This is so dumb… the only reason I even watch football is the malicious glee I get when a dumb celebration is cancelled after VAR clearly shows it was an invalid goal.
The Premier League’s figures show the number of correct decisions in matches has increased from 82% before VAR was introduced to 96% currently. With semi-automated offside technology due to be introduced early next season, it is felt that figure will increase even further.
So these people want to have 1/5 of the decisions be wrong again in order to win. How amazingly convenient.
This was a problem created by the refs in the PL, not by VAR. When La Liga is able to have a mostly non-controversial VAR with the likes of Hernandez Hernandez (who’s so bad you have to say his name twice), then it isn’t due to the quality of the refs. Even games in CONCACAF, which has to deal with CONCACAF refs AND players, is able to handle VAR fine. It’s weird how the biggest issues are from one league.
We’ll still have games being stopped for interminable checks, we’ll still have goals not being celebrated as much as they would have been due to their provisional nature, we’ll still have incorrect decisions, and we’ll still have an uneven playing field depending on what tier a team plays in.
The personnel watching the screens won’t change any of that.
I have no basis for this theory, but I still believe that the FA and/or PGMOL deliberately fucked up the implementation and use of VAR as much as they could, so that after a few seasons it would be scrapped.
Depends what you mean by “work decently” - if it still involves uncertainty over whether a goal is going to stand or not, drawing lines to determine offside decisions, and rolling back and forward to make a judgement on something that happened too fast for the cameras to be technically capable of capturing, then count me out.
Football was more fun without VAR. And from games I’ve seen in Spain, Germany, Italy and in the CL, VAR is just as frustrating and annoying there as in England or anywhere else.
I can’t remember at any point this Bundesliga season or the previous world cup where VAR was particularly egregious, I’m sure there were moments for sure but not like the PL where there’s an issue almost every game.
To be fair, it might come down to personal preference - I’m not talking so much about how well or badly VAR is used. I’m talking about its use at all. I just hate the way it punctuates the game.
Well, when you implement something in a terrible way, this happens.
In the States, the NFL rolled out possibly the worst video review system ever three decades ago and the cultural memory has persisted to the point where American leagues appear to avoid the worst mistakes.
Agreed, but it’s not just the implementation IMO. Football ⚽ just isn’t suited to this sort of thing, it’s much too free-flowing. It’s not like tennis or cricket or football 🏈 which stop frequently anyway.
I don’t think VAR was ever, nor is ever, going to work, at least not to a degree where it’s worth the downsides it brings.
Soccer stops after goals for people to dance around, mug for photos, put the ball under their shirt and suck their thumb, taunt the opposing supporters, etc.
Soccer stops after fouls for people to roll around and act like they have a compound hip fracture, and for the teammates to surround the ref and scream at him.
I’m not opposed to these things except the ref-crowding.
It’s also a nice coincidence that these happen to be prime situations for a video official to check things.
The offsides hair splitting and angel pinhead dancing done in PL VAR is ridiculous though.
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This is so dumb… the only reason I even watch football is the malicious glee I get when a dumb celebration is cancelled after VAR clearly shows it was an invalid goal.
So these people want to have 1/5 of the decisions be wrong again in order to win. How amazingly convenient.
The good part of not having VAR in all games in Brazil is that everyone can realize how good it actually is
This was a problem created by the refs in the PL, not by VAR. When La Liga is able to have a mostly non-controversial VAR with the likes of Hernandez Hernandez (who’s so bad you have to say his name twice), then it isn’t due to the quality of the refs. Even games in CONCACAF, which has to deal with CONCACAF refs AND players, is able to handle VAR fine. It’s weird how the biggest issues are from one league.
I don’t want them scrapped, I want them outsourced and fully independent.
We’ll still have games being stopped for interminable checks, we’ll still have goals not being celebrated as much as they would have been due to their provisional nature, we’ll still have incorrect decisions, and we’ll still have an uneven playing field depending on what tier a team plays in.
The personnel watching the screens won’t change any of that.
I have no basis for this theory, but I still believe that the FA and/or PGMOL deliberately fucked up the implementation and use of VAR as much as they could, so that after a few seasons it would be scrapped.
I don’t think so, I just think VAR is not something that can ever really work in football.
Seems to work decently in most other leagues and tournaments. Maybe not perfectly, but better than before and WAY better than in the PL.
Depends what you mean by “work decently” - if it still involves uncertainty over whether a goal is going to stand or not, drawing lines to determine offside decisions, and rolling back and forward to make a judgement on something that happened too fast for the cameras to be technically capable of capturing, then count me out.
Football was more fun without VAR. And from games I’ve seen in Spain, Germany, Italy and in the CL, VAR is just as frustrating and annoying there as in England or anywhere else.
I can’t remember at any point this Bundesliga season or the previous world cup where VAR was particularly egregious, I’m sure there were moments for sure but not like the PL where there’s an issue almost every game.
To be fair, it might come down to personal preference - I’m not talking so much about how well or badly VAR is used. I’m talking about its use at all. I just hate the way it punctuates the game.
Scrap the referees, keep the video
Well, when you implement something in a terrible way, this happens.
In the States, the NFL rolled out possibly the worst video review system ever three decades ago and the cultural memory has persisted to the point where American leagues appear to avoid the worst mistakes.
Agreed, but it’s not just the implementation IMO. Football ⚽ just isn’t suited to this sort of thing, it’s much too free-flowing. It’s not like tennis or cricket or football 🏈 which stop frequently anyway.
I don’t think VAR was ever, nor is ever, going to work, at least not to a degree where it’s worth the downsides it brings.
Soccer stops after goals for people to dance around, mug for photos, put the ball under their shirt and suck their thumb, taunt the opposing supporters, etc.
Soccer stops after fouls for people to roll around and act like they have a compound hip fracture, and for the teammates to surround the ref and scream at him.
I’m not opposed to these things except the ref-crowding.
It’s also a nice coincidence that these happen to be prime situations for a video official to check things.
The offsides hair splitting and angel pinhead dancing done in PL VAR is ridiculous though.