WASHINGTON, Sept 21 (Reuters) - The U.S. Commerce Department is expected on Monday to propose prohibiting Chinese software and hardware in connected and autonomous vehicles on American roads due to national security concerns, two sources told Reuters.
The Biden administration has raised serious concerns about the collection of data by Chinese companies on U.S. drivers and infrastructure as well as the potential foreign manipulation of vehicles connected to the internet and navigation systems.
The proposed regulation would ban the import and sale of vehicles from China with key communications or automated driving system software or hardware, said the two sources, who declined to be identified because the decision had not been publicly disclosed.
The move is a significant escalation in the United States’ ongoing restrictions on Chinese vehicles, software and components. Last week, the Biden administration locked in steep tariff hikes on Chinese imports, including a 100% duty on electric vehicles as well as new hikes on EV batteries and key minerals.
That’s not even on the table. The only thing Americans care about is the potential for Chinese surveillance. The potential for American surveillance and corporate surveillance (particularly for insurance companies) is considered a huge windfall that they’ll fight to continue.
No! You don’t understand. It’s all about the scary CPC spying on you. Wholesome American, European, and Japanese corporations spying on you would never misuse that information.
The fact of the matter is that every single new connected product is collecting data on anyone who uses it. Once the data is collected, it’s sold. Once it’s on the market, that data is used by every country. China will eventually get data on US drivers regardless of what make they drive, the US government just wants first dibs.
I’m not one of those people who think that China and Russia are some kind of utopic ideal we should all be working towards. The US government is also not a shining beacon of ethics.
It’s weird how they charge you $40k for a car, which almost every American needs just to survive, sell your data in addition to that, and still need to be bailed out by the taxpayer regularly.
I want them to write an actual KOSA bill that would introduce privacy laws and would prevent this stuff. But nah it’s more like Kill Online Safety Act and do nothing about the more real problems.
I wish they’d propose a mandate on having the option for disconnected vehicles sold in the US, instead. Privacy-conscious people should not have to resort to finding and disconnecting antennas to reclaim privacy from sketchy data collection. I get that China is the big bad wolf in this discussion, but American companies are just as bad with the data hoarding and erosion of privacy.
Nice to know Chinese EVs will be the choice for privacy-minded individuals in the US soon. Being cheaper than western brands is a nice big fat cherry on top.
I’m pretty sure anyone who believes that is quite misguided. tell me next that xiaomi phones and robot vacuums are privacy minded. we should also shift to wechat, right?
What’s more dangerous for a US citizen? US companies forwarding info to local police (as facebook and google have and continue to do?), or another country with no such power doing that?
I’m not a US citizen, neither of them are safe in any amount. Speaking of that, my country has ever increasing chinese influence, imported by our most corrupt goverment ever, along with loans that we will pay for decades, if not for longer. Chinese surveillance tech is appearing everywhere, like hundres of hikvision cameras.
I don’t think I’m a minority here.
I also don’t want to buy a Tesla ever, neither travel in one, and I’m pretty confident with today’s climate that I won’t ever have a car.
I dont want to travel to the US, but to china even less so.
The wrongdoings of the US does not make china any better of an option.
The prohibitions in question would include vehicles with certain bluetooth, satellite and wireless features as well as highly autonomous vehicles that could operate without a driver behind the wheel.
Chinese vehicles sold in the US would have the same internet connectivity as a base 2007 Honda Civic. Surveillance by the Chinese would be practically impossible with those limitations. You know who gets a pass on installing everything from internet connected cabin-facing cameras, accelerometers, microphones, and GPS tracking? US-based auto manufacturers!
That’s right, they can and will take all the data they have about you and sell them to data brokers. Enjoy paying a higher insurance premium because you braked too hard one time. Did your shiny new GM’s shitty drivetrain give out on you because their engineering is garbage and you want to claim the warranty for repairs? Too bad, you accelerated a little too hard that one time to get out of the way of a speeding truck and now they claim it was your bad driving that broke it.
I get you hate the CCP, most of us do (except the tankies here but they’re a special case) but until we rein in the lazy and corrupt domestic vehicle industry it’s gonna be a hard fight to get rid of Chinese vehicles encroaching on the market even with 100% tariffs.
Chinese vehicles sold in the US would have the same internet connectivity as a base 2007 Honda Civic. Surveillance by the Chinese would be practically impossible with those limitations.
yeah sure, we all know the us government blocks trackers of the bloatware built into chinese smartphones, chinese network routers, and all other things. Except they don’t.
Chinese vehicles sold in the US would have the same internet connectivity as a base 2007 Honda Civic.
I would even consider buying them, then. Honestly. It’s increasingly hard to find such cars.
oh you absolutely have to be worried about china. I don’t care specifically about anyone, and so I don’t care specifically about the US. Everyone having this much access is dangerous
There’s plenty of useful software in cars: collision avoidance systems, automatic braking systems, pedestrian detection systems, etc. Personally I love android auto / carplay for my audio books for my commute.
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This probably can’t be great news for Chinese-owned Volvo.
I’m opposed to connected vehicles
That’s not even on the table. The only thing Americans care about is the potential for Chinese surveillance. The potential for American surveillance and corporate surveillance (particularly for insurance companies) is considered a huge windfall that they’ll fight to continue.
No! You don’t understand. It’s all about the scary CPC spying on you. Wholesome American, European, and Japanese corporations spying on you would never misuse that information.
I’m opposed to vehicles
How would that even work? There is so much open source software in cars where you have no idea where the programmer is from. Best example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XZ_Utils_backdoor
Effectively just a ban on Chinese EV’s to protect American car companies that can’t keep up with them.
Id be fine with it if they repeal the chicken tax
Critical support for the US becoming more insular and cutting itself off from high end technology.
Did we all forget about the study from Mozilla on vehicle data collection?
The fact of the matter is that every single new connected product is collecting data on anyone who uses it. Once the data is collected, it’s sold. Once it’s on the market, that data is used by every country. China will eventually get data on US drivers regardless of what make they drive, the US government just wants first dibs.
I’m not one of those people who think that China and Russia are some kind of utopic ideal we should all be working towards. The US government is also not a shining beacon of ethics.
Yeah, obviously it’s not the point, but I would love a ban on car data collection instead.
Given how much lobbying power the American automotive industry has, I don’t think that will ever happen.
It’s weird how they charge you $40k for a car, which almost every American needs just to survive, sell your data in addition to that, and still need to be bailed out by the taxpayer regularly.
I want them to write an actual KOSA bill that would introduce privacy laws and would prevent this stuff. But nah it’s more like Kill Online Safety Act and do nothing about the more real problems.
They probably would if they weren’t being payed by lobby groups not to. Or at least one would hope they would.
the optimal approach would be to embrace public transport and let cars go the way of carthorses.
I wish they’d propose a mandate on having the option for disconnected vehicles sold in the US, instead. Privacy-conscious people should not have to resort to finding and disconnecting antennas to reclaim privacy from sketchy data collection. I get that China is the big bad wolf in this discussion, but American companies are just as bad with the data hoarding and erosion of privacy.
What about israeli tech tho? That’s the only civilian tech that I’ve seen used in terrorist attacks.
9/11 ring a bell?
Is a commercial airliner really civilian?
What else would it be?
Commercial? Enterprise?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobileye
Nortel’s revenge?
Nice to know Chinese EVs will be the choice for privacy-minded individuals in the US soon. Being cheaper than western brands is a nice big fat cherry on top.
I’m pretty sure anyone who believes that is quite misguided. tell me next that xiaomi phones and robot vacuums are privacy minded. we should also shift to wechat, right?
What’s more dangerous for a US citizen? US companies forwarding info to local police (as facebook and google have and continue to do?), or another country with no such power doing that?
I’m not a US citizen, neither of them are safe in any amount. Speaking of that, my country has ever increasing chinese influence, imported by our most corrupt goverment ever, along with loans that we will pay for decades, if not for longer. Chinese surveillance tech is appearing everywhere, like hundres of hikvision cameras.
I don’t think I’m a minority here.
I also don’t want to buy a Tesla ever, neither travel in one, and I’m pretty confident with today’s climate that I won’t ever have a car.
I dont want to travel to the US, but to china even less so.
The wrongdoings of the US does not make china any better of an option.
Chinese vehicles sold in the US would have the same internet connectivity as a base 2007 Honda Civic. Surveillance by the Chinese would be practically impossible with those limitations. You know who gets a pass on installing everything from internet connected cabin-facing cameras, accelerometers, microphones, and GPS tracking? US-based auto manufacturers!
That’s right, they can and will take all the data they have about you and sell them to data brokers. Enjoy paying a higher insurance premium because you braked too hard one time. Did your shiny new GM’s shitty drivetrain give out on you because their engineering is garbage and you want to claim the warranty for repairs? Too bad, you accelerated a little too hard that one time to get out of the way of a speeding truck and now they claim it was your bad driving that broke it.
I get you hate the CCP, most of us do (except the tankies here but they’re a special case) but until we rein in the lazy and corrupt domestic vehicle industry it’s gonna be a hard fight to get rid of Chinese vehicles encroaching on the market even with 100% tariffs.
yeah sure, we all know the us government blocks trackers of the bloatware built into chinese smartphones, chinese network routers, and all other things. Except they don’t.
I would even consider buying them, then. Honestly. It’s increasingly hard to find such cars.
Unironically yes, those are less likely to siphon your data to US letters agencies, and those are the ones you should be worried about, not China.
oh you absolutely have to be worried about china. I don’t care specifically about anyone, and so I don’t care specifically about the US. Everyone having this much access is dangerous
I think that’s nice as long as people can jailbreak them.
This has a fair reason. If war were to break out the Chinese government could, hypothetically, hijack, kill, or break all their cars in the country.
They would make all their EV’s explode with their supply chain implanted plastic explosives!
then don’t go to war with china. people talk like the chinese would go attacking for no reason.
How about we ban software in cars in general, beyond basic engine control.
There’s plenty of useful software in cars: collision avoidance systems, automatic braking systems, pedestrian detection systems, etc. Personally I love android auto / carplay for my audio books for my commute.
They definitely got their priorities set straight.