On one hand, the lawsuit seems nonsensical. OTOH, if a jury decided to side with individuals suing a major companies like Activision regardless of the specifics of the case, I certainly wouldn’t blame them.
I admire your optimism, but that kind of case wouldn’t go the way you hope. Specifics are important. These people are using a tragedy to advance an unrelated agenda.
This isn’t “the enemy of my enemy”. It wouldn’t at all be a reflection on capitalism… it would instead be used entirely in opposition to free speech, gun control and general common sense.
The fact that CoD doesn’t even use real guns/manufacturers anymore makes me think this suit has zero chance. Video games do not cause violence, certainly not more than any other media!
Yeah, without evidence that Activision/CoD were intentionally in cahoots with arms manufacturers, this is pretty flimsy.
I do think the case against Daniel Defense is stronger, though. I can see a legitimate argument being made that guns should not be advertised directly at teenagers and young men, and that firearms shouldn’t be advertised on social media in general.
Ah yes, because being a good parent and making sure your kid goes to school would’ve certainly prevented them from getting shot at the elementary school 😅🤔.
Oy! Before you spew out shit that is frankly disgusting in the context of what happened in Uvalde, maybe think for a split-second about what you’re about to say, eh?
Besides, if a whole nation continues to fail it’s “tired, poor, it’s huddled masses yearning to breathe free”, blaming parents for just not parenting enough is misguided at best and delusional at worst. Do you think parents just don’t give a fuck when their children suffer? Do you think parents will just let their kids down and let them fall into the void that results in school shooters? No. No, they will not. But there is only so much a parent can do if the entire rest of society doesn’t give the slightest of fucks. You don’t have kids, have you?
In the USA, of course it happens and you wonder why people end up using guns to solve their problems. Immerse yourself into a 1st World EU country and watch how the social programs work to help people, which prevent lunatics from developing. For example, maternity leave, some countries have 3 years for each parent. The USA is fucked up in every single direction and it’s all thanks to greed.
This right here. Lack of parenting is the issue . And children in school these days , their mental health is ignored and we let kids graduate despite not meeting requirements. No wonder we have such an issue with disrespect, mental health, and intelligence. We are failing a generation and its now starting to catch up
I understand they want closure and to prevent this from happening again, but suing a video game publisher bcz of depictions of guns is a bit of a reach.
There’s research to back this up, video games do not cause violence.
The research is not nearly comprehensive enough to say that a massively popular game franchise does not have a social and political effect on how people view firearms. That’s a massive leap from “gamer kids don’t get into fights at recess more than non-gamers.”
I agree purely on a “cultural influence” level, as while I doubt CoD caused a school shooting, it seems the argument these grieving families are making is “CoD glorifies guns and gun culture, therefore this will send a message that gun culture is not acceptable and guns being admired is dangerous.” On that I feel that if they have to destroy an over monetized and creatively bankrupt game franchise to send a message that guns are not toys or fashion accessories, CoD’s continuation will not be missed by the majority of gamers.
My only concern is that if they do succeed, that means anything can be censored in the US if it promotes cult-like behavior, which is too subjective to be properly defined without giving politicians another way to FUD people and thus does not solve the problem.
That, and fuck those cops who caused the majority of the issue. At that point, grab kitchen knives, conceal them, go to a local police station, calmly say you want to report a crime, and when the cop comes out to ask, slit his throat and say “this is for the kids you killed”. I would not trust an American cop ever at this point, so if anyone from my own or any other country reads this, I’m not going to kill a cop because the RCMP are actually trustworthy and have ensured everyone’s safety. I’m not intending to incite actual violence, only stating that these families are targeting the wrong people and they’re probably doing it because they were told justice will never come because the fucking police wanted it that way.
They just want closure and for something to blame without actually tackling the real problem, gun control, which will never happen because ‘murica. They’d never get anywhere if they tried.
Sorry, wrong target. Sue the cops who didn’t act. Oh, wait. They’re basically untouchable. Well, I guess sue yourselves for having children in America. That’s about the only case you might win.
The brakes in my car didn’t work because the car Company bribed the government to not put any regulations in place. Let’s sue those damn breakdancers. It sure must have been because of these breakdancers.
And a societal structure that both does very little to catch piss poor parenting while also guaranteeing that a minimum amount of poor parenting can have large and devastating consequences.
I’m not so sure Walmart sells guns any more. They don’t in my area and I live in a very gun friendly area. They just seem to sell air rifles and hunting accessories.
Disclosure: I don’t play CoD anymore (I also think the series is overrated) and would like to see Activision/Blizzard burn.
You are, unfortunately, partially misperceiving and/or mischaracterizing the game and genre. Most are not murder simulators. Some certainly are (ex. Hitman and the skippable single player bits of one of the CoD games is) but those are the minority - the plots are generally revolving around military conflicts (whether military conflicts are by definition murder or not is another thing altogether though I would personally say that they are in the same ethical place) and the multiplayer is basically technological sports. Since the early-2000s at least, they have been propaganda supporting imperialism and normalizing military conflict, though GenZ seems to have wised up on that.
For the “real world guns” thing, they aren’t anymore with limited exceptions where a firearms company explicitly partners with them.
Additionally, the correlation between individuals playing violent video games and taking part on violence just does not exist in any research that has been conducted. Violent video games, in fact, allow people to work out aggression and frustration in healthy, non-destructive ways. Your anger is pointed in the wrong direction. If you want to target something that will have an actual impact, dedicate some energy to pushing fixes for wealth inequality and poverty. Yes, that’s harder to pin down but most things worth doing aren’t easy.
In a civilized society, the cure for radicalizing speech is more speech, particularly discourse. Besides which we already have plenty of evidence that violent video games don’t radicalize. (Though, to be fair, terrorist operatives find pre-radicalized people and point them towards targets via social engineering.)
Someone who is already dangerous may play violent video games to help cope. But withholding them doesn’t address the problem, just as withholding porn doesn’t make people less sexually frustrated.
Then there’s the matter that drone operators recognize and feel the effects of having killed, and get PTSD and burnout in ways that video game players killing shadows do not. The high turnover and mentalmhealth crisis of drone operators demonstrates to us simulations don’t cross that critical line.
COD is modeled (more or less) on war settings, but so are the Tom Clancy games, So is Six Days in Fallujah and Spec Ops: The Line which are distinctly anti war. And as Penn and Teller brutally demonstrated, there is a huge visceral and emotional difference between shooting guns in games, and engaging with the real thing.
We know how to address amuck killers. We know reducing rampage killers is not just in addressing gun culture, but also addressing precarity. But neither of are political parties is willing to take that step. One is, indeed, banking on War Boys voting them into power, sight unseen, but then signing up as brownshirt goons by the legion.
Turning your ire on video games is quaint and misguided and plays right into their hands.
This is insane. The new default in civil suits is just to go after whoever is tangentially related to the situation at hand who also happens to have money. Neither the manufacturer of the weapon nor Activision is liable. They sell legal products.
What would be more just, is a mechanism for pilfering the shooters organs and selling them on the open market, collecting his life insurance, and then dividing that combined spoil among the victims.
is a mechanism for pilfering the shooters organs and selling them on the open market
I understand the sentiment (not that I agree), but this has myriad practical issues. For one, there is no open market for organs, and creating one would make the healthcare system extremely fucked for poor people. Secondly, harvesting organs basically requires the person to die in the hospital. Preferably not full of bullet holes.
collecting his life insurance
My main issue with this is that you screw over the beneficiary of the insurance, who may not have any responsibility for the shooting but could very well be harmed by not having the financial support. Imagine a shooter with a newborn child as beneficiary of the insurance policy; would it be just to take that money from the child?
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On one hand, the lawsuit seems nonsensical. OTOH, if a jury decided to side with individuals suing a major companies like Activision regardless of the specifics of the case, I certainly wouldn’t blame them.
I admire your optimism, but that kind of case wouldn’t go the way you hope. Specifics are important. These people are using a tragedy to advance an unrelated agenda.
This isn’t “the enemy of my enemy”. It wouldn’t at all be a reflection on capitalism… it would instead be used entirely in opposition to free speech, gun control and general common sense.
The fact that CoD doesn’t even use real guns/manufacturers anymore makes me think this suit has zero chance. Video games do not cause violence, certainly not more than any other media!
Yeah, without evidence that Activision/CoD were intentionally in cahoots with arms manufacturers, this is pretty flimsy.
I do think the case against Daniel Defense is stronger, though. I can see a legitimate argument being made that guns should not be advertised directly at teenagers and young men, and that firearms shouldn’t be advertised on social media in general.
Or parents could parent 😅🤔.
Ah yes, because being a good parent and making sure your kid goes to school would’ve certainly prevented them from getting shot at the elementary school 😅🤔.
How do you propose they parent other people’s kids?
Oy! Before you spew out shit that is frankly disgusting in the context of what happened in Uvalde, maybe think for a split-second about what you’re about to say, eh?
Besides, if a whole nation continues to fail it’s “tired, poor, it’s huddled masses yearning to breathe free”, blaming parents for just not parenting enough is misguided at best and delusional at worst. Do you think parents just don’t give a fuck when their children suffer? Do you think parents will just let their kids down and let them fall into the void that results in school shooters? No. No, they will not. But there is only so much a parent can do if the entire rest of society doesn’t give the slightest of fucks. You don’t have kids, have you?
In the USA, of course it happens and you wonder why people end up using guns to solve their problems. Immerse yourself into a 1st World EU country and watch how the social programs work to help people, which prevent lunatics from developing. For example, maternity leave, some countries have 3 years for each parent. The USA is fucked up in every single direction and it’s all thanks to greed.
This right here. Lack of parenting is the issue . And children in school these days , their mental health is ignored and we let kids graduate despite not meeting requirements. No wonder we have such an issue with disrespect, mental health, and intelligence. We are failing a generation and its now starting to catch up
I understand they want closure and to prevent this from happening again, but suing a video game publisher bcz of depictions of guns is a bit of a reach.
There’s research to back this up, video games do not cause violence.
The research is not nearly comprehensive enough to say that a massively popular game franchise does not have a social and political effect on how people view firearms. That’s a massive leap from “gamer kids don’t get into fights at recess more than non-gamers.”
I agree purely on a “cultural influence” level, as while I doubt CoD caused a school shooting, it seems the argument these grieving families are making is “CoD glorifies guns and gun culture, therefore this will send a message that gun culture is not acceptable and guns being admired is dangerous.” On that I feel that if they have to destroy an over monetized and creatively bankrupt game franchise to send a message that guns are not toys or fashion accessories, CoD’s continuation will not be missed by the majority of gamers.
My only concern is that if they do succeed, that means anything can be censored in the US if it promotes cult-like behavior, which is too subjective to be properly defined without giving politicians another way to FUD people and thus does not solve the problem.
That, and fuck those cops who caused the majority of the issue. At that point, grab kitchen knives, conceal them, go to a local police station, calmly say you want to report a crime, and when the cop comes out to ask, slit his throat and say “this is for the kids you killed”. I would not trust an American cop ever at this point, so if anyone from my own or any other country reads this, I’m not going to kill a cop because the RCMP are actually trustworthy and have ensured everyone’s safety. I’m not intending to incite actual violence, only stating that these families are targeting the wrong people and they’re probably doing it because they were told justice will never come because the fucking police wanted it that way.
They just want closure and for something to blame without actually tackling the real problem, gun control, which will never happen because ‘murica. They’d never get anywhere if they tried.
They voted all the leadership positions for the Uvalde police back in, so voters collectively approved of their actions.
Uvalde was a tragedy but this has absolutely no merit
Sorry, wrong target. Sue the cops who didn’t act. Oh, wait. They’re basically untouchable. Well, I guess sue yourselves for having children in America. That’s about the only case you might win.
They did sue the cops.
And the result was… Finish the rest
About 120K per kid.
I assume, paid for by the state out of the general fund, with no impact on police budgets. But I’d love to hear I was wrong.
Insurance, apparently. The parents are also suing each cop individually, and the school district.
The brakes in my car didn’t work because the car Company bribed the government to not put any regulations in place. Let’s sue those damn breakdancers. It sure must have been because of these breakdancers.
Lawyers seeking profits and piss poor parenting.
And a societal structure that both does very little to catch piss poor parenting while also guaranteeing that a minimum amount of poor parenting can have large and devastating consequences.
Jfc, people are stupid
it’s interesting how they got to this target as conclusion.
for places that don’t ban guns, every walmart would have them with minimal barriers for buying.
like what steam does for games, maybe it’s because these guns are that easy to acquire to begin with?
I’m not so sure Walmart sells guns any more. They don’t in my area and I live in a very gun friendly area. They just seem to sell air rifles and hunting accessories.
They don’t sell them online, but they do still sell them in stores. They only stopped selling some guns and some types of ammo.
From the horse’s mouth:
https://corporate.walmart.com/askwalmart/what-is-walmart-doing-to-guarantee-responsible-firearm-sales
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Disclosure: I don’t play CoD anymore (I also think the series is overrated) and would like to see Activision/Blizzard burn.
You are, unfortunately, partially misperceiving and/or mischaracterizing the game and genre. Most are not murder simulators. Some certainly are (ex. Hitman and the skippable single player bits of one of the CoD games is) but those are the minority - the plots are generally revolving around military conflicts (whether military conflicts are by definition murder or not is another thing altogether though I would personally say that they are in the same ethical place) and the multiplayer is basically technological sports. Since the early-2000s at least, they have been propaganda supporting imperialism and normalizing military conflict, though GenZ seems to have wised up on that.
For the “real world guns” thing, they aren’t anymore with limited exceptions where a firearms company explicitly partners with them.
Additionally, the correlation between individuals playing violent video games and taking part on violence just does not exist in any research that has been conducted. Violent video games, in fact, allow people to work out aggression and frustration in healthy, non-destructive ways. Your anger is pointed in the wrong direction. If you want to target something that will have an actual impact, dedicate some energy to pushing fixes for wealth inequality and poverty. Yes, that’s harder to pin down but most things worth doing aren’t easy.
Jack Thompson has entered the chat?
In a civilized society, the cure for radicalizing speech is more speech, particularly discourse. Besides which we already have plenty of evidence that violent video games don’t radicalize. (Though, to be fair, terrorist operatives find pre-radicalized people and point them towards targets via social engineering.)
Someone who is already dangerous may play violent video games to help cope. But withholding them doesn’t address the problem, just as withholding porn doesn’t make people less sexually frustrated.
Then there’s the matter that drone operators recognize and feel the effects of having killed, and get PTSD and burnout in ways that video game players killing shadows do not. The high turnover and mentalmhealth crisis of drone operators demonstrates to us simulations don’t cross that critical line.
COD is modeled (more or less) on war settings, but so are the Tom Clancy games, So is Six Days in Fallujah and Spec Ops: The Line which are distinctly anti war. And as Penn and Teller brutally demonstrated, there is a huge visceral and emotional difference between shooting guns in games, and engaging with the real thing.
We know how to address amuck killers. We know reducing rampage killers is not just in addressing gun culture, but also addressing precarity. But neither of are political parties is willing to take that step. One is, indeed, banking on War Boys voting them into power, sight unseen, but then signing up as brownshirt goons by the legion.
Turning your ire on video games is quaint and misguided and plays right into their hands.
I find it sad that some lawyer sold them on this suit, while also settling with the police department for peanuts.
The police caused all of the extra pain here, and no studies have ever shown a link to violence from video games.
I have no doubt that Adam Lanza’s obsession with Dance Dance Revolution compelled him to commit the Sandy Hook massacre.
That’s how they get you. Before it was Catcher In The Rye, then it was Helter Skelter. Next it’ll be Kirby’s Return to Dream Land Deluxe!
It’s the tessellation of the splines, I tell you! THE TESSELLATION OF THE SPLINES
This is insane. The new default in civil suits is just to go after whoever is tangentially related to the situation at hand who also happens to have money. Neither the manufacturer of the weapon nor Activision is liable. They sell legal products.
What would be more just, is a mechanism for pilfering the shooters organs and selling them on the open market, collecting his life insurance, and then dividing that combined spoil among the victims.
I understand the sentiment (not that I agree), but this has myriad practical issues. For one, there is no open market for organs, and creating one would make the healthcare system extremely fucked for poor people. Secondly, harvesting organs basically requires the person to die in the hospital. Preferably not full of bullet holes.
My main issue with this is that you screw over the beneficiary of the insurance, who may not have any responsibility for the shooting but could very well be harmed by not having the financial support. Imagine a shooter with a newborn child as beneficiary of the insurance policy; would it be just to take that money from the child?
People never think these ideas through to the end. They are thrown out as emotional outlets, ignoring the fact that more pain would be caused.
CoD is propaganda for the MIC and US imperialism, not gun companies.
They have learned nothing from their loss.