz when unlocking the phone sometimes. But, in general, it hasn’t really been a problem, have been using it without much issue. The most annoying part has to be the positioning of the volume buttons, for me at least. They’re positioned on the left side of the phone, directly opposite to the power button, so I’m constantly taking accidental screenshots. It’s extremely annoying, and I don’t understand why they decided to put it there. As someone else mentioned, there are tiny gaps between the screen and the frame, as well as some other seams, so some dead skin gets in there making the phone look a bit dirty, but it isn’t too bad. Double tap to wake is pretty bad, it often doesn’t register double taps properly, and it often gets accidentally activated in my pocket, making the phone try to dial emergency services, forcing me to disable it.
While I have been quite critical when listing the faults, in general I’m still happy with the phone. I was actually surprised by the camera. It’s nothing special, but I expected it to be worse. However, it has much beter performance than I expected, especially in low light, just that the zoom is very bad since it doesn’t have an optical zoom lense. It does what I need it to while being more repairable and from a more ethical company, so if you need a mid range phone, and don’t mind minor inconveniences, I’d recommend it.
For now it seems to work, but I now have a different issue, the fingerprint scanner doesn’t work when I unlock my phone sometimes, which never happened before. Weird
I’m european, so for me it’s easier to buy it, however I’m sad about the fact that mid range phones are now 600€ or whatever.
That is a new low for consumers…
I mean, this one is 600€ because it’s from a small, low volume company, is highly repairable and invests in a bit more ethical materials. You can still find decent midrange phones for e.g. 300€. My friend got a Xiaomi, idk which one exactly, for 300€, and its performance is about on par with my Fairphone.
Totally. I would much rather buy a Fairphone TBH, I don’t think it’s such a high price to pay for what it’s offering, but I guess phone prices are not what they used to be anyways.
I gave up waiting for fairphone releasing the newest phone for purchase in the USA so I went with a pixel because I saw a deal for it. I guess the USA market isn’t as important to them.
If you enable developer settings by tapping the version number in, about settings 5-7 times you can enable “show refresh rate” and see how it changes in real time.
I use Lawnchair. The animations are okay. The same imperfect animations as on my Pixel.
Good to know.
E: Actually I think the back animation is a bit more broken for some apps.
I guess some things can be broken more or less. Thanks for the response.
Consider doing a longterm review in the future when use the phone for longer than a few months.
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Why is this post FILLED with AI not comments? Are the corpo platforms so bitter about federated they want to just poison it?
I thought people were just trolling since OP said “Ask me anything”, are they really bots? 🤔
Eh, 50% of the internet is fake anyways, not too surprising if this is the case.
Wait…am I fake?
For real, I think the question about “should I eat a whole chocolate cake” sort of opened the flood gates to people asking anything.
Meanwhile, OP said ask them anything - they answered like 3 questions. Answers were never promised, just the ability to ask anything.
What is their plan to provide long-term support? How long do they say they will support it? I had the FP1 and after a few years there were no more firmware updates from I think Qualcomm. Google eventually stopped supporting the chip for newer android versions, and fairphone didn’t have the resources to do it on their own. Then there was a major security vulnerability. I don’t remember which one, but basically remote code execution was possible just by visiting a website. With no updates for the FP1, it was unusable from then on for everything remotely private.
The hardware worked fine until the end, but this mess made it unusable. In comparison, my recently bought Pixel 9 gets updates until 2032.
Fairphone 6 will get updates until at least 2033
PS: A ton of questions in the comments here can be resolved by a simple web search…
The chip was made by MediaTek and Google just provides Android and usually no firmware support in the first place… So how exactly is this related to Google?
That sounds like a browser issue which is unrelated to the OS.
Uhm what did you expect from a 1st generation smartphone made in 2013? That the software will always be up-to-date even 10 years later?
Newer versions of Android were not available for the FP1. Older versions didn’t get the security updates. That was the issue.
No, it was not a browser issue. I don’t remember which one, maybe heartbleed, or any other of the famous vulnerabilities with a logo and a website.
Well, that is exactly the claim, isn’t it? “The one that lasts” implies for me that it doesn’t randomly become unusable after a few years, even though the hardware is technically still fine. Smartphones have now reached a point of stagnating innovation. We already have most functionality we need, so it’s in theory a good time to produce phones that last until the hardware falls apart.
Good question.
There was an announcement about QC extending SD 7 and 8 support for up to 8 years but they say it depends on the OEM. Maybe FP is part of that deal. Maybe not.
Now let’s look at the Pixel’s update support from another angle. The problem I see is that the hardware may not last that long in practice. Specifically due to the lack of parts or the prices for those parts. For example a replacement for my Pixel 8 Pro’s battery is currently CAD $160. That used to be $80 when I had a Pixel 5. The screen repair cost is very high. Over the year-and-a-half I’ve had it, its battery capacity has gone down to 92%. A battery I have almost never fast charged. If this degradation rate continues, it’ll need replacement by year 2-3 of the device life. That’ll be $160-200 for another 2-3 years. Then there’s the parts availability. The Pixel 6a, supported to 2027, has a fire-hazardous battery defect requiring battery replacement. Our extended family has a couple. We checked with the authorized repair shops and it turns out they no longer have those batteries. That’s 3 years into the device’s support lifespan. This means it’s quite plausibe that I won’t be able to replace my Pixel 8 Pro’s battery next year, let alone in the 6th year of its 7-year support lifespan. In other words that long of an update support is only meaningful if it’s supplanted by the necessary availability of parts, and ideally the ability to replace them without specialized tools. I’ve tried replacing a Pixel battery in the past and I broke a screen. I’m sure I can get the hang of it if I had the requisite hot plates, high end suction cups and a few spare devices to practice, but that’s not practical for most users.
Yes, good point. One time I got a replacement battery for my FP1 at no costs IIRC. On the hardware side it’s definitely an advantage to have replaceable parts.
yeah it’s not like google ever abandoned any projects
Unlike FP, Google at least Manages to provide security updates that are not more than 1,5 months old or even more
And that is for the FP5, since launch day.
Will you use a photo of a rabbit as background image?
Are you running /e/OS or Android?
How are the OS speeds?
How is the camera?
How is the Bluetooth audio quality?
Are you using the phone inside or outside the EU?
If using inside the US, how is the cellular service?
Any flaws you can see now, and any cool aspects?
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Hahaha, it’s always fun to find rude people who are wrong. “Android is a trademark of Google LLC. It is used to refer to the operating system and related products developed by Google”. /e/OS is based on LineageOS, which is itself based on AOSP. The fact he differentiated /e/OS to Android does make sense, since Android refers to the stock version, which is cluttered with Google stuff.
If only your knew AOSP itself stands for Android open source Project. And since „Googles” Android is based on AOSP too, and dosent do much except adding modules to the root system, an Android system with Google Framework added is still just as much an android system as an AOSP system is if I added Seedvault to its root environment.
In other words, Googles Android is still based on AOSP, so something based on AOSP is still as much Android as something based on googles fork of ANDROID.
But let’s view it from a slang standpoint:
Since, as far as I can tell, your view of what is AOSP and what is android is based on if its Root environment was modified.
If we look at it that way, Samsung’s OneUI is not Android, too. Xiaomis whatever is not Android too. But still people are calling Samsung an android phone. Same as with everything else.
Also, your use of Patent Laws to determine what is and isn’t called what is completely unsolicited, since it is completely unable to catch many cases such as AOSP, WHICH BTW HAS EXISTED BEFORE GOOGLE BOUGHT IT.
So your „ummm, akschually” response doesn’t only make you a shill for the corrupt patent laws which are not only discouraging innovation, but oppressing indie teams making the said innovation, such as in the case Palworld, but your answer dosent even take the current social usage of what is and Isn’t android into consideration.
Super cool story bro. Doesn’t change the fact that everyone immediately knew what OP was talking about, where as you prefer to keep everything obscure.
I am well aware of what AOSP stands for, but what you say doesn’t really make sense. OneUI, MIUI, etc are all derivatives of Google’s Android i.e. all come with Google Play Services installed as a system app. So, however you might frame it, it is still in fact a sensible thing to use the term “Android” to refer to “Stock Android” with Google when talking about these topics. Moreover, this is also very useful to make it clear to people who are not aware of the intricacies of AOSP how some operating systems DO NOT depend on Google services. You can see this being used by companies like Tutanota on how to “Degoogle your life”. The simply put, as a replacement for Android, CalyxOS, /e/OS, LineageOS, etc. Despite these being AOSP based ROMs, using Android to refer to google based systems and AOSP to refer to independent ROMs that do not come with Google Play Services by default is VERY useful to make the point come accross. If you don’t believe me, look at any popular news media source that talks about GrapheneOS, for example.
PD: I still believe the fact that Android is a patented trademark of Google gives validity to the expression, regardless of how one might feel about patent law.
How old are you? Should you be in class or something?
Serious question, does being rude make you feel better?
To be honest, im kinda into torturing others, so that could be Kind of my other fetish to be honest
So you’re putting your fetish on others without their consent? Gross.
Its less of a fetisch, and more just an urge. Its just my Psychosis, I guess
This thread is like the Simpsons gag blowing dust off the book title “How to cook [for(ty)] humans”, except everyone’s an asshole and I also learned several things. Upvotes all around!!
Didn’t know that. It’s always been marketed as its own separate OS. Thanks for being an asshole!
Thanks
/e/ is a degoogled fork of Android, just like Calyx or Graphene.
Thanks for educating and not berating
Was the downgrade to USB-C 2.0 noticeable to you so far? As in, with the slower data transfer speed or lack of Display output?
It’s the main reason why I ended up going with a Pixel 9 pro instead of Fairphone 6 when getting a new phone a few months ago
I haven’t used my phone’s USB port for anything but charging for at least over a decade so I hadn’t even checked the port speed before or after buying.
USB 2 ? no way. My camera backups would take weeks on USB 2 speeds. Probably faster over local network
You do data transfer over USB? The only time I’ve connected the usb cable to transfer data is to mess around with adb.
Try LocalSend, its pretty amazing. There are several alternatives too if it isn’t to your liking.
I do use it ! but never tried to benchmark it compared to usb. It just might be faster
The trick is to automate the transfer so that there is never that much to transfer. Transfer speed doesn’t matter as much then.
Ah, I don’t know how to do that. How would you go about it ?
I was speaking in general terms. Cloud storage is one solution. You photos are usually automatically uploaded. The most convenient solution for Android is probably Google Photos.
I use Syncthing, which can be setup on the Camera folder and only enabled when on wifi and power. Every night, my new photos are uploaded to a file server at home and then spread to all other devices.
Syncthing can also be setup to remove files from any device, just like how Dropbox and other such cloud storage services work. You can use this to keep the phone clean by moving the files out of the synced Camera folder on any other device. In my case, I also have a way larger Photos folder which will only sync to devices with more storage.
When the phone storage is staring to fill, I clean up/edit the new photos in the Camera folder - on a desktop computer - and then move them over.
Don’t forget to also backup your files! If you make a mistake on one device, you may wipe the files on all devices 😱
I will look into Syncthing thank you. Yes I have twice-redundant backups for my work already so I will do the same for this. I need to take a weekend at some point to set this up. Cheers !!
Wait wtf. This kills transfer speeds to portable SSDs.
Lame-ass decision, welp, never considering a fairphone untill they start making better decisions.
What is the use-case for fast USB transfer to/from a smart phone?
Are you using your phone as a computing platform / data transfer device? Just honestly curious why this is a showstopper for you.
I back up my important images to an external SSD because I don’t want to rely on cloud backup, plus I shuffle around quite a few audiobooks, game roms and ebook collections from time to time. Having faster speeds with that does add up.
I also use Desktop mode quite a lot (my previous phone was a Moto G100 so it had Moto Ready For) and now that a universal Desktop mode is announced for Android 16 I would be quite annoyed if I couldn’t use it just due to hardware limitation. The current Desktop mode preview on GrapheneOS isn’t 100% functional yet either, but at least I know that I will get it working eventually 😄
I use my phone as my main computer.
In fact, most people don’t really have a desktop/laptop computer anymore, its just their one smartphone
Most people? Where do you live? Somewhere in the remote African hinterland? (No disrespect) I’m having a hard time thinking of someone I know who doesn’t have a computer.
I mean, you’ll be able to upgrade the usb port later, but I get your issue.
How many people transfer files from a phone to a portable SSD? Not that many. That’s also probably why the feature was cut in the first place.
Fun Fact: The FP5 (predecessor) has USB3 but it’s effectively useless for file transfer as the internal storage has USB2 like speeds.
I do that regularly, with internal storage of 512 GB and higher, write speed to external devices is not unimportant at the very least.
Though with wifi 6 and higher you can get a decent throughput via ftp as well.
Ethernet over USB, too
And even just regular file transfers. I got used to passing files over KDE Connect because fucking WiFi is faster than the USB 2.0 on my phone.
Unfortunately, only works with the “Share” or “Send to” rather than file browser which for some reason caps out at 5MB/s.
What did you have for breakfast this morning?
I don’t eat breakfast. Been doing intermittent fasting for as long as I can remember. Surviving on 2 meals a day, one at lunch and a smaller one at early dinner.
Would love to do it but my heartburn literally prevents me from doing this. I have to eat or drink something small every few hours or it feels like an alien chestburster is about to fuck me up.
If possible, you should get a doctor to treat it. Untreated it could get worse. I improved after a few months of PPIs and avoided surgery. I’d do surgery if PPIs didn’t help. Nissen fundoplication has a very high success rate and it’s durable.
That sucks.
What’s your favorite dinosaur?
☺️ Ducks 🦆
Delicious AND waterproof!
Do you use google maps in the browser?
Why do they call it oven when you of in the cold food of out hot eat the food?
This is a truly cursed sentence and it makes my brain hurt.
T H I C C
Am I having a stroke?
I can’t tell if this is making fun of a specific dialect or just utter fucking nonsense
Ai generated nonsense lol
Edit: Apparantly actual humans made this nonsense “meme”. I’m losing faith in modern society… the future is just gonna be weird “skibidi”-type nonsense 🤦♂️
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/why-do-they-call-it-oven
I’m none the wiser after reading that
At least you now have context.
I had hoped Lemmy mods would stay on top of stuff like that and ban bot accounts.
Ok boomer /s
Actually am Gen Z, the older Gen Z, I hate how this “skibidi” cringe shit and “tik tok” ruined the image of the “Gen Z”.
How are you older gen z and never heard of this meme?
Also what do you define as older gen z?
This joke is way older than LLMs becoming mainstream.
It’s sad that people keep calling non-AI generated stuff as AI-generated. Us humans are perfectly capable of nonsense too!
I hate that LLMs are going to permanently change culture in such ways, even if they’re not directly part of a thing
I mean I am all for AI hate but people just label anything AI nowadays. In this case it quite obviously shows at least 2 people are familiar with the nonsense joke. The least you could do is search the term on the web and see if it is something.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/why-do-they-call-it-oven
I don’t know about making fun of a dialect, but it’s not quite utter nonsense - “oven” sounds like “of in”, so it can be interpreted to mean that it shouldn’t be called oven, because when you put the food in it’s cold, you only eat it when taking the food out, when it’s hot.
The sentence structure is so absurdly wrong it makes me wonder if somebody was genuinely trying to make a pun and ended up with that, or if it was intentionally butchered.
“of out hot eat the food” is definitely nonsense. I understand the joke, but “hot eat the food” doesn’t make sense.
It’s “of out hot” and “eat the food” - if we interpret “of in” (derived from “oven”) to be putting in the food, then “of out” would mean to take the food out, and thus “of out hot” would mean you take it out hot, and eat it
Best to be offended just in case.
I want to like these. I compared the specs though and my note 20 ultra from half a decade ago still blow these out of the water in terms of specs.
I want a high end repairable phone
Honest question, what do you use your phone for? High refresh rates and stuff like that are nice but what are people actually using their ram and storage for?
RAM helps with multitasking, storage lets you store more stuff (I treat my phone basically as a PC-lite), and good SoC is needed for computational photography. So yeah
Collecting anime girl pngs from slot machines like everyone else
I have the 500GB version of the note 20 and have almost completely filled it.
I sync certain folders across all of my devices which is especially useful when i’m planning travel and actually travelling. it also means i can save photos and access and share them across all of my devices.
As for RAM I am extremely selective about what i install on my device, i prune applications regularly and flat out refuse to use apps for services where webapps are available. That in mind, my RAM on my 12GB phone is currently about 75% in use.
I do also watch media on my phone occasionally, especially on flights. the screen on the note20 ultra is very nice for that.
Its like asking for audio jack in iPhone. Never going to happen.
Well, not without Da Revolushun
I’ll give a short overview of my experience with the phone thus far. In general, I’m pretty happy with it. For now it’s adequately snappy. It does lag in some apps and has some odd behavior (YouTube seems to lock the refresh rate to 60 as soon as any preview starts playing, even if it’s off screen, making scrolling not as smooth), but in general the responsiveness of the phone itself is very good. They have some annoying bugs. For example, they still haven’t fixed the screen being locked to like 10Hz when unlocking the phone sometimes. But, in general, it hasn’t really been a problem, have been using it without much issue. The most annoying part has to be the positioning of the volume buttons, for me at least. They’re positioned on the left side of the phone, directly opposite to the power button, so I’m constantly taking accidental screenshots. It’s extremely annoying, and I don’t understand why they decided to put it there. As someone else mentioned, there are tiny gaps between the screen and the frame, as well as some other seams, so some dead skin gets in there making the phone look a bit dirty, but it isn’t too bad. Double tap to wake is pretty bad, it often doesn’t register double taps properly, and it often gets accidentally activated in my pocket, making the phone try to dial emergency services, forcing me to disable it.
While I have been quite critical when listing the faults, in general I’m still happy with the phone. I was actually surprised by the camera. It’s nothing special, but I expected it to be worse. However, it has much beter performance than I expected, especially in low light, just that the zoom is very bad since it doesn’t have an optical zoom lense. It does what I need it to while being more repairable and from a more ethical company, so if you need a mid range phone, and don’t mind minor inconveniences, I’d recommend it.
I also have had the 10hz stutter issue. But I tried this and for now it does not seem to occur anymore https://forum.fairphone.com/t/fp6-refresh-rate-dropping-seemingly-random/119947/44
I’ll try it out, thanks!
For now it seems to work, but I now have a different issue, the fingerprint scanner doesn’t work when I unlock my phone sometimes, which never happened before. Weird
I’m european, so for me it’s easier to buy it, however I’m sad about the fact that mid range phones are now 600€ or whatever. That is a new low for consumers…
I mean, this one is 600€ because it’s from a small, low volume company, is highly repairable and invests in a bit more ethical materials. You can still find decent midrange phones for e.g. 300€. My friend got a Xiaomi, idk which one exactly, for 300€, and its performance is about on par with my Fairphone.
Totally. I would much rather buy a Fairphone TBH, I don’t think it’s such a high price to pay for what it’s offering, but I guess phone prices are not what they used to be anyways.
I gave up waiting for fairphone releasing the newest phone for purchase in the USA so I went with a pixel because I saw a deal for it. I guess the USA market isn’t as important to them.
Preliminary battery testing results:
During this first discharge session, I’ve installed apps, transferred data, posted all my comments here, etc. All on WiFi.
what is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
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Coconuts of course.
Naturally.
Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?
Fairphones.
He doesn’t even swallow. He spits.
Swallow, come!
food or nest building materials
African or European?
how do you know so much about swallows?
Does the LTPO display work and save battery by dialing down the refresh rate to 1hz when idle for 24/30hz when playing videos?
Also, do casual games support 120fps like pocket rogues, quest of wizard, etc.
Last question, is the animation experince good with 3rd party launchers like Niagara, Smart launcher 6, Lawnchair?
No idea on the LTPO and refresh rates. Don’t play games. I set it to 60Hz, it defaults to 90Hz.
I use Lawnchair. The animations are okay. The same imperfect animations as on my Pixel.
E: Actually I think the back animation is a bit more broken for some apps.
If you enable developer settings by tapping the version number in, about settings 5-7 times you can enable “show refresh rate” and see how it changes in real time.
Good to know.
I guess some things can be broken more or less. Thanks for the response.
Consider doing a longterm review in the future when use the phone for longer than a few months.