I remember when I first heard of Paralives. I was just some guy doing a small game as a hobby but I was listening to players feedback and promising all sorts of stuff and what was originally supposed to be a two month project had already been going on for several years.
I joined the Paralives discord and immediately realized: “they clearly have no idea how much work they are going to have to do to keep the promises they are making” - just like I was years prior - except their game was a lot more ambitious than mine.
I’m happy to see that even though I was right, they followed through with it for all these years.
I can definitely see that. I’m not really too familiar with this space of games so I can’t speak on it much, but it does feel like a passion project, and that’s not a bad thing.
I really wish people would stop with AI hate. So many people on steam were bitching about this, how unethical AI is and not only telling others to not buy the game, but insulting anyone who defended Krafton. My problem is that people see “AI” and shut down. Even when told that Krafton made this AI themselves using assets they either owned or were copyright-free that is run locally on your machine, people continued complaining. This was announced when the demo was out.
Also I am tired of right wingers on steam. This doesn’t relate to your comment but the second common complaint I saw a lot on the forums besides AI was that the game is “woke” and thus bad for having a non binary option. The game is bugged with not allowing homosexual relationships, this made the right wingers happy because they hate the “globohomo agenda.” I am tired of their shit. Your Zoi can be hetero, homo, or bi. Your Zoi also picks body types. Checkboxes are not oppressive, fucking assholes.
That’s great to hear about their implementation but sadly I just still cannot get behind it right now. It’s a tough one for me because I do like a Sims competitor coming out and hope they do well for other reasons. As for the woke stuff, that’s just the gaming sphere in general these days it seems.
I heard they use Nvidia ACE tech so their SmartZoi system works on a select few cards at the moment, all Nvidia. The devs plan to support AMD and such in the future. You can find info about it on reddit or their discord, sadly no lemmy communities yet.
Cool false equivalence. Why do you have to be snarky about someone just posting their personal opinion? I didn’t even wax poetic about why no one should get it, just left my 0.02
AI Generated Content Disclosure
The developers describe how their game uses AI Generated Content like this:
Players can generate unique textures for character outfits and various items based on text input. They can also create 3D objects from image input, which can be used as interior decorations or accessories, and add distinctive motions to their Zoi using video input. Additionally, the actions and thoughts of Zois are controlled through sLM technology, enabling more engaging and intuitive interactions.
It also runs locally, which is great imo. Although it means that you need a relatively new graphics card to use some of the features. My RX 6800 for example doesn’t support it
I am opposed to genAI in its current form for a number of personal ethical reasons. I can still admit that it sounds cool, but in its current form I cannot support genAI.
In fhe same way you can voice your opinion, someone else can voice why it’s flawed, why people should look at a project like this and point out why people should just regurgitate the same old “AI slop” venom. Putting those points forward isn’t being mean-spirited, it’s highlighting the nuance around a topic and adding more to the conversation than “tis gud”/“tis bad” without being a personal attack so there’s no need to go on the defensive either.
I never called it AI slop, and I agree that there’s nuance and it is actually that nuance that had led me to my personal conclusion.
When I say “I personally yadda yadda” and then someone says “that’s a you problem,” that’s not an honest attempt at a conversation. Because I know it’s a me thing, I said that already. And they didn’t bring up any nuance, or points. They were just trying to “dunk” on me.
Krafton made this AI themselves using assets they either owned or were copyright-free that is run locally on your machine. This was announced when the demo was out. Not sure if that will change your mind but I don’t see a problem with it.
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I was totally stoked for this game until I learnt they use genAI then it was an instant no thanks from me.
It’s not really my genre but this is looking far more interesting anyway and doesn’t use any bullshit AI slop:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118520/Paralives/
I remember when I first heard of Paralives. I was just some guy doing a small game as a hobby but I was listening to players feedback and promising all sorts of stuff and what was originally supposed to be a two month project had already been going on for several years.
I joined the Paralives discord and immediately realized: “they clearly have no idea how much work they are going to have to do to keep the promises they are making” - just like I was years prior - except their game was a lot more ambitious than mine.
I’m happy to see that even though I was right, they followed through with it for all these years.
I can definitely see that. I’m not really too familiar with this space of games so I can’t speak on it much, but it does feel like a passion project, and that’s not a bad thing.
Thanks for the link, I’ll check it out.
I really wish people would stop with AI hate. So many people on steam were bitching about this, how unethical AI is and not only telling others to not buy the game, but insulting anyone who defended Krafton. My problem is that people see “AI” and shut down. Even when told that Krafton made this AI themselves using assets they either owned or were copyright-free that is run locally on your machine, people continued complaining. This was announced when the demo was out.
Also I am tired of right wingers on steam. This doesn’t relate to your comment but the second common complaint I saw a lot on the forums besides AI was that the game is “woke” and thus bad for having a non binary option. The game is bugged with not allowing homosexual relationships, this made the right wingers happy because they hate the “globohomo agenda.” I am tired of their shit. Your Zoi can be hetero, homo, or bi. Your Zoi also picks body types. Checkboxes are not oppressive, fucking assholes.
That’s great to hear about their implementation but sadly I just still cannot get behind it right now. It’s a tough one for me because I do like a Sims competitor coming out and hope they do well for other reasons. As for the woke stuff, that’s just the gaming sphere in general these days it seems.
One of the reviews on Steam mentioned that the AI uses NVidia tech that isn’t available on AMD graphics cards. Is that true?
I heard they use Nvidia ACE tech so their SmartZoi system works on a select few cards at the moment, all Nvidia. The devs plan to support AMD and such in the future. You can find info about it on reddit or their discord, sadly no lemmy communities yet.
Cuda? I wouldn’t be surprised, but AMD’s ROCm is much less developed (but works).
I boycott any games that make use of AI, digital art, computers, or the printing press. If it’s not carved into a cave wall I don’t play.
Cool false equivalence. Why do you have to be snarky about someone just posting their personal opinion? I didn’t even wax poetic about why no one should get it, just left my 0.02
You have an opinion. I’m making fun of it because I disagree. You posting that in a public space turns a personal opinion into a public statement.
So you just wanted to make fun of me, got it.
In what way are they using generative AI?
Per Steam page:
Honestly, this is close to an ideal use of it, IMO
You still have human devd making the game, but if I had a specific bed spread I wanted in game, this gives me a bit of power
That actually makes me want to play it more. Solid use of technology.
I know Lemmy hates AI in all use cases, but that does sound pretty cool to me
It also runs locally, which is great imo. Although it means that you need a relatively new graphics card to use some of the features. My RX 6800 for example doesn’t support it
I am opposed to genAI in its current form for a number of personal ethical reasons. I can still admit that it sounds cool, but in its current form I cannot support genAI.
That’s definitely a you problem. I think this is a cool use of it. It’s like the person that thought the TV was just a fad.
I literally said “personal”. Yes, that’s the definition of a “me problem” and I was open about that.
I also said I can admit this is a cool use of it also, so I’m not entirely sure what your comment meant to accomplish other than being mean spirited.
In fhe same way you can voice your opinion, someone else can voice why it’s flawed, why people should look at a project like this and point out why people should just regurgitate the same old “AI slop” venom. Putting those points forward isn’t being mean-spirited, it’s highlighting the nuance around a topic and adding more to the conversation than “tis gud”/“tis bad” without being a personal attack so there’s no need to go on the defensive either.
I never called it AI slop, and I agree that there’s nuance and it is actually that nuance that had led me to my personal conclusion.
When I say “I personally yadda yadda” and then someone says “that’s a you problem,” that’s not an honest attempt at a conversation. Because I know it’s a me thing, I said that already. And they didn’t bring up any nuance, or points. They were just trying to “dunk” on me.
OK, what personal, ethical reasons do you have against an algorithm?
AI is a buzzword. It is not a thing that is smart, sentient, or anything more than a weighted computer model. (More or less).
So again what is personal or ethical about weighted math?
Ahhh shit, I see. Thanks.
Krafton made this AI themselves using assets they either owned or were copyright-free that is run locally on your machine. This was announced when the demo was out. Not sure if that will change your mind but I don’t see a problem with it.
That’s a lot more acceptable to me.