I’ve played even less than you but here’s my feedback so far:
They were supposed to add account-wide reputation, they gave us 10% of it, just for one expansion.
Both TWW and DF reps are account-wide. They will be rolling out past expansions over time…as they stated months ago
[Story/writing]
I liked the Dalaran cutscene a lot. The voice actor for the one kinda mean guy you meet is…not great. The writing feels in line with WoW which isn’t a compliment but I’ve never paid much attention to the story anyway (skip skip skip, just let me smash some barrels)
Class design is terrible
I’ve only messed with Brewmaster but I’m loving the changes. I’ve seen nothing but positivity in guild chat about the changes to everyone’s classes. For me, it streamlined the class by removed several annoying button presses while still feeling like the same class.
[Feral druids]
Someone has to be the worst…but I got KSM on a WW when I was new to the game and they were a trash spec. I also looked at some lists and wowhead does indeed have them as D tier for M+. However, they are in the A tier for raids. Neither of which are casual content.
Tier lists are for high level content. Every single spec in the game is fine for a casual player. It does not matter what you play.
Hero talents
… they’re normal skill points…you just pick the track to add them to. It’d be the same thing as extending branches at the bottom of the existing tree lol
I like how you might pick different trees for different content. And with being able to save loadouts, doing so is pretty damn easy
So much for Metzen coming back and fixing the story. I actually came back for the free weekend, got disgusted at the relentless grind, and went back to never giving them another dime.
They always were. Thinking back to Legion invasions and whatever the fuck they did for BfA before I deleted my account following the Blitzchung incident.
I haven’t played wow for a while now but the last paragraph made me laugh. WoW originally had three talent trees per class. Then they went to one per class and now years later they’re going back to three. Too damn funny.
Yeah I quit WoW in 2009 and never went back, which would have been 15 years ago now, and lines up with what the OP was saying for timeline. I remember all the coming class changes that would homogenize things drastically, and already being rather annoyed with how things already were, I dipped without a regret, other than losing touch with friends from there. I’m only in contact with a few of them at this point and that’s a little sad, but we all move on eventually.
Druids currently have 7 trees. (And a treeent form)
1 class tree, 4 spec trees and 2 (or is it 3 for druids?) hero trees. Only 3 can be used at any one time though (to be clear as you don’t currently play)
The more possible combinations, the harder it can be to balance though
Glad to know druids are still catching absurd nerfs. Some things never change.
Something like wow is about the only thing I’d consider paid early access for. The chance to get out of the starting new zones while there’s only 30-50% as many people in them is an appealing idea.
I skipped purchasing early access because I hate FOMO practices and early access has no place in WoW.
Especially screwing over loyal players that have been playing for years and years, paying for countless months of subscriptions.
The more I hear about TWW the less I’m interested in it.
The one thing I am interested in at this point is the story, but it’s a fucking online minefield trying to dodge spoilers with this early access bullshit.
Having switched to FF14 a while ago, I always thought that game’s early access model for preordering was unnecessary. Since you could still “preorder” during the EA window and start playing right away, why not just call it what it is, the official launch of the expansion? Never liked the taste of FOMO, even when it’s artificial/unimpactful.
But having a separate paid EA window on top of the game’s subscription cost and cost of buying the expansion? That just doesn’t sit right at all. I can’t even complain about FF14 now.
Can’t really feel any sympathy for you seeing how you willingly paid them more to be a beta tester for their so-called Early Access. Next time wait a month or three after their unfinished release for the most glaring issues to be fixed.
They can’t write good stories any more, don’t expect good main story, just good side quests.
It still feels like this expansion was too early (as usual) and many classes could have done with more time in the oven (druids and rogues)
On the talents - they realised that they can’t just keep giving us stuff, so they have switched to having some kind of ‘borrowed power’ that gets taken away after the expansion - I think the hero talents are another example of this? Some are shit though and I imagine it’s going to be balance hell (rip boomkins too lol), as they never seem to learn with this stuff.
It’s the endgame group content that actually sells wow for many people (me), so as long as that works and it’s ok balance wise (or alts can be leveled easily) then it’s probably ok for quite a few people though.
Disclaimer: have not got early access, have bought the expansion, but left it really late to decide.
Didn’t DF kind of get rid of borrowed power model? I assumed the Hero Talents were just the extension of the talent tree and would be added to next expansion, not something that would be removed in 2 years. They’re still just talent points
Hot take: WoW never had a good story in any expansion. Just a few good moments scattered around like islands in a sea of grind.
The closest they got to a good cohesive story was Legion, but that was only if you were playing from the beginning and got to see everything develop live before they just started shoving people into catch up points that made no sense without context.
I mean, would you? The whole damn playerbase basically goes ‘lol read quest text? watch cutscenes? no time, need purps!’.
If I were Blizzard, I’d probably stop caring about story too because the player base doesn’t care all that much either, and the ones that do aren’t going to quit over a shitty story at this point: if they were going to, they already did in Shadowlands.
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I’ve played even less than you but here’s my feedback so far:
Both TWW and DF reps are account-wide. They will be rolling out past expansions over time…as they stated months ago
I liked the Dalaran cutscene a lot. The voice actor for the one kinda mean guy you meet is…not great. The writing feels in line with WoW which isn’t a compliment but I’ve never paid much attention to the story anyway (skip skip skip, just let me smash some barrels)
I’ve only messed with Brewmaster but I’m loving the changes. I’ve seen nothing but positivity in guild chat about the changes to everyone’s classes. For me, it streamlined the class by removed several annoying button presses while still feeling like the same class.
Someone has to be the worst…but I got KSM on a WW when I was new to the game and they were a trash spec. I also looked at some lists and wowhead does indeed have them as D tier for M+. However, they are in the A tier for raids. Neither of which are casual content.
Tier lists are for high level content. Every single spec in the game is fine for a casual player. It does not matter what you play.
… they’re normal skill points…you just pick the track to add them to. It’d be the same thing as extending branches at the bottom of the existing tree lol
I like how you might pick different trees for different content. And with being able to save loadouts, doing so is pretty damn easy
That’s what you get for playing feral Druid. -Druid Player
So much for Metzen coming back and fixing the story. I actually came back for the free weekend, got disgusted at the relentless grind, and went back to never giving them another dime.
Ironically the event that weekend and past week has been insanely helpful in leveling alts, like going from 1 to 70 in barely 4-5 hours
They always were. Thinking back to Legion invasions and whatever the fuck they did for BfA before I deleted my account following the Blitzchung incident.
I haven’t played wow for a while now but the last paragraph made me laugh. WoW originally had three talent trees per class. Then they went to one per class and now years later they’re going back to three. Too damn funny.
Yeah I quit WoW in 2009 and never went back, which would have been 15 years ago now, and lines up with what the OP was saying for timeline. I remember all the coming class changes that would homogenize things drastically, and already being rather annoyed with how things already were, I dipped without a regret, other than losing touch with friends from there. I’m only in contact with a few of them at this point and that’s a little sad, but we all move on eventually.
Druids currently have 7 trees. (And a treeent form)
1 class tree, 4 spec trees and 2 (or is it 3 for druids?) hero trees. Only 3 can be used at any one time though (to be clear as you don’t currently play)
The more possible combinations, the harder it can be to balance though
That’s what I was thinking. I haven’t touched the game since pre cataclysm so, that confused me.
Glad to know druids are still catching absurd nerfs. Some things never change.
Something like wow is about the only thing I’d consider paid early access for. The chance to get out of the starting new zones while there’s only 30-50% as many people in them is an appealing idea.
I skipped purchasing early access because I hate FOMO practices and early access has no place in WoW.
Especially screwing over loyal players that have been playing for years and years, paying for countless months of subscriptions.
The more I hear about TWW the less I’m interested in it.
The one thing I am interested in at this point is the story, but it’s a fucking online minefield trying to dodge spoilers with this early access bullshit.
Having switched to FF14 a while ago, I always thought that game’s early access model for preordering was unnecessary. Since you could still “preorder” during the EA window and start playing right away, why not just call it what it is, the official launch of the expansion? Never liked the taste of FOMO, even when it’s artificial/unimpactful.
But having a separate paid EA window on top of the game’s subscription cost and cost of buying the expansion? That just doesn’t sit right at all. I can’t even complain about FF14 now.
Can’t really feel any sympathy for you seeing how you willingly paid them more to be a beta tester for their so-called Early Access. Next time wait a month or three after their unfinished release for the most glaring issues to be fixed.
They can’t write good stories any more, don’t expect good main story, just good side quests.
It still feels like this expansion was too early (as usual) and many classes could have done with more time in the oven (druids and rogues)
On the talents - they realised that they can’t just keep giving us stuff, so they have switched to having some kind of ‘borrowed power’ that gets taken away after the expansion - I think the hero talents are another example of this? Some are shit though and I imagine it’s going to be balance hell (rip boomkins too lol), as they never seem to learn with this stuff.
It’s the endgame group content that actually sells wow for many people (me), so as long as that works and it’s ok balance wise (or alts can be leveled easily) then it’s probably ok for quite a few people though.
Disclaimer: have not got early access, have bought the expansion, but left it really late to decide.
Didn’t DF kind of get rid of borrowed power model? I assumed the Hero Talents were just the extension of the talent tree and would be added to next expansion, not something that would be removed in 2 years. They’re still just talent points
Hot take: WoW never had a good story in any expansion. Just a few good moments scattered around like islands in a sea of grind.
The closest they got to a good cohesive story was Legion, but that was only if you were playing from the beginning and got to see everything develop live before they just started shoving people into catch up points that made no sense without context.
I mean, my understanding is that they fired half of their story continuity team, resulting in a published (physical) lore book that makes no sense.
So now I don’t think they are even trying
I mean, would you? The whole damn playerbase basically goes ‘lol read quest text? watch cutscenes? no time, need purps!’.
If I were Blizzard, I’d probably stop caring about story too because the player base doesn’t care all that much either, and the ones that do aren’t going to quit over a shitty story at this point: if they were going to, they already did in Shadowlands.
While I agree on the bullshit early access, isn’t the expansion not even out for 24hrs yet? This guy is already complaining about balance? Damn