Microsoft has gone all-in with its plans to turn the Windows PC into an AI-powered 'agentic OS.' But at least one PC maker says consumers aren't buying the Copilot hype.
It’s always baffled me how Microslop’s entire business model as far back as I can remember seems to be “Make the shittiest possible version of every product imaginable, then watch it for some reason become the global standard, then make it even worse and suffer no consequences.”
Well I don’t think they’re growing. Depending on the sector all the AI data scanning is a concern for a number of companies. I’ve seen a lot of European discussions about getting away from US cloud services too.
I think it’s just bad marketing. Microsoft, as they often are, just messed up their marketing strategy with mixing controversial and creepy stuff like Recall and actually useful things like local TTS and STT, translation, image recognition and manipulation stuff. All these ML functions offloaded to an NPU are good additions to an OS. Computers with NPU don’t have to be Copilot+ branded to be useful.
Hmm, they might’ve scrambled to add Recall et al, because those other features you named don’t particularly need to be offloaded. Except for maybe TTS, you’re not gonna run these in the background all the time. And if you need the occasional translation, it’s fine, if it takes a bit longer.
At least, I would’ve absolutely seen headlines à la “Microslop wants you to buy an expensive new PC – to do things your current PC can perfectly fine”.
You aren’t wrong that these functions don’t NEED NPU. But it helps with performance and offloading.
What they also doing is opening APIs for software developers to use NPU and built-in models. For example, Adobe and Zoom use it for background filters. Again, with no CPU/GPU load.
And for your final point - this is not anything new for a company to try selling you a product that you don’t necessarily need. Their job is to make it attractive enough for you to upgrade.
Their deluded vision is that they think the traditional user interface is going away. Rather than interact with a machine, you’ll just be walking around, sipping coffee, having thoughtful conversations with a bot laughing along with your jokes as it writes your letter and does your taxes.
Rather than interact with a machine, you’ll just be walking around, sipping coffee, having thoughtful conversations with a bot laughing along with your jokes as it writes your letter and does your taxes.
So, basically the computers from Star Trek: TNG. I’d go for that, but unfortunately, what we’ll get instead is enshitified AI slop which exists to suck a subscription fee out of you every month while pushing ads.
I dunno, I remember it more like, “hey computer, make a LARP/natural wonder/cozy space/sing & dance number for my real humanoid (and android) friends and I to enjoy together”. When computer manifestations got regarded as worthy of personhood, it was either some exceptional case, or the story was about the character’s delusion.
“AI” is not a use case for a computer. Plain and simple. A real use case would be for instance to edit videos or code or create spreadsheets, and what the everloving shit does adding ✨Agentic and Conversational AI✨fix with literally any use case?
Sure, researching can be a use case for AI stuff, as well as just talking with it, but there’s no reason to sell an entire fucking class of laptops labeled “AI PCs” when the only thing it has is windows 11 copilot (lobotomised ChatGPT) and an NPU advertised as a “future compatibility” feature…
I use AI quite a bit for when I have to deal with something again that doesn’t have a simple documentation or stack overflow / reddit thread, and I know all too well I will never need agentic anything.
The one most useful AI for coding is supermaven, which is literally just auto complete plus but it doesn’t just do things, it works like any other tab completion.
Pretty sure no software dev at windows has ever really given these things a proper workout and still found them essential. Windows is really out here advertising Linux.
It’s a big matrix multiplier that is tailored for machine learning model evaluation (not training). Often they are low precision as that’s all you need for model evaluation (or “inference”).
Think of it as a much less useful GPU because it won’t do graphics.
I’m constantly being sent screenshots of tables with data in it that I can’t copy paste. (Side note, why take a perfectly searchable .csv and send me a screenshot of it???!!)
The tool really is a game changer for my productivity.
I sure as hell wouldn’t enable it on my personal computer though.
Maybe you’re aware and it doesn’t fit your need, but in case not: there’s a snipping to ocr tool provided with PowerToys. Win+shift+T and select a zone, il ocr it and puts it in your clipboard. Good stuff. There’s also NormCap that does the same : https://dynobo.github.io/normcap/
WTF even is a Microsoft SlopC? Something that has hardware to speed up their AI deleting important files and sending your private data to hackers? I don’t think we need that fast-tracked, Windows 11 already does it well enough.
Well that’s just the predictive text… mine thinks thr is the proper spelling of the cause it ‘learned’ from all my typos that I like that spelling, even going to far as to autocorrect the to thr
I’ve got and that corrects to annd now most of the time, except when I’m actively trying to write the type in which case it reverts to the actual spelling. Absolutely garbage autocorrect.
I don’t even have the AI shit. I stopped updating before 18 dropped, even tho my phone is only a couple years old, so I would never have to deal with it.
In the broadest sense of the term ”AI” yes, but people don’t mean general ML or NN approaches when they say that, it’s all LLMs and diffusion models. I hate the term for how meaningless it is
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Is amazing Microslop is still around given have shitty their products have.
they bribed their way into a monopoly that can effectively shut down any alternative that isn’t sponsored by other rich companies, like linux.
they can make it as shitty as they like.
It’s always baffled me how Microslop’s entire business model as far back as I can remember seems to be “Make the shittiest possible version of every product imaginable, then watch it for some reason become the global standard, then make it even worse and suffer no consequences.”
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
They can afford to have AI fail, almost every business in Europe and the US buys their software. That’s not going away anytime soon
If they lose all the money they have pumped into AI, then they will be relying on Windows and Office.
Good for them that both of those are currently doing fine.
I feel like you were being sarcastic, but they’re actually fine in enterprises, which is what they actually care for.
Well I don’t think they’re growing. Depending on the sector all the AI data scanning is a concern for a number of companies. I’ve seen a lot of European discussions about getting away from US cloud services too.
I think it’s just bad marketing. Microsoft, as they often are, just messed up their marketing strategy with mixing controversial and creepy stuff like Recall and actually useful things like local TTS and STT, translation, image recognition and manipulation stuff. All these ML functions offloaded to an NPU are good additions to an OS. Computers with NPU don’t have to be Copilot+ branded to be useful.
Runs diagnosis tools on AI laptop.
No AI feature actually runs locally.
NPU stays idle 100% of the time.
Your entire digital life is uploaded to Microslop and used to train LLMs…
again.
Hmm, they might’ve scrambled to add Recall et al, because those other features you named don’t particularly need to be offloaded. Except for maybe TTS, you’re not gonna run these in the background all the time. And if you need the occasional translation, it’s fine, if it takes a bit longer.
At least, I would’ve absolutely seen headlines à la “Microslop wants you to buy an expensive new PC – to do things your current PC can perfectly fine”.
You aren’t wrong that these functions don’t NEED NPU. But it helps with performance and offloading. What they also doing is opening APIs for software developers to use NPU and built-in models. For example, Adobe and Zoom use it for background filters. Again, with no CPU/GPU load.
And for your final point - this is not anything new for a company to try selling you a product that you don’t necessarily need. Their job is to make it attractive enough for you to upgrade.
Their deluded vision is that they think the traditional user interface is going away. Rather than interact with a machine, you’ll just be walking around, sipping coffee, having thoughtful conversations with a bot laughing along with your jokes as it writes your letter and does your taxes.
And it can even defuse the bomb at site B while you’re making dinner.
Wake me when it can plant a bomb at site B while I’m making dinner
Wake me when it can make dinner while I defend the bomb site
So, basically the computers from Star Trek: TNG. I’d go for that, but unfortunately, what we’ll get instead is enshitified AI slop which exists to suck a subscription fee out of you every month while pushing ads.
I dunno, I remember it more like, “hey computer, make a LARP/natural wonder/cozy space/sing & dance number for my real humanoid (and android) friends and I to enjoy together”. When computer manifestations got regarded as worthy of personhood, it was either some exceptional case, or the story was about the character’s delusion.
The dream of lonely boring tech douches
Are AI PCs the ones with insufficient RAM because the AI companies bought all the future production?
I think that ram hasn’t been made yet for AI centers that haven’t been made yet.
And also paid for with hypothetical money that doesn’t exist lol
“AI” is not a use case for a computer. Plain and simple. A real use case would be for instance to edit videos or code or create spreadsheets, and what the everloving shit does adding ✨Agentic and Conversational AI✨fix with literally any use case?
Sure, researching can be a use case for AI stuff, as well as just talking with it, but there’s no reason to sell an entire fucking class of laptops labeled “AI PCs” when the only thing it has is windows 11 copilot (lobotomised ChatGPT) and an NPU advertised as a “future compatibility” feature…
I use AI quite a bit for when I have to deal with something again that doesn’t have a simple documentation or stack overflow / reddit thread, and I know all too well I will never need agentic anything.
The one most useful AI for coding is supermaven, which is literally just auto complete plus but it doesn’t just do things, it works like any other tab completion.
Pretty sure no software dev at windows has ever really given these things a proper workout and still found them essential. Windows is really out here advertising Linux.
Stop using pointless slop no one gives a shit about as a selling point?
What are you, some kind of terrorist?
If terrorist now means defending the customer’s right then I am a terrorist!
Always has been.
Remember John Deere?
What is the average person even going to use an NPU for? There’s not a whole lot of useful things that can even be run on one.
The fuck even is an NPU? Is it like a NUC? I guess at least the N in NPU actually means something but I still hate this.
It’s a big matrix multiplier that is tailored for machine learning model evaluation (not training). Often they are low precision as that’s all you need for model evaluation (or “inference”).
Think of it as a much less useful GPU because it won’t do graphics.
It stands for Neural Processing Unit. It’s a processor for running AI. They multiply lots of small numbers really quickly.
I use windows click to do all the time in work.
I’m constantly being sent screenshots of tables with data in it that I can’t copy paste. (Side note, why take a perfectly searchable .csv and send me a screenshot of it???!!)
The tool really is a game changer for my productivity.
I sure as hell wouldn’t enable it on my personal computer though.
Maybe you’re aware and it doesn’t fit your need, but in case not: there’s a snipping to ocr tool provided with PowerToys. Win+shift+T and select a zone, il ocr it and puts it in your clipboard. Good stuff. There’s also NormCap that does the same : https://dynobo.github.io/normcap/
Hey thanks! I’ll check them out!
OCR exists and performs well with older hardware.
Collecting your raw data isn’t enough for Microsoft so they might use your PC and power to process your data.
WTF even is a Microsoft SlopC? Something that has hardware to speed up their AI deleting important files and sending your private data to hackers? I don’t think we need that fast-tracked, Windows 11 already does it well enough.
They replace the right windows key with a copilot button.
We really need to stop letting Microsoft add shit to keyboards TBH.
Agreed
My work PC has this, and it is thankfully fully disabled by group policy. Thanks Microsoft!
Ive seen the AI on my partners iphone. Wont be going near that shit.
I had to correct myself from typing “iphobe” three times, and im wondering which the mistake was.
“Being afraid of Apple”
Also known as: being a doctor.
Well that’s just the predictive text… mine thinks thr is the proper spelling of the cause it ‘learned’ from all my typos that I like that spelling, even going to far as to autocorrect the to thr
I’ve got and that corrects to annd now most of the time, except when I’m actively trying to write the type in which case it reverts to the actual spelling. Absolutely garbage autocorrect.
I don’t even have the AI shit. I stopped updating before 18 dropped, even tho my phone is only a couple years old, so I would never have to deal with it.
Its my fat thumbs.
This is also AI in some sense. Autosuggestion and auto completions are probability based algorithms, just like AI is.
Also, this is captured on GrapheneOS.
In the broadest sense of the term ”AI” yes, but people don’t mean general ML or NN approaches when they say that, it’s all LLMs and diffusion models. I hate the term for how meaningless it is
I kind of know. Dont use that either.