sings Farewell and adieu to you greedy streamers.
Farewell and adieu, to you subscription pains
For we’re now returning to the torrents of the pirates
and we may ner see you curs’d streamers again
We’ll post and we’ll flame like true software pirates
we’ll post and we’ll flame, all over the net
Until we can find us an FTP server
And get all the slop that we’re ach’n to get
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Discovery too. It’s an empire built off the spectacle of sociopathic greedy assholes (both on the shows and in the boardroom).
But Wednesday’s move to significantly bump prices, marked an acknowledgment by Iger of the media giant’s intent to squeeze more revenue out of streaming by pushing consumers to the advertising-supported plans, which have proven to be more profitable.
“The advertising marketplace for streaming is picking up,” Iger told investors on the quarterly earnings call. “It’s more healthy than the advertising marketplace for linear television. We believe in the future of advertising on our streaming platforms, both Disney+ and Hulu.”
This is extremely important for them. Netflix’s excellent deal for most of its streaming existence was obviously a thorn in the side of many other businesses. Even if streaming services can get you to pay an exorbitant amount of money on an ad-free tier, advertisers are frothing for the chance to advertise to you regardless. They want you to see their ads so badly. And let’s not forget all the big tech companies, Netflix included, were riding high during the free money days of 0% interest loans. Those days are over, and the bill is due. Wall Street wants its money. And we are all the ones who have to pay up. Cheap streaming is officially over.
This is why these companies, including Netflix, have all introduced ad tiers. Not only is it a great way for them to juice their revenue streams, but also every other company wants a permanent residence in your brain, and then some. Given the way things have been going since duo-eras of the COVID pandemic and corporate profit-based inflation, they don’t even need to collude on prices. All the execs need to do is look at the business press and say, “Hey, they’re getting away with increased prices and password sharing crackdowns. We can do the same thing. The pay pigs keep paying!”
As far as I know internet advertising is an economy destroying sunk cost fallacy. No one makes money off of it, but if they stop basically everything collapses catastrophically, so they just keep pouring more money in to it in hopes that someone will find a way to make it profitable before the bill comes due.
Ehhh, not really. If showing 10,000 people an ad costs you $10 and even one person made a purchase off that, you’ve paid for the ad buy. Internet ad conversions are considered unbelievably excellent if 1% of viewers click on the ad and 1% of those people make a purchase.
Also, if you don’t advertise, then your competition that do advertise are going to eat your lunch.
Is it really unclear? If you had never heard of a product, you would much less likely purchase it. If Coke stopped advertising today, they’d start a very slow but real loss of market to it’s competiton, be it Pepsi or whatever. Note that a LOT of advertising is not for you. It’s for the corporate buyer at name your favorite restaurant so that they think that they’ll get more consumers in the door because they have Coke products, as opposed to some other brand.
I suppose it’s not that unclear if you compare the revenue of all other industries combined to the revenue of the advertising industry. The ratio is pretty large and every type of industry buys ads, so it trickles down from everywhere.
Big advertising budgets that are funded from the value alienated from exploited workers and consumers. Information asymmetry in the marketplace means that even if you make a superior product at a lower price, you could still be outcompeted by an expensive inferior product if more people know about that worse product and don’t know about your product.
That’s for most basic products anyway. Luxury products like bags and clothes are almost all marketing since the cost to create them is so low compared to their sales price. People buy them because of perceptions created by marketing and not any inherent value in the product itself.
You know it’s coming. Why would a streaming company want a consumer buying one month, binging a single show they’re interested in, then immediately cancelling the subscription after, when you could guarantee a 6- or 12-month revenue stream for them?
Might fuck around and start invoicing companies for attention time, comprehension time, storage capacity, and of course the 500$ per instance recall fee.
I realized a year or so ago (after a letter from my isp) that I didn’t actually need to torrent anymore. There are websites like bflix.io (and I’m sure many others) that have basically everything streaming for free. Fuck subscriptions. Would maybe go back to torrenting if I got a vpn sorted out, but you’re not gonna get in trouble for streaming shit on a pirate website, so for now it’s the best solution I’ve found. Certainly not paying any of these assholes. Lol. Fuck outta here with that.
Proton mail has a free VPN that works really well. Switzerland is part of world coverage tier, but Netherlands is just as good at hiding torrenting from ISP’s. And it can even use a ‘stealth mode’ that works fairly well to get around VPN blockers by using unusual protocols for the traffic.
Cancelled Netflix last month. Still have Amazon Prime, but mostly for the delivery. The only video streaming subscription worth keeping is MUBI for now (and Nebula, but that hardly counts).
I’m the opposite. I ditched Amazon Prime because I realized I don’t really need the faster shipping and I wasn’t using their video platform much anyway.
I still have Netflix and Disney+, mostly because my kids watch them, but I might get away with dropping one off them if I buy a few series on DVD or whatever.
I’ve been thinking of dropping Amazon Prime as well. I don’t really use it that much. Disney+ looks like a good deal rn, but I don’t wanna give any money to those evil fucks.
Yup, if Disney+ doesn’t keep my legacy plan going (I don’t see why they would), I’ll just have to cancel and deal with a frustrated 3yo for a little while (the only one that regularly watches).
Well, I’ve canceled everything. Even amazon prime. All I had left was youtube premium and prime. Canceled both this month. Premium stops in a few days and prime will finish out the year. I canceled Netflix something kike 2 years now. I’m back to being a pirate at this point.
It’s an ironic end to the streaming wars. After pouring billions and billions of dollars into constructing supposedly revolutionary streaming platforms, and decimating the business models that had offered the industry stability for decades, the ultimate product looks awfully similar to what companies and consumers were trying to break free from in the first place.
I’ll still take streaming any day over cable.
No contract and you can put everything in rotation. Sign up for a month, binge, cancel, next.
The streaming companies are starting to get wise to that. They’ve started splitting seasons and releasing them separately so that you have to be subbed for 2 months.
Or they could release one per week, two batches isn’t really “starting to get wise to that” imho.
Either way, being patient is the best and only paying for one month
I think it’s just the beginning. They’ll split seasons eventually into 3 or more parts. Or if you wait till all seasons are released, they’ll paywall earlier parts. They know people won’t wait that long, especially with how easy it is to have things spoiled by social media or among friends/co-workers.
If you look at the world of Gaming, you see plenty if not most people being unable to refrain from instant gratification and just “having to have” the latest installment of some game series NOW at full price instead of waiting 6 months or a year go get it much cheaper.
I think there’s still some post floating around in Active in lemmy bitching and moaning about how this year’s installment of some (american) football game is $70 and a few about how great Baldur’s Gate 3 is (which you can only really know if ypu bought it full price in the first week as it just came out)
It seems to me that effect is even worse for things which are a social phenomenon (essentially, those things that people like to talk about it with each other) and that applies to TV Series and Films, not just games.
I mean, kudos for being able to refrain from Instant Gratification (I do the same too), it’s just that nowadays that doesn’t seem to be what most people do.
That’s a real concern if you’re at all worried about spoilers. It’s so easy just to have shit spoiled even if you try to avoid it. Passively hearing about it from school/workmates, social media, or even radio. The stupid radio spoiled the ending of Breaking Bad for me and I never got over it, I guess.
Might seem stupid, but it’s actually much more enjoyable to be watching something at the same time as others because you can sit and discuss it, come up with theories for how things will play out, and avoid having things spoiled for you. Nobody is going to be excited when you tell them you just started Game of Thrones last week because the show ended years ago and many people have already seen it all.
Sure until they start adding game mechanics like daily login rewards and episode “loot boxes” that give you a chance to increment your streaming battle pass so you finally have a shot at rolling for the show you actually want.
The difference between watching something programmers and on demand is big. I still detest the newer prices though coupled with the decline in interesting content.
It’s definitely sustainable, which is why every movie studio now is doing their own streaming service instead of putting their content on someone else’s.
How do you figure? I believe Netflix is the only service to actually make a profit off streaming and they have something like 250 million users. The rest of these companies are just dumping money into a bottomless pit and trying to outlast their competitors in the hopes of gaining enough marketshare.
You kind of answered your own question, because every movie studio will want a own streaming service and as soon as the total cost is too high people start to pirate in masses again.
There isn’t enough people who can afford to pay 50$+ a month to watch all of that but people want to watch it so I think you are very wrong there, as soon as the user experience gets awful or expensive enough piracy numbers skyrocket.
Am I the only one that remembers the “cut the cord” and “stop feeding the cable pig” nonsense? What happened to all that? Thankfully, none of this has affected me, then or now. I don’t usually bother with “programming” of any kind but, when I do, “arr mateys.”
I mean it was nonsense to think it would solve your costs, but streaming is superior to cable TV from a tech standpoint for sure.
People should expect that yeah, new software is cheap when it’s rolled out, but it’s gonna get more expensive as time goes on, but I can understand why that wasn’t quite as apparent to people 10 years ago as it will be 10 years from now
That’s literally the opposite of how it’s supposed to be, new tech is expensive and only early adopters can buy in, then when the EA’s money comes in, it is spent to improve and make the tech cheaper, which allows it to be adopted by the masses. With streaming, all of the fat cats decided to start it cheap to get everyone hooked and moved over, then jacked up the prices because the shareholders aren’t satisfied with their draconic gold hoards.
I think the model that you’re referring to is generally more applicable to hardware, but since you can make free copies of an app, Uber for instance can keep things low cost till they eat the competition
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Didn’t 1337x just get caught injecting bit coin mining software into their stuff?
They didn’t
You’re gonna get a bitcoin mining infection from a video file? lmao
The rumor was it was put in a cracked game not a video lol
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sings Farewell and adieu to you greedy streamers.
Farewell and adieu, to you subscription pains
For we’re now returning to the torrents of the pirates
and we may ner see you curs’d streamers again
We’ll post and we’ll flame like true software pirates
we’ll post and we’ll flame, all over the net
Until we can find us an FTP server
And get all the slop that we’re ach’n to get
We really have a moral duty to make piracy as easy, one button, even grandpa can do it as possible.
Not for any, like, good of humanity reason.
But as part of my revenge against The Mouse.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Discovery too. It’s an empire built off the spectacle of sociopathic greedy assholes (both on the shows and in the boardroom).
This is extremely important for them. Netflix’s excellent deal for most of its streaming existence was obviously a thorn in the side of many other businesses. Even if streaming services can get you to pay an exorbitant amount of money on an ad-free tier, advertisers are frothing for the chance to advertise to you regardless. They want you to see their ads so badly. And let’s not forget all the big tech companies, Netflix included, were riding high during the free money days of 0% interest loans. Those days are over, and the bill is due. Wall Street wants its money. And we are all the ones who have to pay up. Cheap streaming is officially over.
This is why these companies, including Netflix, have all introduced ad tiers. Not only is it a great way for them to juice their revenue streams, but also every other company wants a permanent residence in your brain, and then some. Given the way things have been going since duo-eras of the COVID pandemic and corporate profit-based inflation, they don’t even need to collude on prices. All the execs need to do is look at the business press and say, “Hey, they’re getting away with increased prices and password sharing crackdowns. We can do the same thing. The pay pigs keep paying!”
I really cannot understand why advertising is such a huge business. Where does all the money spent on advertising really come from?
As far as I know internet advertising is an economy destroying sunk cost fallacy. No one makes money off of it, but if they stop basically everything collapses catastrophically, so they just keep pouring more money in to it in hopes that someone will find a way to make it profitable before the bill comes due.
Ehhh, not really. If showing 10,000 people an ad costs you $10 and even one person made a purchase off that, you’ve paid for the ad buy. Internet ad conversions are considered unbelievably excellent if 1% of viewers click on the ad and 1% of those people make a purchase.
Also, if you don’t advertise, then your competition that do advertise are going to eat your lunch.
Good too know. I guess i need to do more reading.
Is it really unclear? If you had never heard of a product, you would much less likely purchase it. If Coke stopped advertising today, they’d start a very slow but real loss of market to it’s competiton, be it Pepsi or whatever. Note that a LOT of advertising is not for you. It’s for the corporate buyer at name your favorite restaurant so that they think that they’ll get more consumers in the door because they have Coke products, as opposed to some other brand.
I suppose it’s not that unclear if you compare the revenue of all other industries combined to the revenue of the advertising industry. The ratio is pretty large and every type of industry buys ads, so it trickles down from everywhere.
Big advertising budgets that are funded from the value alienated from exploited workers and consumers. Information asymmetry in the marketplace means that even if you make a superior product at a lower price, you could still be outcompeted by an expensive inferior product if more people know about that worse product and don’t know about your product.
That’s for most basic products anyway. Luxury products like bags and clothes are almost all marketing since the cost to create them is so low compared to their sales price. People buy them because of perceptions created by marketing and not any inherent value in the product itself.
I’ll be completely unsurprised when streaming companies start enticing or forcing us into term agreements.
You know it’s coming. Why would a streaming company want a consumer buying one month, binging a single show they’re interested in, then immediately cancelling the subscription after, when you could guarantee a 6- or 12-month revenue stream for them?
Rents work this way; it wouldn’t be a surprise if the same playbook was adopted by these neo-feudalists.
Might fuck around and start invoicing companies for attention time, comprehension time, storage capacity, and of course the 500$ per instance recall fee.
Time to dust off the old pirate hat…
Popcorn time :D
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I realized a year or so ago (after a letter from my isp) that I didn’t actually need to torrent anymore. There are websites like bflix.io (and I’m sure many others) that have basically everything streaming for free. Fuck subscriptions. Would maybe go back to torrenting if I got a vpn sorted out, but you’re not gonna get in trouble for streaming shit on a pirate website, so for now it’s the best solution I’ve found. Certainly not paying any of these assholes. Lol. Fuck outta here with that.
Is there a good way to watch on a proper TV? I find that all such sites are browser based, and I’m not keen on typing in urls with the remote control.
Is there something like that that works on an nVidia Shield (Android TV)?
Rather not have the Uberspreadsheetboxen running just to watch Village of the Damned again…
Hell, I dunno. I just plug my laptop into a regular old tv via hdmi.
Proton mail has a free VPN that works really well. Switzerland is part of world coverage tier, but Netherlands is just as good at hiding torrenting from ISP’s. And it can even use a ‘stealth mode’ that works fairly well to get around VPN blockers by using unusual protocols for the traffic.
Does proton’s VPN free tier not block p2p file sharing usage?
It should but I never tested it. I don’t torrent much. I’ll need a torrent that is almost guaranteed to get an email from an isp to test it.
It will just refuse to download anything in your client, plus there are sites that let you check your IP when you torrent.
Cancelled Netflix last month. Still have Amazon Prime, but mostly for the delivery. The only video streaming subscription worth keeping is MUBI for now (and Nebula, but that hardly counts).
I’m the opposite. I ditched Amazon Prime because I realized I don’t really need the faster shipping and I wasn’t using their video platform much anyway.
I still have Netflix and Disney+, mostly because my kids watch them, but I might get away with dropping one off them if I buy a few series on DVD or whatever.
I’ve been thinking of dropping Amazon Prime as well. I don’t really use it that much. Disney+ looks like a good deal rn, but I don’t wanna give any money to those evil fucks.
Yup, if Disney+ doesn’t keep my legacy plan going (I don’t see why they would), I’ll just have to cancel and deal with a frustrated 3yo for a little while (the only one that regularly watches).
Well, I’ve canceled everything. Even amazon prime. All I had left was youtube premium and prime. Canceled both this month. Premium stops in a few days and prime will finish out the year. I canceled Netflix something kike 2 years now. I’m back to being a pirate at this point.
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The internet is much faster now too
Ya’har me matey!
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Frear and the illusion of convenience is what makes them pay.
I’ll still take streaming any day over cable.
No contract and you can put everything in rotation. Sign up for a month, binge, cancel, next.
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The streaming companies are starting to get wise to that. They’ve started splitting seasons and releasing them separately so that you have to be subbed for 2 months.
Or they could release one per week, two batches isn’t really “starting to get wise to that” imho. Either way, being patient is the best and only paying for one month
Not if they start to limit you to 3 episodes of a particular series per week
Don’t.Give.The.Mouse.Ideas.
I think it’s just the beginning. They’ll split seasons eventually into 3 or more parts. Or if you wait till all seasons are released, they’ll paywall earlier parts. They know people won’t wait that long, especially with how easy it is to have things spoiled by social media or among friends/co-workers.
Well I’ll subscribe for the second month.
If you look at the world of Gaming, you see plenty if not most people being unable to refrain from instant gratification and just “having to have” the latest installment of some game series NOW at full price instead of waiting 6 months or a year go get it much cheaper.
I think there’s still some post floating around in Active in lemmy bitching and moaning about how this year’s installment of some (american) football game is $70 and a few about how great Baldur’s Gate 3 is (which you can only really know if ypu bought it full price in the first week as it just came out)
It seems to me that effect is even worse for things which are a social phenomenon (essentially, those things that people like to talk about it with each other) and that applies to TV Series and Films, not just games.
I mean, kudos for being able to refrain from Instant Gratification (I do the same too), it’s just that nowadays that doesn’t seem to be what most people do.
Congrats. Patience is a much-neeeded virtue, especially when it comes to TV series you like.
I’d just wait until the second part is out, sub one month.
But you won’t see it at the same time as some others, the horror!
That’s a real concern if you’re at all worried about spoilers. It’s so easy just to have shit spoiled even if you try to avoid it. Passively hearing about it from school/workmates, social media, or even radio. The stupid radio spoiled the ending of Breaking Bad for me and I never got over it, I guess.
Might seem stupid, but it’s actually much more enjoyable to be watching something at the same time as others because you can sit and discuss it, come up with theories for how things will play out, and avoid having things spoiled for you. Nobody is going to be excited when you tell them you just started Game of Thrones last week because the show ended years ago and many people have already seen it all.
Sure until they start adding game mechanics like daily login rewards and episode “loot boxes” that give you a chance to increment your streaming battle pass so you finally have a shot at rolling for the show you actually want.
I got a holographic original extended Daenerys sex scene!
The difference between watching something programmers and on demand is big. I still detest the newer prices though coupled with the decline in interesting content.
That’s not going to last. As soon as they run the numbers and decide it’s worth it, they’ll create ways to lock you in.
There’s no way the model is sustainable once everyone starts their streaming platform.
That’s because it’s not a sudtainable buisness model, I bet for the few actually good productions even donations would be better!
It’s definitely sustainable, which is why every movie studio now is doing their own streaming service instead of putting their content on someone else’s.
Why do you think it’s not sustainable?
How do you figure? I believe Netflix is the only service to actually make a profit off streaming and they have something like 250 million users. The rest of these companies are just dumping money into a bottomless pit and trying to outlast their competitors in the hopes of gaining enough marketshare.
You kind of answered your own question, because every movie studio will want a own streaming service and as soon as the total cost is too high people start to pirate in masses again.
There’s not going to be enough people that ditch them and pirate to make it unsustainable.
There isn’t enough people who can afford to pay 50$+ a month to watch all of that but people want to watch it so I think you are very wrong there, as soon as the user experience gets awful or expensive enough piracy numbers skyrocket.
Am I the only one that remembers the “cut the cord” and “stop feeding the cable pig” nonsense? What happened to all that? Thankfully, none of this has affected me, then or now. I don’t usually bother with “programming” of any kind but, when I do, “arr mateys.”
The cable pigs moved into the streaming game, and used licensing to enshitify streaming
I mean it was nonsense to think it would solve your costs, but streaming is superior to cable TV from a tech standpoint for sure.
People should expect that yeah, new software is cheap when it’s rolled out, but it’s gonna get more expensive as time goes on, but I can understand why that wasn’t quite as apparent to people 10 years ago as it will be 10 years from now
That’s literally the opposite of how it’s supposed to be, new tech is expensive and only early adopters can buy in, then when the EA’s money comes in, it is spent to improve and make the tech cheaper, which allows it to be adopted by the masses. With streaming, all of the fat cats decided to start it cheap to get everyone hooked and moved over, then jacked up the prices because the shareholders aren’t satisfied with their draconic gold hoards.
I think the model that you’re referring to is generally more applicable to hardware, but since you can make free copies of an app, Uber for instance can keep things low cost till they eat the competition