does the emulator need Nintendo server to play the game?
Not at all. Not even for online multiplayer, I remember Yuzu had some way to play multiplayer (there’s even a whole discord server for this).
I think Nintendo is trying to scare everyone by trying to take everything down and sue. But we have seen that it does not work, it’ll just split the base once again in multiple fragments (with different emulators).
Though, it feels like the development of Switch emulation has stagnated. I don’t see improvements for current games that have trouble running on the emulators (which often both original Yuzu and Ryujinx would fix by time).
fun fact, most of the globe uses comma, anglophone sphere and china are the few ones using period for it
I got so used to using periods that I had to specify that I was using period as a decimal seperator in math exercises because here where I live it is uses comma
I love when this shit happens and it’s like oh, not the one I know about that literally has torrents bundling single games on pc to one click run the games lol
Nintendo succeeded in killing Yuzu because they had decryption keys which Nintendo could argue is breaking their copy protection, which is why they settled for 2.4 million dollars in sales damages because they knew they wouldn’t be able to win in court.
All of these forks have since removed the key and require the user to supply it (legally from your own console).
So in theory they should be protected under US law since emulation and reverse engineering is completely legal.
However
Nintendo also has infinite money to throw at the problem, and FOSS devs are usually not willing to deal with insane amount of personal liability because of a hobby, which is how they killed Ryujinx.
So you better hold onto your guts if you plan to fight Nintendo.
Nintendo succeeded in killing Yuzu because they had decryption keys which Nintendo could argue is breaking their copy protection, which is why they settled for 2.4 million dollars in sales damage
Was not it also because they have their Patreons subscribers things such as early access to leaked games?
Nintendo’s suit also claims Yuzu’s Patreon page allows its developers to earn 30,000 a month by providing subscribers with “daily updates,” “early access,” and “special unreleased features” to games like Tears of the Kingdom by circumventing the protective measures Nintendo has in place to prevent piracy of video games.
I despise Nintendo but if this claim was true, they were earning money with pirated content, right?
Ah that might have been it then. As others pointed out, they never had the keys in the emulator itself.
Dunno if Yuzu provided the game itself, or tools to extract the game successfully, but the main argument from Nintendo was still copy protection bypassing, which is illegal.
Actually now that I think about it, I’m pretty sure they also nuked the Switch dumping tools from GitHub long before they killed Yuzu for the same reason. All it did was extract the firmware and console keys, but it was enough to force the tools to be rehosted.
I thought Yuzu also didn’t include the keys. They had instructions on how you could copy them from a device you owned. Or was that something different?
Meh, emulate it and get better frame rates and higher resolution.
Why would I buy a console that plays the game at an inferior state?
Nintendo is free at any time to release their games on Steam or even their own PC storefront and if I could play it with my hardware then I’d buy most games at full price.
You could say “I wish their executives loved games as much as their developers and artists” or lament that they’re tied to such a cutthroat corporate machine or something. You do know you can express a more nuanced idea than “FUCK X THING” without kowtowing to some of the most high profile corporate bullshit out there, right
I personally got ahold of the final version of the source code to Ryujinx after it was pulled from
GitHub and put it on archive.org and I’m literally a random nobody who had nothing to do with the project so you are very incorrect. It was almost immediately picked up by other developers and is still seeing development to this day
There are alternatives, which will become more popular as it becomes more and more obvious that they are just part of the US national ‘security’ apparatus.
I should clarify, self hosted Gits for projects that may fall under targeted harassment by corporations (Eaglercraft, Switch Emulators, etc…) are becoming popular.
Ryujinx, operating out of Brazil, couldn’t be taken to court by Nintendo. So a lot of projects that could have Nintendo’s eye of sauron on them are looking for a safe country and self hosting as guaranteed insurance from a Yuzu situation.
Primary hosting, but they can always have a fallback for at-risk projects or even just use p2p. Of course that already increases the risk of a potentially hacked provider/repo or just fake/malware versions in the wild
There are hosts and nameservers located in countries that don’t give a fuck about companies like Nintendo.
In fact, the recent backlash about everything being hosted in the US has started to make this even easier as companies in other countries are stepping in to grab market share as companies look to flee US hosting.
Unfortunately, yes. They outsold switch 1 by about 2 mil so far in it’s first year and there’s still a few months to go. I will eventually get one I’m sure, but probably second hand.
I think I was misremembering a few recent milestones actually. The Switch recently overtook DS to become Nintendo’s best overall selling, while Switch 2 has already sold more than WiiU.
I’m saying that blocking backwards comparability can hurt sales, not the other way around. If the Switch 2 can run GBA or DS game, it’d be a huge selling point.
Oh ok, so not really relevant to the anti-emu topic—but I totally agree with your point. Imagine if they released an attachment that let you assemble the joycons and the screen in a vertical position for DS games? If they have the google thing for Virtual Boy, I don’t see how they couldn’t make this possible.
In the meantime, I play GBA to 3DS games on my hacked 3DS.
I mean Nintendo could always lower games prices, add the features you get from emulators, and make the experience vastly superior on the console, then these emulators would be far less relevant.
No, I’m sure they will just keep killing better options and charging their consumers as much as humanly possible without having to innovate their products.
They actually have. Emulation on the Switch has save states, cheat codes, and ROM hacks. Sort of.
So to clarify, for those who don’t know, first of all it’s not free. Nintendo Switch Online is required to play most of the emulated games. A few are gated behind the premium Expansion Pack membership (which also gets you expansions for Animal Crossing and Mario Kart). So this is how you play N64 and Genesis. Anyway, the games are curated (you get what they give you), but some have a star or something which means it’s basically a ROM hack with cheats. Like the one for Zelda II makes you level 8 in all three areas (sword, shield, magic IIRC). That’s it. Another might start you on the last level. One might give you all the items in the game. And not all games have alternate modes.
Yeah, I’d say NSO is now on the level I’d expect from a company offering. Still doesn’t compete with fan offerings, I.E. I can now play Windwaker on Switch 2, in a similar experience to original GameCube hardware, but on Dolphin I can play Windwaker with a widescreen code, in native 4K or higher, and using a fanmade texture pack like Hypatia’s, and the game is gorgeous. I can additionally access top-quality content like the randomizer, or even archipelago, with all sorts of optional enhancements like the swift sail. Or I could even emulate the Wii U remaster.
But, it’s meeting the level I expect from a paid team that has a few years targeting a mobile chipset, compared to decades of accumulated passionate fan effort. It’s reasonable, unlike at release where the N64 emulation had swathes of issues not even present on Wii/Wii U Virtual Console, for example.
I forget if they have fast forward/speed up and turbo though.
They don’t have RetroAchievements, more than 1 or 2 shaders, custom backgrounds, advanced key mapping, easy recording to OBS, permanent “ownership” of games and saves, the ability to use any USB or Bluetooth controller…I’m sure there’s plenty more.
Don’t get me wrong, I like NSO and I liked the Virtual Store(s)…but emulation on PC is still miles ahead of NSO and such.
The NES required companies to have nintendo make the cartridges for them and approve of games before doing so. You can say it improved quality over other systems but its still heavy handed and shitty from day one.
I love the games and consoles over the years but fuck nintendo all the same. They are capitalist greedy pigs like every other big game company.
Honestly, that kind of makes sense given the era the NES came out in. There was a fair amount of unplayable shovelware for the Atari, so having some oversight was probably good marketing at the time.
The practice of going after emulators and trying to establish exclusive rights to game mechanics that they didn’t actually invent is a bit further.
Lifetime of goodwill I believe the quote is. The OP is right on that too. I don’t know how old you are, but there’s a certain generation that allocates Nintendo an exceptional personal worth and views them as an exceptional company, due to the long standing memories that are associated with their products. Mainly the NES/Super NES era, but they had a few waves. It’s not really brainwashing, it’s literally like 20 or so years of memories with products that were key during crucial moments of our lives. So yeah, it’s a bit hard to reconcile that with the way they are acting in our modern age, honestly.
I am aware nostalgia is one hell of a drug, but they’ve never had “goodwill.” Dunno if you’re capable of reconciling goodtimes from a grift, but you better do so, and for your ill-associated fans.
I’ve hated them for far longer, and have given up hope you, and fans, will ever directly act upon this.
Wait, is this one of those “I didn’t know gambling was taboo and illegal too!” when making handmade cards used in gambling apologias? Or are you really going to defend gambling?
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This won’t fix your slumping sales Nintendo
I don’t understand. How will Nintendo shut down an emulator? does the emulator need Nintendo server to play the game?
Not at all. Not even for online multiplayer, I remember Yuzu had some way to play multiplayer (there’s even a whole discord server for this).
I think Nintendo is trying to scare everyone by trying to take everything down and sue. But we have seen that it does not work, it’ll just split the base once again in multiple fragments (with different emulators).
Though, it feels like the development of Switch emulation has stagnated. I don’t see improvements for current games that have trouble running on the emulators (which often both original Yuzu and Ryujinx would fix by time).
If you read the article they speculate it’s to slow down the development of a Switch 2 emulator.
Funny, here I am still using Yuzu
Still seeding it. Build: 4176
Stats:
Size: 936,5 MB
Upload: 37,6 GB
RarioRatio: 41,117:)
Legendary ratio.
Oh you’re using the comma as a decimal point… Still pretty good.
fun fact, most of the globe uses comma, anglophone sphere and china are the few ones using period for it
I got so used to using periods that I had to specify that I was using period as a decimal seperator in math exercises because here where I live it is uses comma
It’s-a-me, Rario!
nintendo got L + Rario’d
I love when this shit happens and it’s like oh, not the one I know about that literally has torrents bundling single games on pc to one click run the games lol
Good to know, will get them now
I was considering a Switch 2 but now… not so much.
Just wait until an emulator for switch 2. Then don’t buy it.
Nintendo succeeded in killing Yuzu because they had decryption keys which Nintendo could argue is breaking their copy protection, which is why they settled for 2.4 million dollars in sales damages because they knew they wouldn’t be able to win in court.
All of these forks have since removed the key and require the user to supply it (legally from your own console).
So in theory they should be protected under US law since emulation and reverse engineering is completely legal.
However
Nintendo also has infinite money to throw at the problem, and FOSS devs are usually not willing to deal with insane amount of personal liability because of a hobby, which is how they killed Ryujinx.
So you better hold onto your guts if you plan to fight Nintendo.
Or move to i2p so they can’t disable you lol.
Was not it also because they have their Patreons subscribers things such as early access to leaked games?
IGN Article
From the article;
I despise Nintendo but if this claim was true, they were earning money with pirated content, right?
Ah that might have been it then. As others pointed out, they never had the keys in the emulator itself.
Dunno if Yuzu provided the game itself, or tools to extract the game successfully, but the main argument from Nintendo was still copy protection bypassing, which is illegal.
Actually now that I think about it, I’m pretty sure they also nuked the Switch dumping tools from GitHub long before they killed Yuzu for the same reason. All it did was extract the firmware and console keys, but it was enough to force the tools to be rehosted.
Emulation isn’t protected.
Yes it is
That was the use of emulators in advertising to show performance differences.
It does not protect emulation as the company went bankrupt before that could be decided.
You needed to acquire encryption keys for both Ryujinx and Yuzu.
Yuzu just requested money and put features behind a donator paywall
I thought Yuzu also didn’t include the keys. They had instructions on how you could copy them from a device you owned. Or was that something different?
The emulator didn’t, but I think they had one somewhere in their git history or website.
I forgot now, but I vaguely remember Nintendo pointing out a specific key that was found under the parent company’s assets.
Could be wrong though, maybe they really did just get screwed over
probably not the git history, because if it was then that woould still be present across forks
Plus sending goons to his house.
Allegedly.
pokemon cards alone accounts for billions in profit/revenue. they have plenty of money.
Meh, emulate it and get better frame rates and higher resolution.
Why would I buy a console that plays the game at an inferior state?
Nintendo is free at any time to release their games on Steam or even their own PC storefront and if I could play it with my hardware then I’d buy most games at full price.
Until then, nah I’m good.
God I would play all the Zelda games I missed not hassling with their consoles if they put them on Steam. Last Nintendo Console I owned was Wii.
Agree, as long as we are forced to bullshit, I’ll just keep my hands dirty.
I never thought to emulate the switch until they killed the first emulator. Now I download the latest emu and roms nearly every month. Fuck Nintendo.
Yeah me too, i used to stick to the classics, gba and all but after they took down yuzu and eden became a thing i started using it
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Fuck Nintendo.
FTFY
They still make banger games and consoles.
You could say “I wish their executives loved games as much as their developers and artists” or lament that they’re tied to such a cutthroat corporate machine or something. You do know you can express a more nuanced idea than “FUCK X THING” without kowtowing to some of the most high profile corporate bullshit out there, right
Who do you think they work for
It must be someone who doesn’t understand the situation. Surely not Nintendo. My parasocial relationship with that company tells me they’re swell!
Lick more boots
Open source is hard to kill off forever. Someone, somewhere is gonna have the repo.
Getting it off GitHub is usually enough to effectively kill it.
I personally got ahold of the final version of the source code to Ryujinx after it was pulled from GitHub and put it on archive.org and I’m literally a random nobody who had nothing to do with the project so you are very incorrect. It was almost immediately picked up by other developers and is still seeing development to this day
Oh well if you archived it then its not dead!
Naa most projects are still fine off github. Theres a couple of emus that are now officially off gh and they are still being worked on.
Self-hosted gits in a country that doesn’t care are becoming popular.
What makes you say that? Probably 95% of FOSS projects I see are still hosted on GH.
Oh, github, a division of MicroSlop?
There are alternatives, which will become more popular as it becomes more and more obvious that they are just part of the US national ‘security’ apparatus.
No, I meant GoodHank. The younger, better version of Hank Hill.
Maybe 95% of your FOSS projects aren’t “free” enough ;o
They’re not XD
I should clarify, self hosted Gits for projects that may fall under targeted harassment by corporations (Eaglercraft, Switch Emulators, etc…) are becoming popular.
Ryujinx, operating out of Brazil, couldn’t be taken to court by Nintendo. So a lot of projects that could have Nintendo’s eye of sauron on them are looking for a safe country and self hosting as guaranteed insurance from a Yuzu situation.
Lemmy is a bit of an echo chamber in that regard
Primary hosting, but they can always have a fallback for at-risk projects or even just use p2p. Of course that already increases the risk of a potentially hacked provider/repo or just fake/malware versions in the wild
They’ll need to proactively clone it to a non-github repos before its shutdown.
Doesn’t matter if they clone it or not.
Why? Why is it harder to get it from codeberg or even self hosted forges?
It’s not like most people find it by randomly browsing Github
It’s not harder to get it from there, it’s harder to get contributors.
They absolutely do, that’s why devs are always begging for “stars”.
Until someone puts it back…
Eden’s primary git repo is self-hosted. This doesn’t affect them at all.
Nintendo’s lawyers have reach beyond github. They only need to chat with your hosting company or nameserver.
There are hosts and nameservers located in countries that don’t give a fuck about companies like Nintendo.
In fact, the recent backlash about everything being hosted in the US has started to make this even easier as companies in other countries are stepping in to grab market share as companies look to flee US hosting.
Now that, im excited about 100%
Sure, but since the project itself is not illegal, they could just keep mirroring it and even throw it up on a .onion site or an I2P eepsite.
Do yo know which is the official website and repository? When I search different results popup and I don’t know which is original.
https://eden-emu.dev/
And it will still not improve the sales of the Switch 2.
Isn’t it selling well?
Unfortunately, yes. They outsold switch 1 by about 2 mil so far in it’s first year and there’s still a few months to go. I will eventually get one I’m sure, but probably second hand.
I mean, wasn’t switch 2 the fastest selling console of all time?
No, the fastest selling NINTENDO console (IIRC)
I think I was misremembering a few recent milestones actually. The Switch recently overtook DS to become Nintendo’s best overall selling, while Switch 2 has already sold more than WiiU.
Selling more than the WiiU is a very low bar.
Agreed but it’s still remarkable given the time frame.
Honestly, it could hurt it sales a lot. Historically, a lot of successful Nintendo systems had backwards comparability as a major selling point.
I don’t understand your point. How is blocking emus ruining the Switch 2’s backward compatibility?
I’m saying that blocking backwards comparability can hurt sales, not the other way around. If the Switch 2 can run GBA or DS game, it’d be a huge selling point.
Oh ok, so not really relevant to the anti-emu topic—but I totally agree with your point. Imagine if they released an attachment that let you assemble the joycons and the screen in a vertical position for DS games? If they have the google thing for Virtual Boy, I don’t see how they couldn’t make this possible. In the meantime, I play GBA to 3DS games on my hacked 3DS.
I mean Nintendo could always lower games prices, add the features you get from emulators, and make the experience vastly superior on the console, then these emulators would be far less relevant.
No, I’m sure they will just keep killing better options and charging their consumers as much as humanly possible without having to innovate their products.
They actually have. Emulation on the Switch has save states, cheat codes, and ROM hacks. Sort of.
So to clarify, for those who don’t know, first of all it’s not free. Nintendo Switch Online is required to play most of the emulated games. A few are gated behind the premium Expansion Pack membership (which also gets you expansions for Animal Crossing and Mario Kart). So this is how you play N64 and Genesis. Anyway, the games are curated (you get what they give you), but some have a star or something which means it’s basically a ROM hack with cheats. Like the one for Zelda II makes you level 8 in all three areas (sword, shield, magic IIRC). That’s it. Another might start you on the last level. One might give you all the items in the game. And not all games have alternate modes.
So hey, they’re kind of trying.
Agree on the rest though.
Yeah, I’d say NSO is now on the level I’d expect from a company offering. Still doesn’t compete with fan offerings, I.E. I can now play Windwaker on Switch 2, in a similar experience to original GameCube hardware, but on Dolphin I can play Windwaker with a widescreen code, in native 4K or higher, and using a fanmade texture pack like Hypatia’s, and the game is gorgeous. I can additionally access top-quality content like the randomizer, or even archipelago, with all sorts of optional enhancements like the swift sail. Or I could even emulate the Wii U remaster.
But, it’s meeting the level I expect from a paid team that has a few years targeting a mobile chipset, compared to decades of accumulated passionate fan effort. It’s reasonable, unlike at release where the N64 emulation had swathes of issues not even present on Wii/Wii U Virtual Console, for example.
I forget if they have fast forward/speed up and turbo though.
They don’t have RetroAchievements, more than 1 or 2 shaders, custom backgrounds, advanced key mapping, easy recording to OBS, permanent “ownership” of games and saves, the ability to use any USB or Bluetooth controller…I’m sure there’s plenty more.
Don’t get me wrong, I like NSO and I liked the Virtual Store(s)…but emulation on PC is still miles ahead of NSO and such.
It’s crazy to watch a company burn a lifetime of good will in just a few years of chasing copyright litigation.
They’re selling $80 games with no problems so it seems to be working out for them.
The NES required companies to have nintendo make the cartridges for them and approve of games before doing so. You can say it improved quality over other systems but its still heavy handed and shitty from day one.
I love the games and consoles over the years but fuck nintendo all the same. They are capitalist greedy pigs like every other big game company.
Honestly, that kind of makes sense given the era the NES came out in. There was a fair amount of unplayable shovelware for the Atari, so having some oversight was probably good marketing at the time.
The practice of going after emulators and trying to establish exclusive rights to game mechanics that they didn’t actually invent is a bit further.
Their propaganda brainwashed you too hard, eh?
Lifetime of goodwill I believe the quote is. The OP is right on that too. I don’t know how old you are, but there’s a certain generation that allocates Nintendo an exceptional personal worth and views them as an exceptional company, due to the long standing memories that are associated with their products. Mainly the NES/Super NES era, but they had a few waves. It’s not really brainwashing, it’s literally like 20 or so years of memories with products that were key during crucial moments of our lives. So yeah, it’s a bit hard to reconcile that with the way they are acting in our modern age, honestly.
Old to recall they were a card grifting company.
I am aware nostalgia is one hell of a drug, but they’ve never had “goodwill.” Dunno if you’re capable of reconciling goodtimes from a grift, but you better do so, and for your ill-associated fans.
I’ve hated them for far longer, and have given up hope you, and fans, will ever directly act upon this.
Starting a company is a grift! Selling hand made products is a grift!
Nintendo makes handmade products‽
Corporations are companies‽
Is your non-sequitur necessary‽
The page you posted said they started walking handmade cards in 1889, calling it a grift is laughable. And no need to be pedantic
Wait, is this one of those “I didn’t know gambling was taboo and illegal too!” when making handmade cards used in gambling apologias? Or are you really going to defend gambling?
I hate our timeline so much man…
it won’t fix itself. So let’s get to demolishing.