I mean… I’ll eventually play it, but when it’s on sale for like less than $20aud and all the bugs are fixed and the rest of the content is added.
The current approach to releasing half complete games at high prices, and then just trickle updates, means gamers are incentivised to just wait a year or two after a games releases before giving it a go.
Ya know… if they had spent a single second on the story instead and maybe made a cohesive plot that followed anywhere close to the first instead of phoning in the bullshit they did…it might have been a bit more well received.
$70 for a game is mad. Even if it was critically acclaimed and award winning who can afford that when most people struggle to live? Even $50 is a lot of money. Big game developers have lost the plot.
AAA games are just too expensive and many are just not finished at release now. I’m not forking out top dollar for a half finished game. Outer Worlds 2 is still $89.99 CAD. That is absolutely insane in my opinion. I enjoyed the first one, but I also bought it on sale. Indy games nowadays are generally a better bang for your buck anyways and theyre only $30-40 regular price and they are also generally at a finished state or at the very least very honest about the state they are in.
I’ll probably pick the game up in 2 years when its $20 on Steam or something.
So whether companies learn to make their games affordable for the vast majority of Americans who are cash strapped or not is irrelevant to me.
I’m just wondering how long it takes these companies to realize how many others like me there are out there and that they could be making a lot more money if they just made prices reasonable.
I actualy finally have a decent income and I still do what I do if the price isn’t fair, just out of spite.
This for me too. It is too high a ticket price for a game I want to play but am not completely excited about. My hardware will possibly also struggle with this title, so that was too high of a barrier for me.
God man, shits so sad but I’d be lying if I said I was surprised at all. The first one was very OK, like it was certainly a game that I played and bothered completing. They were very lucky someone had the idea to make Parvati in the first game, the rest of the crew was a snooze fest (at least for me). But then I see the shitty commercial they made for the companions in the 2nd game, and no fucking wonder it didn’t sell! They tell you nothing, play that god awful song over some shitty footage and crack a joke about how none of them are romance-able. They then charge 80 bucks, and make fun of you if you pay for their premium edition, yea go fuck yourself obsidian, and stop taking credit for new Vegas, none of those team members are still around.
I’m not sure which of you is right, but another comment below said JSawyer is still at Obsidian. That’s the name for me, and probably for a lot of people.
I’ll be real, I did not know he still worked there, that’s what I get for saying things without looking it up. That being said, according to Wikipedia, he didn’t have a hand in OW1, Avowed, or OW2. Why brag about having JSawyer if he isn’t even working on it you know?
Might just be me but… I really like the companions in the Outer Worlds 2. They’re way better than the first game. The inability to romance them was actually a selling point to me, because I assumed that meant each character’s arc would focus on their own story unrelated to their relationship with the player, like in New Vegas.
So far, I’ve loved how Inez especially expands on the history of Auntie’s Choice. There’s one companion that’s just a little goofy, but I also don’t know how you’d do that character without making them extremely naive.
The game as a whole actually is much more fleshed-out than the first, at least thus far (halfway through). I highly recommend getting it on a sale.
Outer worlds 1 was fine. It was goofy, had character, but no depth to it’s story. The gunplay was not good, not for me anyway. Can we not do bullet sponges and leveled lists? Can levels give you abilities instead of numbers? Honestly would have been a better game if it was an isometric RPG, which obsidian is good at making.
It’s a great game imho, but I was gifted my copy - in no world is any game worth €80, this one included, it’s completely divorced from reality to charge that much. Fucking tragic the publisher just killed it on delivery.
Yeah, the price for new games had been fixed for a long time at €50, and then the industry decided to whack it up to €70 just as the cost of living reached even higher.
And now they are standing around scratching their heads asking why their games failed…
Now, I realize that the cost of living also affects companies and their staff, but come on, you don’t whack the price up by 40% in one go, you start earlier and raise it by 10-20%, let it stabilize and go from there.
The first one felt very forced as far as the leftist story goes. I’m as leftist as there is but it still felt really heavy handed. I got maybe 3 hours in and never picked it up again.
Fallout is anti-corporate. But you’re dealing with the aftermath of runaway capitalism, instead of being inside of it. Whereas the outer worlds felt like a too long episode of Futurama featuring mom corp.
I feel that the game would have been fine if it was an actually game worth playing. The first game already was kinda meh and I don’t even know who demanded a sequel. Nobody is going to pay 80 Euro for a mediocre game when they could get a bunch of indie games with that money.
I think it was good, but not memorable. It was… Fine. It was a fun romp, I don’t feel like I wasted it, but I don’t think there needs to be a huge franchise either.
I’m all for fine games. Not everything needs to be red dead levels and they did that with outer worlds. That said, I was shocked when Microsoft wanted 80 bucks for it when the first one was clearly a 40 dollar game
Outer Worlds 2, Avowed, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age Veilguard - each one of these games were touted for their improved combat, at least improved movement. That’s not to say any are great, just that they’re not as clunky as previous games. They are not standout in that regard. So for Bioware and Obsidian, it is still the case that their draw is writing in a higher budget RPG than the startup indie scene. Pretty much where Owlcat is now getting to with Warhammer and the Expanse licensed games, that’s where Bioware and Obsidian were 20-25 years ago. Narrative games
Bioware and Obsidian games aren’t so fun to play to appeal with mediocre writing. I think like an 80+% reduction of irony, snark, sarcasm, eye rolls, modern slang, knods to modern culture would do wonders for their games writing. Don’t have to get rid of all of it. Just have them be more fun finds in a dialog tree that make them memorable and each high quality while the rest of the narrative takes itself seriously. I’ll 5 great jokes over 100, “ehh I get it. I guess that’s funny.”
I couldn’t get into veil guard. The combat was pretty good and it looks pretty. The characters were annoying and seemed… Type cast? All their dialogue seemed corny. Maybe they get better throughout the story but the story also didn’t grab me.
I played all the others and the mass effect series multiple times. I even enjoyed Andromeda for what it was (though I quit at the final mission save for some reason).
My guess on Veilguard is that after the original creator left, now it was up to remaining writers to maintain passion in lore that they didn’t formulate. So Veilguard, it all gets watered down and anticlimactically rolled out and the focus ended up being relationship drama which still sucked.
A Dragon Age game that wants to be Lifetime channel medieval teenage fantasy romance but the characters are all seasoned combat veteran adults so it’s very weird for them to behaving so childish and unprofessional or even blase about the world ending/faith shattering reveals in the story. They are weirdly archetypal high school students placed in the wrong story
I played DA1-3 a bunch of times. Veilguard just sucks. ME1-3 I never liked like KOTOR 1and 2 but good enough. Andromeda, it’s not interesting. Dropped maybe halfway through. Good gunplay and movement but overly big uninteresting worlds. I don’t remember what any character wanted. At least Inquisition, the different areas were visually memorable
I remember getting it because the hype around it being better at RPG storytelling than Fallout 4 which was still new was the number one thing I heard about it.
While it is better written, I’ll give it that, it very much suffers from the same lack of interesting choices that Fallout 4 has. You have rebel, capitalist, and maybe sometimes a neutral 3rd option. Having two of those three choices just make one side happy and the other mad at you isn’t exactly the kind of depth I was hoping for.
And the action is pretty mid at best, while Fallout 4 I have pretty much always thought of as a pretty damn good looter shooter where it fails at being a halfway decent RPG.
I’m afraid you’re conflating “Fallout” with “Bethesda”. Fallout 1&2 are peak Fallout, and they are neither shallow nor janky. Well, maybe slightly janky but more in the sense of “dated” than Bethesda type jank.
Didn’t mind the first one, but you are out of your mind if you think I would pay $70 for this game. Especially after they tried to sell it for $80 at first. Thank god that didn’t fly. Fuck you Microsoft.
It’s crazy too, because most games that launch for $70, you can just wait 3 months and then they’ll have a 30% sale. I will be picking it up this March, should go on sale for like 40%.
On Steam https://store.steampowered.com/app/1449110/The_Outer_Worlds_2/ the lowest price it had was 2 month ago (approx. 1 year after release on Steam I think) at 30% cut, which is 49 Euros down from 70. So it might take another 6 or even 12 months before going lower than that.
The Outer Worlds 2 came out October 29th, 2025 (not even 4 months ago). So for it to already be at 30% 2 months after release gives me hope that it’ll go down much more next sale. I’m assuming it didn’t sell that well on steam just looking at number of reviews and all time player count peak.
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But i thought capitalisme le bad with reddit humor was very popular ?
What happenned ? Does the dev that was proud to publicly said he did racial discrimination to recruit new talent was wrong once again ?
I mean… I’ll eventually play it, but when it’s on sale for like less than $20aud and all the bugs are fixed and the rest of the content is added.
The current approach to releasing half complete games at high prices, and then just trickle updates, means gamers are incentivised to just wait a year or two after a games releases before giving it a go.
Ya know… if they had spent a single second on the story instead and maybe made a cohesive plot that followed anywhere close to the first instead of phoning in the bullshit they did…it might have been a bit more well received.
im guessing outer worlds 2 has a similar story to borderlands 4? which if so im definitely not interested lol
Never played BL4…so can’t comment. As far as OW2… they had a decent bit of potential to work with…and instead went a different route entirely
from the little i played of ow2 it seemed like the exact same story setup as borderlands 4 lol
That’s unfortunate…
$70 for a game is mad. Even if it was critically acclaimed and award winning who can afford that when most people struggle to live? Even $50 is a lot of money. Big game developers have lost the plot.
AAA games are just too expensive and many are just not finished at release now. I’m not forking out top dollar for a half finished game. Outer Worlds 2 is still $89.99 CAD. That is absolutely insane in my opinion. I enjoyed the first one, but I also bought it on sale. Indy games nowadays are generally a better bang for your buck anyways and theyre only $30-40 regular price and they are also generally at a finished state or at the very least very honest about the state they are in.
I’ll probably pick the game up in 2 years when its $20 on Steam or something.
This will be the new normal for a couple years. Then when no one in the US can afford a $30 game. They’ll set the prices back for $60.
I mean I play the games either way.
So whether companies learn to make their games affordable for the vast majority of Americans who are cash strapped or not is irrelevant to me.
I’m just wondering how long it takes these companies to realize how many others like me there are out there and that they could be making a lot more money if they just made prices reasonable.
I actualy finally have a decent income and I still do what I do if the price isn’t fair, just out of spite.
This for me too. It is too high a ticket price for a game I want to play but am not completely excited about. My hardware will possibly also struggle with this title, so that was too high of a barrier for me.
I’m not surprised. I was going into the final stretch of Outer Worlds 1 and realized I just don’t care. It wasn’t a bad game but New Vegas it was not.
It did make for a great Secret Level episode though.
Right. An hour after maxing out my character I realized I wasn’t really having fun anymore, I was just trying to get it over with.
God man, shits so sad but I’d be lying if I said I was surprised at all. The first one was very OK, like it was certainly a game that I played and bothered completing. They were very lucky someone had the idea to make Parvati in the first game, the rest of the crew was a snooze fest (at least for me). But then I see the shitty commercial they made for the companions in the 2nd game, and no fucking wonder it didn’t sell! They tell you nothing, play that god awful song over some shitty footage and crack a joke about how none of them are romance-able. They then charge 80 bucks, and make fun of you if you pay for their premium edition, yea go fuck yourself obsidian, and stop taking credit for new Vegas, none of those team members are still around.
I’m not sure which of you is right, but another comment below said JSawyer is still at Obsidian. That’s the name for me, and probably for a lot of people.
I’ll be real, I did not know he still worked there, that’s what I get for saying things without looking it up. That being said, according to Wikipedia, he didn’t have a hand in OW1, Avowed, or OW2. Why brag about having JSawyer if he isn’t even working on it you know?
dude parvarti was like 95% of the reason i kept playing outer worlds 1 until the end 😂
Might just be me but… I really like the companions in the Outer Worlds 2. They’re way better than the first game. The inability to romance them was actually a selling point to me, because I assumed that meant each character’s arc would focus on their own story unrelated to their relationship with the player, like in New Vegas.
So far, I’ve loved how Inez especially expands on the history of Auntie’s Choice. There’s one companion that’s just a little goofy, but I also don’t know how you’d do that character without making them extremely naive.
The game as a whole actually is much more fleshed-out than the first, at least thus far (halfway through). I highly recommend getting it on a sale.
This is an accurate take haha.
Outer worlds 1 was fine. It was goofy, had character, but no depth to it’s story. The gunplay was not good, not for me anyway. Can we not do bullet sponges and leveled lists? Can levels give you abilities instead of numbers? Honestly would have been a better game if it was an isometric RPG, which obsidian is good at making.
Was. But I do agree.
It underperformed due to them overcharging for it.
I had my sights set on buying it shortly after launch, then they decided to charge €80 for it on launch, and still charge €70 for it.
I would be fine with €60, but more is just greedy.
And yes I noticed way too late that they had it on sale for €50 this december, and I missed that opportunity due to other expenses.
It’s a great game imho, but I was gifted my copy - in no world is any game worth €80, this one included, it’s completely divorced from reality to charge that much. Fucking tragic the publisher just killed it on delivery.
Yeah, the price for new games had been fixed for a long time at €50, and then the industry decided to whack it up to €70 just as the cost of living reached even higher.
And now they are standing around scratching their heads asking why their games failed…
Now, I realize that the cost of living also affects companies and their staff, but come on, you don’t whack the price up by 40% in one go, you start earlier and raise it by 10-20%, let it stabilize and go from there.
That is more in line with the inflation rate.
Aside from it being a high price for any game, the first game also was very meh, you can’t expect lots of sales from its fans
The first one felt very forced as far as the leftist story goes. I’m as leftist as there is but it still felt really heavy handed. I got maybe 3 hours in and never picked it up again.
It was a pretty standard anti-corporate satire that would not have stood out against films like Brazil or Joe vs the Volcano.
Fallout is anti-corporate. But you’re dealing with the aftermath of runaway capitalism, instead of being inside of it. Whereas the outer worlds felt like a too long episode of Futurama featuring mom corp.
I basically refuse to pay more than $50 for a game.
The outer wilds had some good press but by the time I was interested it was given away for free. Guessing that’ll be the case here too.
I feel that the game would have been fine if it was an actually game worth playing. The first game already was kinda meh and I don’t even know who demanded a sequel. Nobody is going to pay 80 Euro for a mediocre game when they could get a bunch of indie games with that money.
I really enjoyed the first one, and am looking forward to the second, but first it needs to get a better price, and preferably get on GOG.
They actually walked back the 80 to 70 BEFORE launch, but the bad press about it stuck anyway.
I skipped it myself cuz even though I generally like Obsidian games, I don’t spend money on microsoft anymore.
Saw it came out and thought for a second “I want to play that” but in reality there was nothing redeeming from the first to bring me back
Thats where I’m at. I’m just now wrapping up Outer Worlds 1 and its just not that good or memorable.
I think it was good, but not memorable. It was… Fine. It was a fun romp, I don’t feel like I wasted it, but I don’t think there needs to be a huge franchise either.
I’m all for fine games. Not everything needs to be red dead levels and they did that with outer worlds. That said, I was shocked when Microsoft wanted 80 bucks for it when the first one was clearly a 40 dollar game
i finished the first one but couldn’t even push past 2 hours on the second. Just awful
Outer Worlds 2, Avowed, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age Veilguard - each one of these games were touted for their improved combat, at least improved movement. That’s not to say any are great, just that they’re not as clunky as previous games. They are not standout in that regard. So for Bioware and Obsidian, it is still the case that their draw is writing in a higher budget RPG than the startup indie scene. Pretty much where Owlcat is now getting to with Warhammer and the Expanse licensed games, that’s where Bioware and Obsidian were 20-25 years ago. Narrative games
Bioware and Obsidian games aren’t so fun to play to appeal with mediocre writing. I think like an 80+% reduction of irony, snark, sarcasm, eye rolls, modern slang, knods to modern culture would do wonders for their games writing. Don’t have to get rid of all of it. Just have them be more fun finds in a dialog tree that make them memorable and each high quality while the rest of the narrative takes itself seriously. I’ll 5 great jokes over 100, “ehh I get it. I guess that’s funny.”
I couldn’t get into veil guard. The combat was pretty good and it looks pretty. The characters were annoying and seemed… Type cast? All their dialogue seemed corny. Maybe they get better throughout the story but the story also didn’t grab me.
I played all the others and the mass effect series multiple times. I even enjoyed Andromeda for what it was (though I quit at the final mission save for some reason).
My guess on Veilguard is that after the original creator left, now it was up to remaining writers to maintain passion in lore that they didn’t formulate. So Veilguard, it all gets watered down and anticlimactically rolled out and the focus ended up being relationship drama which still sucked.
A Dragon Age game that wants to be Lifetime channel medieval teenage fantasy romance but the characters are all seasoned combat veteran adults so it’s very weird for them to behaving so childish and unprofessional or even blase about the world ending/faith shattering reveals in the story. They are weirdly archetypal high school students placed in the wrong story
I played DA1-3 a bunch of times. Veilguard just sucks. ME1-3 I never liked like KOTOR 1and 2 but good enough. Andromeda, it’s not interesting. Dropped maybe halfway through. Good gunplay and movement but overly big uninteresting worlds. I don’t remember what any character wanted. At least Inquisition, the different areas were visually memorable
Honestly, the first one was Ok, I’m kinda surprised there was a second one.
Ok, not really surprised since every IP needs to be a franchise, but you know what I mean.
I didn’t realise it came out already. Whoops.
I enjoyed it… sorry.
Don’t apologize for enjoying a game.
The first one was mostly terrible and coasted on, 'not Bethesda ’ and fallout vibes. But it was shallow and janky.
I remember getting it because the hype around it being better at RPG storytelling than Fallout 4 which was still new was the number one thing I heard about it.
While it is better written, I’ll give it that, it very much suffers from the same lack of interesting choices that Fallout 4 has. You have rebel, capitalist, and maybe sometimes a neutral 3rd option. Having two of those three choices just make one side happy and the other mad at you isn’t exactly the kind of depth I was hoping for.
And the action is pretty mid at best, while Fallout 4 I have pretty much always thought of as a pretty damn good looter shooter where it fails at being a halfway decent RPG.
Shallow and janky is peak fallout.
I’m afraid you’re conflating “Fallout” with “Bethesda”. Fallout 1&2 are peak Fallout, and they are neither shallow nor janky. Well, maybe slightly janky but more in the sense of “dated” than Bethesda type jank.
Didn’t mind the first one, but you are out of your mind if you think I would pay $70 for this game. Especially after they tried to sell it for $80 at first. Thank god that didn’t fly. Fuck you Microsoft.
It’s crazy too, because most games that launch for $70, you can just wait 3 months and then they’ll have a 30% sale. I will be picking it up this March, should go on sale for like 40%.
On Steam https://store.steampowered.com/app/1449110/The_Outer_Worlds_2/ the lowest price it had was 2 month ago (approx. 1 year after release on Steam I think) at 30% cut, which is 49 Euros down from 70. So it might take another 6 or even 12 months before going lower than that.
The Outer Worlds 2 came out October 29th, 2025 (not even 4 months ago). So for it to already be at 30% 2 months after release gives me hope that it’ll go down much more next sale. I’m assuming it didn’t sell that well on steam just looking at number of reviews and all time player count peak.
Oops my bad. I thought its already a year ago… lol time does not fly!