Hopefully, as a side effect of the current situation, software developers will be a bit more mindful of ram consumption. The “just buy more RAM bro” argument isn’t really working nowadays.
Fortunately you can save money by not buying HP PCs.
If run prices get out of hand don’t buy more RAM don’t upgrade your computer don’t give them your money and then when the bubble pops continue not to give them your money. All these manufacturers need to fail
There’s no guarantee that AI companies will need this amount of product indefinitely, while PC manufactures will always need RAM. Alienating them would be commercially foolish.
They do this because everyone else allows them to. I think computer and device manufacturers have more leverage than RAM manufacturers if they join together. Yet they don’t, because today’s management class is vastly incompetent.
My base starting point parts list (full build with 9800x3d, 64GB/4TB, 9700xt) was 2000usd about five months ago when it was last used to base a build on.
It’s currently ‘down’ to about 3400 after peaking last week at over 3500. The excess is nearly entirely from RAM and SSD prices.
What could they possibly do that needs that much RAM that does not provide an income.
64 GB is more than just a bit of extra memory. 32 is enough even if you are running docker containers.
Just buying RAM for the sake of it and then complaining about lack of affordability is not a helpful thing. Yes RAM was cheap so people did that. But you can just not do that and be mostly fine.
I have 64 GB in my CAD machine, unfortunately or fortunately it doesn’t really make use of it like systems used to 15 years ago. Many CAD tools write portions to nvme temp drive folders now and don’t fill RAM, that way the companies can claim a lower hardware spec (at least thats my theory on why they no longer max it out)
I personally use like 40gb of ram opening up city skylines and rimworld before I started compressing textures. VMs, video editing, 3d modeling are all ram demons and are all hobbies people have.
There are plenty of workloads that need 64 to 128 gb of ram.
Back in my day when RAM was cheap, 8GB is worthless, 16GB is minimum spec to do anything remotely productive, 32GB covers 98% of scenarios, and 64GB is ehh why not at least this way I never have to worry about it.
Not OP but 64gb of ram will let them run some good sized AI models locally along with their video card. Definitely enough to play around with things now and in the future.
We’re not discussing ‘typical’ workloads (whatever that is), we’re discussing one specific person’s use case, and you’ve somehow decided you know better than him without any information
For data center shit, it’s probably up in the 70-80% range (unless you’re also running shitloads of H100s or A100s or whatever top of the line is these days)
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Hopefully, as a side effect of the current situation, software developers will be a bit more mindful of ram consumption. The “just buy more RAM bro” argument isn’t really working nowadays.
Just rent more bro
Fortunately you can save money by not buying HP PCs.
If run prices get out of hand don’t buy more RAM don’t upgrade your computer don’t give them your money and then when the bubble pops continue not to give them your money. All these manufacturers need to fail
PC manufacturers should grow some balls and tell RAM suppliers to lower the price or lose their business forever.
The RAM suppliers would probably be thrilled to end those consumer contracts, they could allocate more to high paying AI.
There’s no guarantee that AI companies will need this amount of product indefinitely, while PC manufactures will always need RAM. Alienating them would be commercially foolish.
Foolish in the long term, but quite effective in the short term.
I don’t disagree, but it seems their priorities are not on long term stability.
They do this because everyone else allows them to. I think computer and device manufacturers have more leverage than RAM manufacturers if they join together. Yet they don’t, because today’s management class is vastly incompetent.
Agreed, which is stupid to put everything to AI but no consumer to use the goddamned AI 😮💨
My base starting point parts list (full build with 9800x3d, 64GB/4TB, 9700xt) was 2000usd about five months ago when it was last used to base a build on.
It’s currently ‘down’ to about 3400 after peaking last week at over 3500. The excess is nearly entirely from RAM and SSD prices.
You include double of the ram you realistically need. Why?
Future proofing and/or “retiring” the computer to home server duty when its time to build again (thats what im telling myself at any rate)
Edit: plus i have heard that DDR5 has issues with more than 2 sticks of RAM. Not sure the specifics though
Then buy extra when the shortage has subsided. While you are too small to harm anyone you are not doing anyone any favors.
Double the ram that YOU realistically need but maybe not of the RAM that they need… perhaps they do more than just gaming?
What could they possibly do that needs that much RAM that does not provide an income.
64 GB is more than just a bit of extra memory. 32 is enough even if you are running docker containers.
Just buying RAM for the sake of it and then complaining about lack of affordability is not a helpful thing. Yes RAM was cheap so people did that. But you can just not do that and be mostly fine.
You are right, people overbuild. And if they log ovwrall system load its probably so low on a home server.
64gb of ram is very useful for 3d modeling and other hobby arts.
Used to be cheap AF too. Shame
I have 64 GB in my CAD machine, unfortunately or fortunately it doesn’t really make use of it like systems used to 15 years ago. Many CAD tools write portions to nvme temp drive folders now and don’t fill RAM, that way the companies can claim a lower hardware spec (at least thats my theory on why they no longer max it out)
I personally use like 40gb of ram opening up city skylines and rimworld before I started compressing textures. VMs, video editing, 3d modeling are all ram demons and are all hobbies people have.
There are plenty of workloads that need 64 to 128 gb of ram.
Back in my day when RAM was cheap, 8GB is worthless, 16GB is minimum spec to do anything remotely productive, 32GB covers 98% of scenarios, and 64GB is ehh why not at least this way I never have to worry about it.
Taps my SAMBA and MiniDlna server on the top, this baby doin’ fine at 256MB. Seriously, it doesn’t even use the full amount of RAM.
Why are you doing anything productive on your home PC?
You certainly got a right to, but in my experience 16 gb are enough while 32 are plenty. If I am at work I want more.
Productive hobbies, multitasking while gaming, … Optimizing my media collection… Astrophotography.
Not OP but 64gb of ram will let them run some good sized AI models locally along with their video card. Definitely enough to play around with things now and in the future.
That’s not a typical home use work load for gamers.
We’re not discussing ‘typical’ workloads (whatever that is), we’re discussing one specific person’s use case, and you’ve somehow decided you know better than him without any information
And because he posted in a gaming community he can’t have any other use for it?
I game, I dabble in local AIs.
He could do all sorts of stuff that might need it.
Holy fuck. That is insane. It used to be something like 5-10% max.
35% is the kind of numbers I used to have on servers at work, which often feature >2TB of RAM.
(another similar percentage being the CPUs, 128 cores per socket doesn’t come cheap)
Seeing those numbers for desktop hardware, “holy fuck” is about right.
Yeah. Scientific and high performance compute are really eating it on ram prices right now.
And using less memory is much harder than just opening fewer browser tabs.
Software is designed to eat memory for it was very cheap in the past. Well, comparatively.
For data center shit, it’s probably up in the 70-80% range (unless you’re also running shitloads of H100s or A100s or whatever top of the line is these days)
And it’s never going away because the technology for RAM by subscription is right around the corner.
VDI has been a thing for over a decade now.