Yep. Intel sat on their asses for a decade pushing quad cores one has to pay extra to even overclock.
Then AMD implements chiplets, comes out with affordable 6, 8, 12, and 16 core desktop processors with unlocked multipliers, hyperthreading built into almost every model, and strong performance. All of this while also not sucking down power like Intel’s chips still do.
Intel cached in their lead by not investing in themselves and instead pushing the same tired crap year after year onto consumers.
All of the exploits against Intel processors didn’t help either. Not only is it a bad look, but the fixes reduced the speed of the those processors, making them quite a bit worse deal for the money after all.
Meltdown and Spectre? Those also applied to AMD CPUs as well, just to a lesser degree (or rather, they had their own flavor of similar vulnerabilities). I think they even recently found a similar one for ARM chips…
Yea that definitely sounds like Intel… Though it’s still worth pointing out that one of them was a novel way to spy on program memory that affects many CPU types and not really indicative of a dropped ball. (outside of shipping with known vulnerabilities, anyways)
… The power stuff from 12/13th gens or what ever though… ouch, massive dropped ball.
They really segmented that market in the worst possible way, 2 cores and 4 cores only, possibility to use vms or overclock, and so on. Add windoze eating up every +5%/year.
Remember buying the 2600(maybe X) and it was soo fast.
The 2600k was exceptionally good and was relevant well past the normal upgrade timeframes.
Really it only got left behind because of its 4C/8T limit as everything started supporting lots of threads instead of just a couple, and just being a 2nd Generation i7.
Yes, that was a beast! I was poor and had to wait and got the generation after, the 3770K and already the segmentation was there, I got overlooking possibilities but not the VM stuff…
Really it only got left behind because of its 4C/8T limit as everything started supporting lots of threads instead of just a couple, and just being a 2nd Generation i7.
Past me made the accidentally more financially prudent move of opting for the i7-4790k over the i5-4690k which ultimately lasted me nearly a decade. At the time the advice was of course “4 cores is all you need, don’t waste the money on an i7” but those 4 extra threads made all the difference in the longevity of that PC
I think AMD also did a smart thing by branding their sockets. AM4, AM5, what do you think is going to be next? I bet it’s AM6. What came after the Intel LGA1151? It wasn’t LGA1152.
AMD tried the Intel thing too by stopping support of past generation CPU on latter AM4 boards though. Only after public outcry did they scrap that. Wouldn’t put it past them to try it again on AM5.
And all of the failures that plagued the 13 and 14 gens. That was the main reason I switched to AMD. My 13th gen CPU was borked and had to be kept underclocked.
It would cause system instability (programs/games crashing) when running normally. I had to underclock it through Intel’s XTU to make things stable again.
This was after all the BIOS updates from ASUS and with all BIOS settings set to the safe options.
When I originally got it I did notice that it was getting insanely high scores in benchmarks, then the story broke of how Intel and motherboard manufacturers were letting the CPUs clock as high as possible until they hit the thermal limit. Then mine started to fail I think about a year after I got it.
In the 486 era (90s) there was a not official story about the way Intel marked its CPUs: instead of starting slow and accelerate until failure, start as fast as you can and slow down until it doesn’t fail.
As a person that generally buys either mid-tier stuff or the flagship products from a couple years ago, it got pretty fucking ridiculous to have to figure out which socket made sense for any given intel chip. The apparently arbitrary naming convention didn’t help.
Which is a pretty arbitrary naming convention since the number of pins in a socket doesn’t really tell you anything especially when that naming convention does NOT get applied to the processors that plug into them.
Or the 1200 different versions of CPUs. We just got some new Dell machines for our DR site last year and the number of CPU options was overwhelming. Is it really necessary for that many different CPUs?
Tbf AMD is also guilty of that, in the laptop/mobile segment specifically. And the whole AI naming thing is just dumb, albeit there aren’t that many of those
It’s been trending the opposite for a while. Intel has mostly stolen AMD’s market share. And AMD has largely gone “me too!” to Nvidia raking customers over the coal.
DDR4 compatibility held on for a while though after AM5 was full DDR5.
The only real issue they had which has led to the current dire straits is the 13th/14th gen gradual failures from power/heat which they initially tried to claim didn’t exist. If that didn’t happen AMD would still have next to no market share.
You still find people swearing up and down that intel is the only way to go, even despite the true stagnation of progress on the processor side for a long, long time. A couple of cherry picked benchmarks where they lead by a miniscule amount is all they care about, scheduling / parking issues be damned.
I don’t disagree that intel has been shit for a long time, but they were still the go to recommendation all the way through the 14th gen. It wasn’t until the 5800x3d came along that people started really looking at AMD for gaming… and if you’re not doing a prebuilt odds are you wanted the fastest processor, not the one that is most efficient.
I had a 5800x because I didn’t want yet another intel rig after a 4790k. Then I went on to the 5800x3d, before the 9800x3d now. The 5800x was behind intel, and for me it was just a stopgap anyway because a 5950x was not purchasable when I was building. It was just good enough.
As someone who lived through the fTPM firmware issue on AM4… I can confidently state that the tpm freezes were a dealbreaker. If you didn’t use fTPM and had the module disabled, or you updated your firmware after release you were fine - but the ftpm bug was for many, MANY years unsolved. It persisted for multiple generations. You could randomly freeze for a few seconds in any game (or any software) at any time… sometimes only once every few hours, sometimes multiple times in the span of a few minutes. That’s not usable by any stretch for gaming or anything important.
This might be true for the top of the line builds, but for any build from budget to just below that Ryzen has been a good and commonly recommended choice for a long time
Prebuilt have all kinds of hardware and unfortunately many users go with those. I offered to do a 265k 5070ti build for my brother’s girlfriend but he instead spent the same amount on a 265k 5070 32gb 5200mhz prebuilt. He does some dev work and she does a tiny amount of creative work and honestly I think he wanted to make sure her system was inferior to his. 1 year warranty and you have to pay to ship the whole system in if there’s any issues. He wouldn’t even consider AMD or going with a custom build like I do for myself and others (just finished another intel build over the weekend for a coworker, diehard intel even after the issues…)
In the custom build world I think you find more gamers and people who want the fastest gear they can afford, which is why we see gamers picking up AMD x3d chips today. They aren’t beaten and aren’t just the most expensive option.
AM5 as a platform still has issues with memory training, though it’s largely set it and forget it until you reboot after a month or dont have memory context restore enabled in bios.
I’m less familiar with the intel side nowadays despite literally just doing a build. They seem to win on boot times unless you accept the instability of AMD’s fast boot memory check bypass stuff. Getting a government bailout though is enough to make me want to avoid them indefinitely for my own gear so I doubt I’ll get much hands on with the current or next gen.
So happy I chose to go with AM4 board years ago. Was able to go from Zen+ CPU to X3D CPU.
I remember people said back then people usually don’t upgrade their CPU, so its not that much a selling point. But, people didn’t upgrade because they couldn’t due to constant socket changes on the Intel side.
My fps numbers were very happy after the CPU upgrade, and I didn’t have to get a new board and new set of ram.
I have to lower my 12th Gen cpu multiplier to stop constant crashing when playing UE games, because everything is overlooked at the factory so they could keep up with AMD performance. Fuck Intel.
I’ve been buying AMD since the K6-2, because AMD almost always had the better price/performance ratio (as opposed to outright top performance) and, almost as importantly, because I liked supporting the underdog.
That means it was folks like me who helped keep AMD in business long enough to catch up with and then pass Intel. You’re welcome.
It also means I recently bought my first Intel product in decades, an Arc GPU. Weird that it’s the underdog now, LOL.
I’ve been buying since the the Phenom II days with the X3 720. One could easily unlock their 4th core for an easy performance boost. Most of the time it’d work without a hassle.
I’ve got an FX 8350, sure AMD fell behind during that time but it was by no means a bad CPU imo. Main PC’s got a 7800X3D now but my FX system is still working just fine to this day, especially since upgrading to an SSD and 16GB RAM some years ago. It can technically even run Cyberpunk 2077 with console like frame rates on high settings.
But a Phenom II X6 outperformed it sometimes, single thread and multithreaded. That’s crazy given Pildriver’s two generation jump and huge process/transistor count advantage. Power consumption was awful in any form factor.
Look. I am an AMD simp. I will praise my 7800X3D all day. But there were a whole bunch of internet apologist for Bulldozer back then, so I don’t want to mince words:
It was bad.
Objectively bad, a few software niches aside. Between cheaper Phenoms and the reasonably priced 2500K/4670K, it made zero financial sense 99% of the time.
I know we shouldn’t have brand loyalty, but after the near decade of quad core only CPUs from Intel, I can’t help but feel absolute hate towards them as a company.
I had a 3770k until AMD released their Ryzen 1000 series and I immediately jumped over, and within the next generation Intel started releasing 8 core desktop cpus with zero issues.
I haven’t bought anything Intel since my 3770k and I don’t think I ever will going forward.
The 3770k was legendary. I used it for so long. I upgraded to a 7600k almost a decade ago and now just ordered my first AMD chip (Ryzen 9700X). The Intel chips were solid, did so long with them, I hope this AMD system will last as long.
Yep, I kept the 3770k until I bought a 7800x3d. It lasted that long, and I gave my son the 3770k system and it was still overkill to play the games he wanted. Rocket League, Minecraft, fortnite etc…
You can pry my Intel CPU from my cold dead hands…Because I’m never buying a new computer again. I have enough computers already to last until Armageddon.
Intel and their last couple of processor generations were a failure. AMD, on the other hand, been consistent. Look at all these tiny AMD APUs that can run C2077 on a 35W computer that fits in the palm of a hand? Valve is about to drop a nuclear bomb on nvidia, intel and microslop with Gabecube.
One thing that may or may not have something to do with people leaving Intel might be related to their relationship with Israel. Not trying to make this political, but it’s something I’ve seen some folks mention before.
I’ve always thought it’s a super weird place for them to have a fab just in general. It’s never been the most politically stable part of the world and surely you don’t want your several billion dollar infrastructure getting blown up, so why would you put it somewhere where that’s more likely?
Could be, like I said, not making it political. My current setup is running a 12th gen i9 and runs fine. I’m just repeating what I’ve seen other across Lemmy, Reddit, etc. have said in other places
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Yep. Intel sat on their asses for a decade pushing quad cores one has to pay extra to even overclock.
Then AMD implements chiplets, comes out with affordable 6, 8, 12, and 16 core desktop processors with unlocked multipliers, hyperthreading built into almost every model, and strong performance. All of this while also not sucking down power like Intel’s chips still do.
Intel cached in their lead by not investing in themselves and instead pushing the same tired crap year after year onto consumers.
There are so many dimensions to this
All of the exploits against Intel processors didn’t help either. Not only is it a bad look, but the fixes reduced the speed of the those processors, making them quite a bit worse deal for the money after all.
Meltdown and Spectre? Those also applied to AMD CPUs as well, just to a lesser degree (or rather, they had their own flavor of similar vulnerabilities). I think they even recently found a similar one for ARM chips…
Only one affected AMD, forget which. But Intel knew about the vulnerabilities, but chose not to fix the hardware ahead of their release.
Yea that definitely sounds like Intel… Though it’s still worth pointing out that one of them was a novel way to spy on program memory that affects many CPU types and not really indicative of a dropped ball. (outside of shipping with known vulnerabilities, anyways)
… The power stuff from 12/13th gens or what ever though… ouch, massive dropped ball.
Even the 6-core Phenom IIs from 2010 were great value.
But to be fair, Sandy Bridge ended up aging a lot better than those Phenom IIs or Bulldozer/Piledriver.
They really segmented that market in the worst possible way, 2 cores and 4 cores only, possibility to use vms or overclock, and so on. Add windoze eating up every +5%/year.
Remember buying the 2600(maybe X) and it was soo fast.
The 2600k was exceptionally good and was relevant well past the normal upgrade timeframes.
Really it only got left behind because of its 4C/8T limit as everything started supporting lots of threads instead of just a couple, and just being a 2nd Generation i7.
Yes, that was a beast! I was poor and had to wait and got the generation after, the 3770K and already the segmentation was there, I got overlooking possibilities but not the VM stuff…
Coincidentally, that’s the exact cpu I use in my server! And it runs pretty damn well.
At this point the only “issue” with it is power usage versus processing capability. Newer chips can do the same with less power.
Yeahhh, iirc it uses slightly less power than my main cpu for significantly less performance
Past me made the accidentally more financially prudent move of opting for the i7-4790k over the i5-4690k which ultimately lasted me nearly a decade. At the time the advice was of course “4 cores is all you need, don’t waste the money on an i7” but those 4 extra threads made all the difference in the longevity of that PC
Don’t forget the awfully fast socket changes
Even within the same socket family, looking at you lga1151, can you run into compatibility problems.
I think AMD also did a smart thing by branding their sockets. AM4, AM5, what do you think is going to be next? I bet it’s AM6. What came after the Intel LGA1151? It wasn’t LGA1152.
Yea, for the customer it really doesn’t matter how many pins a certain socket has, only is it compatible or not.
remember Socket 7?
Holy shit, crosscompatibility between manufacturers? We came this close to the almighty above and still ended up where we are today 🤦♂️
I remember Slot 2
AMD tried the Intel thing too by stopping support of past generation CPU on latter AM4 boards though. Only after public outcry did they scrap that. Wouldn’t put it past them to try it again on AM5.
Are there a lot of people wanting to plug Zen 1 chips into B550 motherboards? Usually it’s the other way around, upgrading chip in an old motherboard.
It can happen if the old motherboard failed, which was more likely than the CPU failing.
There was talk of not providing firmware update for old chipsets to support new gen CPU as well, which is relevant to the cases you mentioned.
And all of the failures that plagued the 13 and 14 gens. That was the main reason I switched to AMD. My 13th gen CPU was borked and had to be kept underclocked.
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It would cause system instability (programs/games crashing) when running normally. I had to underclock it through Intel’s XTU to make things stable again.
This was after all the BIOS updates from ASUS and with all BIOS settings set to the safe options.
When I originally got it I did notice that it was getting insanely high scores in benchmarks, then the story broke of how Intel and motherboard manufacturers were letting the CPUs clock as high as possible until they hit the thermal limit. Then mine started to fail I think about a year after I got it.
In the 486 era (90s) there was a not official story about the way Intel marked its CPUs: instead of starting slow and accelerate until failure, start as fast as you can and slow down until it doesn’t fail.
As a person that generally buys either mid-tier stuff or the flagship products from a couple years ago, it got pretty fucking ridiculous to have to figure out which socket made sense for any given intel chip. The apparently arbitrary naming convention didn’t help.
It wasn’t arbitrary, they named them after the number of pins. Which is fine but kinda confusing for your average consumer
Which is a pretty arbitrary naming convention since the number of pins in a socket doesn’t really tell you anything especially when that naming convention does NOT get applied to the processors that plug into them.
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Or the 1200 different versions of CPUs. We just got some new Dell machines for our DR site last year and the number of CPU options was overwhelming. Is it really necessary for that many different CPUs?
Tbf AMD is also guilty of that, in the laptop/mobile segment specifically. And the whole AI naming thing is just dumb, albeit there aren’t that many of those
Well this scheme seems much more reasonable and logical to me.
Intel until they realized that other companies made CPUs, too
With no multi threading
I mean the i7s had SMT. You had to pay extra for SMT, whereas AMD started giving it to you on every SKU except a few low-end ones.
Is it true that all of them had SMT but they just locked it away for lower tiers processors and some managed to activate it despite Intel’s effort?
They also bring a “dying transitor problem we don’t feel like fixing” to the party, too
And a constantly changing socket so you have to get a new motherboard every time.
Honestly, not a big deal if you build PC’s to last 6-7 years, since you will be targeting a new RAM generation every time.
Upgraded from a 1600 to a 5600, same mobo
That second number…
:: needing to fertilize a tree intensifies::
Pretty wild to see. Glad to see it though. Hope to see the same thing happen with GPUs against Nvidia as well.
It’s been trending the opposite for a while. Intel has mostly stolen AMD’s market share. And AMD has largely gone “me too!” to Nvidia raking customers over the coal.
Worse product and worse consumer practices (changing sockets every 2 generations) made it an easy choice to go with AMD.
DDR4 compatibility held on for a while though after AM5 was full DDR5.
The only real issue they had which has led to the current dire straits is the 13th/14th gen gradual failures from power/heat which they initially tried to claim didn’t exist. If that didn’t happen AMD would still have next to no market share.
You still find people swearing up and down that intel is the only way to go, even despite the true stagnation of progress on the processor side for a long, long time. A couple of cherry picked benchmarks where they lead by a miniscule amount is all they care about, scheduling / parking issues be damned.
Oh hell naw, the issues with Intel came up much sooner.
Ever since Ryzen came out, Intel just stagnated.
I don’t disagree that intel has been shit for a long time, but they were still the go to recommendation all the way through the 14th gen. It wasn’t until the 5800x3d came along that people started really looking at AMD for gaming… and if you’re not doing a prebuilt odds are you wanted the fastest processor, not the one that is most efficient.
I had a 5800x because I didn’t want yet another intel rig after a 4790k. Then I went on to the 5800x3d, before the 9800x3d now. The 5800x was behind intel, and for me it was just a stopgap anyway because a 5950x was not purchasable when I was building. It was just good enough.
As someone who lived through the fTPM firmware issue on AM4… I can confidently state that the tpm freezes were a dealbreaker. If you didn’t use fTPM and had the module disabled, or you updated your firmware after release you were fine - but the ftpm bug was for many, MANY years unsolved. It persisted for multiple generations. You could randomly freeze for a few seconds in any game (or any software) at any time… sometimes only once every few hours, sometimes multiple times in the span of a few minutes. That’s not usable by any stretch for gaming or anything important.
This might be true for the top of the line builds, but for any build from budget to just below that Ryzen has been a good and commonly recommended choice for a long time
I’ve had AMDs since forever, my first own build with Phenom II.
They were always good, but Ryzens were just best.
Never used TPM, so can’t comment on that. And most people never used it,
But yes, so many hardcore Intel diehards, it’s almost funny if it wasn’t sad. Like Intels legacy of adding wattage to get nothing in return.
strongly disagree. Prebuilds are mostly overpriced and/or have cheap components and in worst case proprietary connectors.
I build for the best bang for bucks, and at least in my bubble so do others.
Somehow I think you misunderstood my meaning.
Prebuilt have all kinds of hardware and unfortunately many users go with those. I offered to do a 265k 5070ti build for my brother’s girlfriend but he instead spent the same amount on a 265k 5070 32gb 5200mhz prebuilt. He does some dev work and she does a tiny amount of creative work and honestly I think he wanted to make sure her system was inferior to his. 1 year warranty and you have to pay to ship the whole system in if there’s any issues. He wouldn’t even consider AMD or going with a custom build like I do for myself and others (just finished another intel build over the weekend for a coworker, diehard intel even after the issues…)
In the custom build world I think you find more gamers and people who want the fastest gear they can afford, which is why we see gamers picking up AMD x3d chips today. They aren’t beaten and aren’t just the most expensive option.
AM5 as a platform still has issues with memory training, though it’s largely set it and forget it until you reboot after a month or dont have memory context restore enabled in bios.
I’m less familiar with the intel side nowadays despite literally just doing a build. They seem to win on boot times unless you accept the instability of AMD’s fast boot memory check bypass stuff. Getting a government bailout though is enough to make me want to avoid them indefinitely for my own gear so I doubt I’ll get much hands on with the current or next gen.
I wish AMD has better pcie pass through for the iGPU than Intel. My jellyfin is on Intel because I have hardware encoding support.
My approach was simply to setup Jellyfin in an unprivileged container that way the GPU can be shared with other services setup similarly
The United States government owns 10% of Intel now.
So happy I chose to go with AM4 board years ago. Was able to go from Zen+ CPU to X3D CPU.
I remember people said back then people usually don’t upgrade their CPU, so its not that much a selling point. But, people didn’t upgrade because they couldn’t due to constant socket changes on the Intel side.
My fps numbers were very happy after the CPU upgrade, and I didn’t have to get a new board and new set of ram.
I have to lower my 12th Gen cpu multiplier to stop constant crashing when playing UE games, because everything is overlooked at the factory so they could keep up with AMD performance. Fuck Intel.
So the editor asked AI to come up with an image for the title “Gamers desert Intel in droves” and so we get a half-baked pic of a CPU in the desert.
Am I close?
Looks like bad photoshop more than AI
Could be worse.
Could have been “gamers dessert Intel in droves”
Now I want to see that one. But, I refuse to use online generative AI.
I’ve been buying AMD since the K6-2, because AMD almost always had the better price/performance ratio (as opposed to outright top performance) and, almost as importantly, because I liked supporting the underdog.
That means it was folks like me who helped keep AMD in business long enough to catch up with and then pass Intel. You’re welcome.
It also means I recently bought my first Intel product in decades, an Arc GPU. Weird that it’s the underdog now, LOL.
I’ve been buying since the the Phenom II days with the X3 720. One could easily unlock their 4th core for an easy performance boost. Most of the time it’d work without a hassle.
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My first AMD was a 386-40. Had several of their CPUs since. But there were a few years there that it was real tough to pick AMD.
Wish I knew about that trick back then! I shelled out for an X4…
Except anything Bulldozer-derived, heh. Those were more expensive and less performant than the Phenom II CPUs and Llano APUs.
I’ve got an FX 8350, sure AMD fell behind during that time but it was by no means a bad CPU imo. Main PC’s got a 7800X3D now but my FX system is still working just fine to this day, especially since upgrading to an SSD and 16GB RAM some years ago. It can technically even run Cyberpunk 2077 with console like frame rates on high settings.
I mean… It functioned as a CPU.
But a Phenom II X6 outperformed it sometimes, single thread and multithreaded. That’s crazy given Pildriver’s two generation jump and huge process/transistor count advantage. Power consumption was awful in any form factor.
Look. I am an AMD simp. I will praise my 7800X3D all day. But there were a whole bunch of internet apologist for Bulldozer back then, so I don’t want to mince words:
It was bad.
Objectively bad, a few software niches aside. Between cheaper Phenoms and the reasonably priced 2500K/4670K, it made zero financial sense 99% of the time.
Bulldozer was AMD’s Pentium 4.
Even down to the questionable marketing.
To be fair, I upgraded my main desktop directly from a Phenom II X4 840(?) to a Ryzen 1700x without owning any Bulldozer stuff in between.
(I did later buy a couple of used Opteron 6272s, but that’s different for multiple reasons.)
I decide every upgrade which one to go with. Try not to stay dedicated to one.
Basically - Buy Intel cause it’s the best last I checked… Oh, that was two years ago, now AMD should have been the right one.
Next upgrade, won’t make that mistake - buy AMD. Shit… AMD is garbage this gen, shoulda gotten Intel. Ok, I’ll know better next upgrade.
Repeat forever.
TBF, AMD has been pretty rock-solid for CPUs for the last 5-6 years. Intel… not so much.
My last two computers have been AMD, the last time I built an Intel system was ~2016
Love my 3DNow! K6-2, also my starter.
Oh man, I’d forgotten all about 3dnow!
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I know we shouldn’t have brand loyalty, but after the near decade of quad core only CPUs from Intel, I can’t help but feel absolute hate towards them as a company.
I had a 3770k until AMD released their Ryzen 1000 series and I immediately jumped over, and within the next generation Intel started releasing 8 core desktop cpus with zero issues.
I haven’t bought anything Intel since my 3770k and I don’t think I ever will going forward.
The 3770k was legendary. I used it for so long. I upgraded to a 7600k almost a decade ago and now just ordered my first AMD chip (Ryzen 9700X). The Intel chips were solid, did so long with them, I hope this AMD system will last as long.
I still have my 3770k but it’s in storage.
I bought a 1700X and was using that until upgrading to a 3700X, which I’m still using today in my main gaming desktop.
I think you’ll be fine!
Yep, I kept the 3770k until I bought a 7800x3d. It lasted that long, and I gave my son the 3770k system and it was still overkill to play the games he wanted. Rocket League, Minecraft, fortnite etc…
7700k here I will upgrade from (likely to AMD) one day. But still almost zero reason to.
You can pry my Intel CPU from my cold dead hands…Because I’m never buying a new computer again. I have enough computers already to last until Armageddon.
Intel and their last couple of processor generations were a failure. AMD, on the other hand, been consistent. Look at all these tiny AMD APUs that can run C2077 on a 35W computer that fits in the palm of a hand? Valve is about to drop a nuclear bomb on nvidia, intel and microslop with Gabecube.
One thing that may or may not have something to do with people leaving Intel might be related to their relationship with Israel. Not trying to make this political, but it’s something I’ve seen some folks mention before.
I’ve always thought it’s a super weird place for them to have a fab just in general. It’s never been the most politically stable part of the world and surely you don’t want your several billion dollar infrastructure getting blown up, so why would you put it somewhere where that’s more likely?
Imo: Loud minority
Could be, like I said, not making it political. My current setup is running a 12th gen i9 and runs fine. I’m just repeating what I’ve seen other across Lemmy, Reddit, etc. have said in other places
Last time I got a CPU, I didn’t even consider the Intel alternatives because of such. My old CPU was a i7-4790k.