Yeah. As soon as I posted this I started thinking through that and realized that I’m completely wrong. It may actually be better for anyone to have China spy on them. In fact, especially USA citizens.
Or by a government committing genocide on subsets of it’s citizens? A government that has disappeared citizens for decades for bit falling in line? Yeah, the US does that now too but at least it’s just starting. At least the US has had some sort of free press until recently. Good luck with any of that in China
Also, you missed the part where I said that nobody should be able to spy on me, we need open source hardware. That is the much bigger point. The US and China both suck, I don’t want to have to deal with either
Oh come on, really now? Uyghurs. Let’s start there?
And yes, all that is happening, and no, China is notoriously NOT cooperating, and yes, they have a reach as even uyghurs in Europe are followed when they try and speak out.
None of this is controversial, this is well established. Then again you’re one of those “I did my research, I read a Facebook page!” type skeptics that always come up with these weird requirements that can’t be met before you’ll believe anything that doesn’t match your warped world view.
China is committing genocide on Uyghurs, that is established fact. If you don’t want to believe that, fine, but I would like to let you know that I have a bridge I can sell you at great discount!
Sure, I can give you sources but just your “prove it beyond reasonable doubt” tells me that it doesn’t matter what I give you, you won’t even read it, you just want “China great”
I mean, I have no problem whatsoever with seeing that the US is fucking evil, because it is. Yet for you, the mere notion that China might not be the perfect paradise seems impossible to grasp
Makes me wonder, are you one of those Chinese government funded shills?
I’ll send you reading materials if you like but I honestly doubt you have any interest in expanding your knowledge at al.
ipad was released and it was too expensive.
i remember my first chineese tablet.
i bought a small tablet from aliexpress. its not great or terrible now they are really good. so they will cath im sure.
There are several independent reviews confirming the performance figures
These GPUs are widely available to a global market
Even then, we can see with modern trends that Nvidia maintains a passive market lead because they are the default choice because they have a market lead, because they are the default choice, ad infinitum
As we saw with Intel GPUs performance isn’t even the main issue, it’s the drivers. How many games will run on it without crashing or having bizarre performance problems?
There isn’t a real difference between AI and Gaming. For example 3090 is supposedly a gaming GPU, but is great for training/fine-tuning stable diffusion models.
Yeah that’s mentioned in the article, hopefully the new run is representative of an overall improved software situation and they’re not specifically targeting geekbench results.
But then I guess even if they are targeting geekbench then this run is representative of the performance of the GPU if they’re able to optimize for specific games anyways.
Even if China were doing that, what would they do with the information? Nothing, because they don’t give a shit about you, because you’re on the other side of the planet. They’re not doing that because they’re not cartoon villains wasting their time and effort on nefarious plots against Western randos.
Also, almost all of your current hardware came from China, so I guess you’re not actually that worried about it.
Don’t worry, the US govt will proudly sell the opportunity for palantir or some other bullshit AI surveillance company to embed spyware into your hardware to ensure you’re not a terrorist*
GPUs being able to spy on you is a problem. Linux and OSs should work on ways to minimise this possibility. But specifically worrying about them ratting you out to the CPC is in my opinion much less serious than spying on you for commercial interests. Ultimately it’s possible to avoid visiting China if you aren’t Chinese. Including Chinese websites.
wait what? you can’t possibly be this imbecile, really? You’re insinuating that China, the main target of Trump tariffs and warmongering, is responsible for Trump? 😭
Even if they traced your CPC complaints, they’re literally so far away from you to even matter while the US is literally next to you and has threatened to annex you ffs 😂 assuming you’re canadian, by your instance
Given the option, I prefer US spying over Chinese spying. Yes, the US, with all its shit, is still better than China since there still is (just a little) more transparent than China.
Having said that, why not neither? Can we please already start having open source hardware?
In a democracy most people get what they want most of the time. Do you honestly believe that people in the US want to go bankrupt every time they need healthcare?
A democracy is the people voting lol. You also get what you vote for, some people vote against themselves. Nice thing about China is the state knows best and you dont need to vote :)
Why would I work for free for the Chinese government or any other government? My Arab country gives me free education, healthcare and subsidized eggs and I still don’t support it uncritically. It’s far more logical and reasonable to attribute your fear of China to racism and chauvinism, and is consistent with what I have seen from your culture, media and politics over the years.
I think that Snowden (and other leakers) would argue that the US is much much less transparent. Though it is best to just assume that all major govs are spying on everyone (even if it makes an ass out of u and me). Though we can agree on open source hardware.
Snowden? The guy living in Russia because he likes genocidal Putin better?
Yeah I’m sorry, I’m not a fan.
Also, can you guys please stop defending China? I’m not defending the US, it’s a shit show, it’s always been a shit show. Well, at least for the past 5 decades or so. China too, is an absolute shit show and has been that for much, much longer.
For all its many many many MANY faults; in the US at least I can still write “fuck the Cheeto Trump” and be sure I won’t get a visit from state police. I know, trump will make sure that the US becomes more like China soon, but I fucking double dare you to live in China and make a post every day about how xi is winnie Pooh and how tiananmen square was a massacre back in the 90s
Been running Yeston 2gb gpus with AMD chips for a while with no problem. I’d buy the same with SMIC chips as long as a) it lowers the price b) has Linux drivers c) works with Ryzen CPUs.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
This is the official technology community of Lemmy.ml for all news related to creation and use of technology, and to facilitate civil, meaningful discussion around it.
Ask in DM before posting product reviews or ads. All such posts otherwise are subject to removal.
Rules:
1: All Lemmy rules apply
2: Do not post low effort posts
3: NEVER post naziped*gore stuff
4: Always post article URLs or their archived version URLs as sources, NOT screenshots. Help the blind users.
5: personal rants of Big Tech CEOs like Elon Musk are unwelcome (does not include posts about their companies affecting wide range of people)
6: no advertisement posts unless verified as legitimate and non-exploitative/non-consumerist
7: crypto related posts, unless essential, are disallowed
I built a PC earlier this year which should last me a long, long time. I fully expect my next one to come almost entirely from China
Yeah no, i still prefer being spied on by the US over being spied on by China.
Better yet, get me a computer that has only open source hardware, one that I can finally call my own
Why? The US spying on you has far more likely to actually affect you
deleted by creator
That depends on where you hold a citizenship
deleted by creator
Name the country that it would be better to be spied on by the US than by China in.
Yeah. As soon as I posted this I started thinking through that and realized that I’m completely wrong. It may actually be better for anyone to have China spy on them. In fact, especially USA citizens.
Or by a government committing genocide on subsets of it’s citizens? A government that has disappeared citizens for decades for bit falling in line? Yeah, the US does that now too but at least it’s just starting. At least the US has had some sort of free press until recently. Good luck with any of that in China
Also, you missed the part where I said that nobody should be able to spy on me, we need open source hardware. That is the much bigger point. The US and China both suck, I don’t want to have to deal with either
deleted by creator
Oh come on, really now? Uyghurs. Let’s start there?
And yes, all that is happening, and no, China is notoriously NOT cooperating, and yes, they have a reach as even uyghurs in Europe are followed when they try and speak out.
None of this is controversial, this is well established. Then again you’re one of those “I did my research, I read a Facebook page!” type skeptics that always come up with these weird requirements that can’t be met before you’ll believe anything that doesn’t match your warped world view.
China is committing genocide on Uyghurs, that is established fact. If you don’t want to believe that, fine, but I would like to let you know that I have a bridge I can sell you at great discount!
deleted by creator
Sure, I can give you sources but just your “prove it beyond reasonable doubt” tells me that it doesn’t matter what I give you, you won’t even read it, you just want “China great”
I mean, I have no problem whatsoever with seeing that the US is fucking evil, because it is. Yet for you, the mere notion that China might not be the perfect paradise seems impossible to grasp
Makes me wonder, are you one of those Chinese government funded shills?
I’ll send you reading materials if you like but I honestly doubt you have any interest in expanding your knowledge at al.
Westerners continue to be the most propagandised people on the planet
It always did ;)
ipad was released and it was too expensive. i remember my first chineese tablet. i bought a small tablet from aliexpress. its not great or terrible now they are really good. so they will cath im sure.
Unfortunately this is irrelevant unless
There are several independent reviews confirming the performance figures
These GPUs are widely available to a global market
Even then, we can see with modern trends that Nvidia maintains a passive market lead because they are the default choice because they have a market lead, because they are the default choice, ad infinitum
A few years ago you could’ve said exact same thing about BYD and Tesla.
Tesla is crap though.
They are, but they used to be considered the gold standard for EVs. Then Chinese companies ramped up production and left Tesla in the dust.
deleted by creator
Byd destroys Tesla’s quality, but then again, any brand does, Tesla is rock bottom
As we saw with Intel GPUs performance isn’t even the main issue, it’s the drivers. How many games will run on it without crashing or having bizarre performance problems?
gamers rise up
Hell yeag! If China manages to at least put pressure on Nvidia and AMD it would already be great.
Huawei had Ascend gpus for a while, so I would not call this the first.
Aren’t those AI chips, as opposed to gaming GPUs?
There isn’t a real difference between AI and Gaming. For example 3090 is supposedly a gaming GPU, but is great for training/fine-tuning stable diffusion models.
Geekbench did some testing a month ago, and came up with ‘comparable to a gtx 660.’
Yeah that’s mentioned in the article, hopefully the new run is representative of an overall improved software situation and they’re not specifically targeting geekbench results.
But then I guess even if they are targeting geekbench then this run is representative of the performance of the GPU if they’re able to optimize for specific games anyways.
deleted by creator
Also don’t worry about the spyware tracing everything negative you might say about the CPC…
Even if China were doing that, what would they do with the information? Nothing, because they don’t give a shit about you, because you’re on the other side of the planet. They’re not doing that because they’re not cartoon villains wasting their time and effort on nefarious plots against Western randos.
Also, almost all of your current hardware came from China, so I guess you’re not actually that worried about it.
Don’t worry, the US govt will proudly sell the opportunity for palantir or some other bullshit AI surveillance company to embed spyware into your hardware to ensure you’re not a terrorist*
*someone critical of the trump regime
Thank you for taking your valuable time away from huffing gas to grace us with your deep and profound insights.
GPUs being able to spy on you is a problem. Linux and OSs should work on ways to minimise this possibility. But specifically worrying about them ratting you out to the CPC is in my opinion much less serious than spying on you for commercial interests. Ultimately it’s possible to avoid visiting China if you aren’t Chinese. Including Chinese websites.
Even if that were true, it’d be better than spyware tracing everything to the US Empire. What’s China going to do to me when I live in the US?
gestures at the Trump administration
At least follow the script, Trump administration is because of the damn Russians…
What does China have to do with Trump?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-voters-targeted-by-chinese-influence-online-researchers-say-2024-09-03/
JUST IN: In a surprise twist, foreigners to blame for this one too!
That’s this years Pulitzers and Peabodys sorted
I don’t see what this has to do with Trump or data collected by GPUs.
wait what? you can’t possibly be this imbecile, really? You’re insinuating that China, the main target of Trump tariffs and warmongering, is responsible for Trump? 😭
You discuss the CPC while playing video games? Weird flex, but okay.
Even if they traced your CPC complaints, they’re literally so far away from you to even matter while the US is literally next to you and has threatened to annex you ffs 😂 assuming you’re canadian, by your instance
Yeah! Only American based companies are allowed to spy on us!
Given the option, I prefer US spying over Chinese spying. Yes, the US, with all its shit, is still better than China since there still is (just a little) more transparent than China.
Having said that, why not neither? Can we please already start having open source hardware?
How would you know which is less transparent?
How is the US better?
It’s theoretically a democracy, china isnt
It literally is
Yeah, North Korea too
Lol
In a democracy most people get what they want most of the time. Do you honestly believe that people in the US want to go bankrupt every time they need healthcare?
A democracy is the people voting lol. You also get what you vote for, some people vote against themselves. Nice thing about China is the state knows best and you dont need to vote :)
People vote in China. Anyways, this is getting off topic. This Chinese GPU should be judged on technical merits, not based on the form of government or whether China adheres to European cultural and political norms. If that’s your only issue with it, then it is an admission that it is a competitive product.
Confidently incorrect
deleted by creator
White, Anglo-Saxon, Christian.
Sure, just makilr up some random nonsense, it’s what you do for the Chinese government as well
Why would I work for free for the Chinese government or any other government? My Arab country gives me free education, healthcare and subsidized eggs and I still don’t support it uncritically. It’s far more logical and reasonable to attribute your fear of China to racism and chauvinism, and is consistent with what I have seen from your culture, media and politics over the years.
Yeah, not mine, buddy
And I don’t give a shit.aboyt your skin color so you can stop the “racism!!!” right there.
You’re openly defending a dictatorship that -amongst other fun things- commits genocide. I think we can leave it there already, discussion over.
The US has literally threatened to annex Canada and you’re here simping for them 😅
I think that Snowden (and other leakers) would argue that the US is much much less transparent. Though it is best to just assume that all major govs are spying on everyone (even if it makes an ass out of u and me). Though we can agree on open source hardware.
Snowden? The guy living in Russia because he likes genocidal Putin better?
Yeah I’m sorry, I’m not a fan.
Also, can you guys please stop defending China? I’m not defending the US, it’s a shit show, it’s always been a shit show. Well, at least for the past 5 decades or so. China too, is an absolute shit show and has been that for much, much longer.
For all its many many many MANY faults; in the US at least I can still write “fuck the Cheeto Trump” and be sure I won’t get a visit from state police. I know, trump will make sure that the US becomes more like China soon, but I fucking double dare you to live in China and make a post every day about how xi is winnie Pooh and how tiananmen square was a massacre back in the 90s
Been running Yeston 2gb gpus with AMD chips for a while with no problem. I’d buy the same with SMIC chips as long as a) it lowers the price b) has Linux drivers c) works with Ryzen CPUs.