And also the contrast between the Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxy games. It’s not like you don’t have things to compare to! Although I wonder whether they were too deep into development at that time? Don’t know what the lead time on this game was/is. 🤔
I’ve been avoiding AAA games after being burned a few too many times and it’s really opened my eyes to some great indie games. The Steam deck has been great for that also. I think it was Skill Up who said something along the lines of the issue with live service games is that they require so much of your time that you literally do not have the spare time to maintain multiple games. That means that the vast majority of them are going to be DOA.
To be fair, every studio is 2 bombs away from bankruptcy, hell MeMeMe games shut down even though they didn’t make a single bad game since shadow tactics. Both gacha and live service are constant cashflows that keep a company alive during hard times, just like Final Fantasy XIV kept Square going, and granblue is keeping Cygames going while they invest the surplus on more prestige games.
Yup, seems like the larger the company the more they gravitate to placing fewer and larger bets. After all, why be satisfied with some money when you could attempt to get ALL of the money ?
Except a lot of these bets are lost, and they do not come cheap. We’ll see about this one but it looks bound to have the same trajectory as Avengers (which had in fact a pretty decent campaign, followed by a mediocre grindy live service “endgame”).
They were already way in development by that point. Companies do know live service isn’t the bubble they thought it would be but it’s either lose all investments or get some return in the hope they hit the mass. Where they really fucked up is with the delay. Looks like nothing has changed as has put them in the fire with the end of fiscal year 2023. It’s also coming out same day as Persona 3 Reload which will likely be a heavily praised single player game. At least last April we hadn’t hit the maelstrom of “GOTY each week”.
Tldr, the games director never referred to it as a live service game (even though it has all the elements of one and takes a lot from other live service games).
My best guess is that when they first started giving the earliest look at the game, they were (somehow) very surprised at the backlash to their trend-chasing formula; and then, from there, may have completely stumbled in trying to totally re-focus the game into something people would like without remaking it from scratch.
What makes it most tragic is that this is the last instance of Kevin Conroy’s Batman VA. It’s not a good close to such a legacy.
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It’s kind of amazing they chose to go with that design, when they hadthe benefit of hindsight with recent superhero-backed games:
“Well duh, let’s try and make one of these live service games”.
And also the contrast between the Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxy games. It’s not like you don’t have things to compare to! Although I wonder whether they were too deep into development at that time? Don’t know what the lead time on this game was/is. 🤔
As better as Guardians is, it also bombed, another good game buried.
also, immediately following Avengers flop
Problem is you can’t milk $10000 out of the single player games like you can GaaS ones. Meaning it’s harder to pitch to investors.
Personally I can’t stand it and end up just avoiding AAA titles altogether because of it.
I’ve been avoiding AAA games after being burned a few too many times and it’s really opened my eyes to some great indie games. The Steam deck has been great for that also. I think it was Skill Up who said something along the lines of the issue with live service games is that they require so much of your time that you literally do not have the spare time to maintain multiple games. That means that the vast majority of them are going to be DOA.
@NeryK
The whole industry is so damn obsessed with games as a service. They’re all chomping at the bit to exploit consumers.
To be fair, every studio is 2 bombs away from bankruptcy, hell MeMeMe games shut down even though they didn’t make a single bad game since shadow tactics. Both gacha and live service are constant cashflows that keep a company alive during hard times, just like Final Fantasy XIV kept Square going, and granblue is keeping Cygames going while they invest the surplus on more prestige games.
Yup, seems like the larger the company the more they gravitate to placing fewer and larger bets. After all, why be satisfied with some money when you could attempt to get ALL of the money ?
Except a lot of these bets are lost, and they do not come cheap. We’ll see about this one but it looks bound to have the same trajectory as Avengers (which had in fact a pretty decent campaign, followed by a mediocre grindy live service “endgame”).
They were already way in development by that point. Companies do know live service isn’t the bubble they thought it would be but it’s either lose all investments or get some return in the hope they hit the mass. Where they really fucked up is with the delay. Looks like nothing has changed as has put them in the fire with the end of fiscal year 2023. It’s also coming out same day as Persona 3 Reload which will likely be a heavily praised single player game. At least last April we hadn’t hit the maelstrom of “GOTY each week”.
already dead to me
It’s okay, don’t worry. They “don’t really think of [their] game as fitting with any particular label”.
https://www.gamesradar.com/suicide-squad-kill-the-justice-league-lead-shrugs-off-live-service-criticisms-its-still-full-of-the-dna-that-infuses-the-batman-arkham-series/
Tldr, the games director never referred to it as a live service game (even though it has all the elements of one and takes a lot from other live service games).
Mmhmm, somehow that’s not too convincing.
You can’t play it offline still, but it’s not a live service lol.
Strange, I saw several people being impressed with the gameplay during the alpha.
My best guess is that when they first started giving the earliest look at the game, they were (somehow) very surprised at the backlash to their trend-chasing formula; and then, from there, may have completely stumbled in trying to totally re-focus the game into something people would like without remaking it from scratch.
What makes it most tragic is that this is the last instance of Kevin Conroy’s Batman VA. It’s not a good close to such a legacy.