90€ + 50€ • DLC? Isn’t that too little for the poor record-profit industry titans with budgets in the billions and nonsensical brand loyalty all over the world?
originally i was going to get the first swsh in the generation plus a switch at the time, no thank you, based on how the game came out and what the company, gamefreak said will happen to the future games. 300-400$ switch, +60+15 dlc+ nintendo related services, and storage.(im underestimating some of the costs)
We need to keep the games affordable so they can spend some money in the microtransaction hell that is our store and that is basically mandatory if you want to keep up the pace with the other players in the pvp mode of the game (the only one available, because we removed local modes since we believe that playing with friends doesn’t make you want to spend on lootboxes is not as fun as playing with randos
Ah nah that’s just because I make it my mission to piss off tankies. You’ll see downvotes on all kinds of comments like “Human Rights should be upheld”, “Cake is always welcome”, or “Google shouldn’t own an advertisement monopoly” not because they oppose the message but because they regularly go through my comment history. (And tankies also do kind of oppose those messages sometimes).
Collectors editions don’t even include physical items anymore. At least you got something cool to keep. Now it’s some worthless download you get once and never again.
I still have those cheap night vision goggles from one of the Call of Duty editions. They’re subpar quality but still pretty cool.
My son stopped playing some of the latest stuff because of the crazy levels of anti cheating intrusionware. Better mental health not playing competitive multiplayer too.
I keep buying games on sale but I’m just not playing much of my backlog.
I keep going back to a few strategy games and putting even more hours in. The vast majority of my gaming in the past 2 years has been between 3 games.
Ultimate Admiral Dreadnought - Janky, and I have problems with how HE shells are handled in the main mod I play, keep booting it up. 850 hours played.
Star Wars Empire At War. So many amazing mods.
Wartales - game gets stale after a while but it’s good enough that after a bit I go back to it to put even more hours in.
I have so many amazing games that when I do play them I love them, but I keep going back to these strategy games. Oh, and a bunch of time on Need For Speed Heat.
I’ve been spending a bunch on other games, but I’m just not playing them.
They don’t come out with original work that gets people interested and/or they enshittify the franchise. If GreatGame was good, we’re on GreatGame VI with microtransactions, paid skins, fortnite play, no immersive single player campaign, and ads with no real change to anything else.
Funny enough, the main reason I’m spending far less is not the shitty economy, but rather the gaming industry’s push to kill physical copies.
I used to buy a lot of physical games at full price because they would be much harder to find later on, but if I’m forced to go with a digital copy this is no longer an issue, so I just let them sit on my wishlist until they’re massively discounted.
Y’all, this market is beyond saturated. And the AI gaming people are flOOOoding the space with more and more stuff.
In terms of a fun way to spend an hour or two, or a few go-to games, there’s unlimited options, many free or free enough. Meanwhile, everyone churning out titles expects full attention and wishlist and dropping $50 on them for simply existing.
Even without modding I have in the last couple of years found myself mainly in a cycle of playing the same emergent gameplay (were the game-space and/or game characters are random) games, one game at a time until I get bored then the next and the next until eventually I’m not bored of the earlier played games anymore and start it again.
These are mostly Indie titles like Factorio, Rimworld and even The Lone Dark in free mode.
The curated experience - which is what most of the AAA stuff is - just doesn’t have this infinite replayability.
It’s basically a survival management game where the skills of the peons you control are random and the terrain and broader world are procedurally generated.
Whilst the graphics are simple, the actual gameplay is solid and interesting with enough depth to keep you interested for many hours, The randomly generated per-game terrain and peons means that even though one can get bored after playing for tens of hours (maybe a bit over 100h), after a couple of months playing something else Rimworld is interesting again because whilst the game mechanics don’t change between games (hence to a point you do “crack the game”), the game space is different for every game hence the situation your colony finds itself in is different too,
If you like that survival and/or management games it’s well worth it if you can get it for 20 bucks or so.
As for the DLCs, I don’t think they actually add enough to be worth it.
You don’t control your peons, you mainly define zones were certain things should happen and the peons go and do it.
Zones can be for very low level explicit things (such as “cut all trees in this area” or “mine these iron nodes”) or broader activities (for example defining an area for cultivation of a specific plant, were the peons will automatically seed and sow, and you don’t even have to assigned specific peons to it).
There are a few single-action commands (say, toggle this machine ON/OFF) but again they’re not peon-specific (you just signal that the machine needs to be toggled ON or OFF and somebody will get around to do it),
You can force a specific peon to do a specific action just once, but it’s seldom used or useful.
You do normally control your peons directly for warfare, though.
In practice, you vaguely control who does which kind of things and with which priority via a control board where you define priorities per type of activity and per-peon, so basically a high-level management tool.
My impression is that there is a little bit of micromanagement but very little.
Games were once created by gamers, who had a clear vision. It since became a soulless business and people notice. I think twice before opening my wallet now. I don’t pre-order, don’t spend more on digital gimmick editions and wait for reviews, first. Usually I can wait for sales. The industry’s problems are homemade. But once in a while I find rare gems like Forgive me Father. And I’m happy with that.
Yeah, I remember being in my 20s too. Too bad they are going through the same shit we did. are we getting another “this is a trauma response” generation?
Judging by the comments, reading the article seems to be a lost art. Here’s the image for y’all:
It’s very specifically about 18-24 year olds, compared to last year, with video games seeing the steepest decrease.
You can stop complaining about games being soulless, unless you want to claim that wasn’t a problem last year. Well, you can, but it’s unrelated then. Compared to last year, this age group has felt the need to cut back at everything more so than anyone else.
We’re headed for a crash, and the junior positions are the first ones that CEOs think they can replace with LLMs (they can’t but that will take a few years to bite them in the ass)
To be fair, the kids are just a pretty good indicator of where this whole boat is headed. Someone who’s been adulting for a while probably has savings and is willing to burn some of those to keep doing the hobby they like, especially when they’re invested with hardware or friendships that exist through gaming.
From my perspective as a millennial, people are running out of time and energy too.
Like, I know a couple, both working, no kids, avid and techy gamers who know to play stuff like KCDII, yet they mostly plop down for YouTube at the end of the day. A VG or longer form TV is too draining, and too long.
For me, I didn’t have the mental energy. At a previous job, I was so mentally strained working 8 hours nonstop on highly mentally taxing tasks that even if I wanted to play a game, it felt like a chore rather than something I can enjoy or wind down to. Even if I had the time, since I do other stuff outside of work.
The strange thing is, when I work I have the money but not the time nor energy to justify buying games to sink time into. When I don’t work I have the time and energy but not the money to justify paying $80-$100 on a game I probably won’t play as much as I think otherwise.
I’ve in recent years looking more into reviews and such to weigh in whether or not I want to buy the game in the first place. Compare that to years prior when I could look at a trailer or short snippet and get a good idea of what the game has to offer. Now I’m more weary of grindy game mechanics and predatory micro transactions.
even milleneals arnt paying it, like myself. not paying for things like switch, or swsh, because they decided to enshittify the console or games, and gouge prices.
i was almost tempted to get it for the first swsh, glad i dint after listening to masuda"enshittifying speech", we get it you’re tired of the franchise, hand it to a company that would make a competent game.
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Oh gee! I wonder why is this happening?!
I guess we’ll never know!
Anyway, let’s release another copy-paste game at 90€/$ with 50€/$ in dlcs and another collector edition with some plastic toy for 300!
Don’t forget to delete last year’s version from all your customers’ hard drives!
Look: we just removed the game from your account so you can purchase the new one without regrets!
90€ + 50€ • DLC? Isn’t that too little for the poor record-profit industry titans with budgets in the billions and nonsensical brand loyalty all over the world?
originally i was going to get the first swsh in the generation plus a switch at the time, no thank you, based on how the game came out and what the company, gamefreak said will happen to the future games. 300-400$ switch, +60+15 dlc+ nintendo related services, and storage.(im underestimating some of the costs)
We need to keep the games affordable so they can spend some money in the microtransaction hell that is our store and that is basically mandatory if you want to keep up the pace with the other players in the pvp mode of the game (the only one available, because we removed local modes since we believe that playing with friends
doesn’t make you want to spend on lootboxesis not as fun as playing with randosA collectors edition that doesn’t include the game either.
It’s for your own good. This way you can purchase the game separately and we keep the collector edition at a reasonable price tag.
But it does have a moldy nylon bag!
I knew there was a reason I kept this photo around.
And all the advertising will show the game next to a canvas bag.
Someone downvoted because they don’t want to remember Bethesda’s shenanigans?
Ah nah that’s just because I make it my mission to piss off tankies. You’ll see downvotes on all kinds of comments like “Human Rights should be upheld”, “Cake is always welcome”, or “Google shouldn’t own an advertisement monopoly” not because they oppose the message but because they regularly go through my comment history. (And tankies also do kind of oppose those messages sometimes).
This criticism is genuinely like 10-13 years out of date, gramps.
And yet here we are, with games more expensive than 10 years ago and people spending less than 10 years ago. Seems strange, right?
At least 10 years ago there were some interesting AAA games, even with those problems. Now they they charge that shit for remasters and rehashes.
Hasn’t been a non indie game I was excited about in years.
Yes, but today’s industry problems are way different than collector’s editions with that, of anything that feels quaint enough to peak my curiousity
Collectors editions don’t even include physical items anymore. At least you got something cool to keep. Now it’s some worthless download you get once and never again.
I still have those cheap night vision goggles from one of the Call of Duty editions. They’re subpar quality but still pretty cool.
My son stopped playing some of the latest stuff because of the crazy levels of anti cheating intrusionware. Better mental health not playing competitive multiplayer too.
I keep buying games on sale but I’m just not playing much of my backlog.
I keep going back to a few strategy games and putting even more hours in. The vast majority of my gaming in the past 2 years has been between 3 games.
Ultimate Admiral Dreadnought - Janky, and I have problems with how HE shells are handled in the main mod I play, keep booting it up. 850 hours played.
Star Wars Empire At War. So many amazing mods.
Wartales - game gets stale after a while but it’s good enough that after a bit I go back to it to put even more hours in.
I have so many amazing games that when I do play them I love them, but I keep going back to these strategy games. Oh, and a bunch of time on Need For Speed Heat.
I’ve been spending a bunch on other games, but I’m just not playing them.
They don’t come out with original work that gets people interested and/or they enshittify the franchise. If GreatGame was good, we’re on GreatGame VI with microtransactions, paid skins, fortnite play, no immersive single player campaign, and ads with no real change to anything else.
Look outside AAA gaming. It‘s never been better.
Almost. It was better a few months ago before the payment processors started threatening the game platforms
Like others said, it’s not just Gen-Z.
Funny enough, the main reason I’m spending far less is not the shitty economy, but rather the gaming industry’s push to kill physical copies.
I used to buy a lot of physical games at full price because they would be much harder to find later on, but if I’m forced to go with a digital copy this is no longer an issue, so I just let them sit on my wishlist until they’re massively discounted.
I OWN them!
Y’all, this market is beyond saturated. And the AI gaming people are flOOOoding the space with more and more stuff.
In terms of a fun way to spend an hour or two, or a few go-to games, there’s unlimited options, many free or free enough. Meanwhile, everyone churning out titles expects full attention and wishlist and dropping $50 on them for simply existing.
There are also some games with active modding communities that can be played basically forever without getting boring.
Even without modding I have in the last couple of years found myself mainly in a cycle of playing the same emergent gameplay (were the game-space and/or game characters are random) games, one game at a time until I get bored then the next and the next until eventually I’m not bored of the earlier played games anymore and start it again.
These are mostly Indie titles like Factorio, Rimworld and even The Lone Dark in free mode.
The curated experience - which is what most of the AAA stuff is - just doesn’t have this infinite replayability.
Is Rimworld worth it? I’ve seen quite a lot of it, but it looks hard to get into (and it’s really expensive for an indie game).
It’s basically a survival management game where the skills of the peons you control are random and the terrain and broader world are procedurally generated.
Whilst the graphics are simple, the actual gameplay is solid and interesting with enough depth to keep you interested for many hours, The randomly generated per-game terrain and peons means that even though one can get bored after playing for tens of hours (maybe a bit over 100h), after a couple of months playing something else Rimworld is interesting again because whilst the game mechanics don’t change between games (hence to a point you do “crack the game”), the game space is different for every game hence the situation your colony finds itself in is different too,
If you like that survival and/or management games it’s well worth it if you can get it for 20 bucks or so.
As for the DLCs, I don’t think they actually add enough to be worth it.
Thanks for the review, that’s helpful! How much micromanagement does the game do? Does automation exist?
Important point with the DLCs, that’s really good to know!
You don’t control your peons, you mainly define zones were certain things should happen and the peons go and do it.
Zones can be for very low level explicit things (such as “cut all trees in this area” or “mine these iron nodes”) or broader activities (for example defining an area for cultivation of a specific plant, were the peons will automatically seed and sow, and you don’t even have to assigned specific peons to it).
There are a few single-action commands (say, toggle this machine ON/OFF) but again they’re not peon-specific (you just signal that the machine needs to be toggled ON or OFF and somebody will get around to do it),
You can force a specific peon to do a specific action just once, but it’s seldom used or useful.
You do normally control your peons directly for warfare, though.
In practice, you vaguely control who does which kind of things and with which priority via a control board where you define priorities per type of activity and per-peon, so basically a high-level management tool.
My impression is that there is a little bit of micromanagement but very little.
Sounds pretty nice tbh. I might give that a try.
I don’t really follow current games. Is there actually a huge increase of AI games?
Feels a bit like the 80s market crash. Too many low quality games flooding market.
Games were once created by gamers, who had a clear vision. It since became a soulless business and people notice. I think twice before opening my wallet now. I don’t pre-order, don’t spend more on digital gimmick editions and wait for reviews, first. Usually I can wait for sales. The industry’s problems are homemade. But once in a while I find rare gems like Forgive me Father. And I’m happy with that.
This is the biggest issue. I tend to focus on Indie games lately. There’s the odd bigger game that I’ll pay for, but they are few and far between.
Did industry try to raise prices even more? Maybe higher prices is what’s missing for gaming industry to blossom /s
Yeah, I remember being in my 20s too. Too bad they are going through the same shit we did. are we getting another “this is a trauma response” generation?
there are also almost no new games worth even looking at anymore. There are some, but they are quite rare
In the AAA space, sure
Judging by the comments, reading the article seems to be a lost art. Here’s the image for y’all:
It’s very specifically about 18-24 year olds, compared to last year, with video games seeing the steepest decrease.
You can stop complaining about games being soulless, unless you want to claim that wasn’t a problem last year. Well, you can, but it’s unrelated then. Compared to last year, this age group has felt the need to cut back at everything more so than anyone else.
Here’s the thread mentioned in the article. Suspected reason is restarting of student loan payments and difficult job market.
Almost like they have no money to spend after rent and food.
We’re headed for a crash, and the junior positions are the first ones that CEOs think they can replace with LLMs (they can’t but that will take a few years to bite them in the ass)
To be fair, the kids are just a pretty good indicator of where this whole boat is headed. Someone who’s been adulting for a while probably has savings and is willing to burn some of those to keep doing the hobby they like, especially when they’re invested with hardware or friendships that exist through gaming.
From my perspective as a millennial, people are running out of time and energy too.
Like, I know a couple, both working, no kids, avid and techy gamers who know to play stuff like KCDII, yet they mostly plop down for YouTube at the end of the day. A VG or longer form TV is too draining, and too long.
For me, I didn’t have the mental energy. At a previous job, I was so mentally strained working 8 hours nonstop on highly mentally taxing tasks that even if I wanted to play a game, it felt like a chore rather than something I can enjoy or wind down to. Even if I had the time, since I do other stuff outside of work.
The strange thing is, when I work I have the money but not the time nor energy to justify buying games to sink time into. When I don’t work I have the time and energy but not the money to justify paying $80-$100 on a game I probably won’t play as much as I think otherwise.
I’ve in recent years looking more into reviews and such to weigh in whether or not I want to buy the game in the first place. Compare that to years prior when I could look at a trailer or short snippet and get a good idea of what the game has to offer. Now I’m more weary of grindy game mechanics and predatory micro transactions.
Video games have been my biggest hobbies for basically my entire life, but I barely play them anymore for basically this reason.
people are cutting back on purchases period.
has little to do with culture, quality of games, etc. A lot more to do with the fact that inflation has gone fucking insane.
even milleneals arnt paying it, like myself. not paying for things like switch, or swsh, because they decided to enshittify the console or games, and gouge prices.
I’m not gonna lie, I’ve spent hundreds. But I’m definitely not buying a switch 2, what a rip off.
i was almost tempted to get it for the first swsh, glad i dint after listening to masuda"enshittifying speech", we get it you’re tired of the franchise, hand it to a company that would make a competent game.
Well, gee, I wonder why. Not like their money isn’t going more for necessities after all