I can’t root my phone because I don’t have an image for it (Moto G73) although I’d like to, but for some reason my banking app thinks it’s rooted and refuses to work. This happened just after I updated it, it wasn’t happening before.
Edit: I’m regretting not getting the Motorola Edge 40 Neo, which also costs £250, but is slightly better in multiple ways, and seems like it has better root support.
Wasn’t there talk about Google deprecating SafetyNet? If this has already happened and your banking app is still relying on it, it could lead to a fslse positive on the root check I believe.
I’ll go without a phone before I agree to terms like that. I refuse to go without my permission spoofing and privacy enhancements. I’m not giving them unrestricted access to my data, they’ll have to at the very least try harder and waste more money on hackers than usual.
I think there’s magisk module that can bypass that but i forgot what’s name
3 years ago i unlock bootloader + install custom ROM/Kernel in my mom phone (bc it’s still running very ancient android) & install magisk after that i activate the module that can hide magisk presence (forgot what’s name) so all e-banking & other payment apps work well
If might work if I could work out how to root it. I can’t find a stock image for my device to patch with magisk. Just out of interest, I wonder if there’s one available for the edge 40 Neo, if I had got that. I don’t have it, but if it supports root, I just might see if I can trade in my phone.
I haven’t kept up with the rooting scene but if you want to get into that and are on a budget, a used Pixel might just be the ticket: They’re very root friendly and well documented. Good luck!
The thing is, I need the device to support a micro SD card and have decent specs (8GB/256GB/120hz/5Ah) more than I need to be able to root it, but if I can get both I’d be very happy.
Sony Xperia has some nice stuff that might fit those requirements, pretty sure Moto makes at least once phone that meets those specs too but I can’t recall the name off hand. Someone was just telling me about it last week and it was made in 2023. I’ll let you know if I can remember the name of it.
Yes, but not rooted. I could relock it and see if that solves the issue, but the app was opening fine when it was still OEM unlocked for several months until the app was updated yesterday. I didn’t want it locked in case I did ever find a custom ROM for my phone and I didn’t want to delete all my data.
If you’ve done an OEM unlock, you effectively already have root access to the device. You could boot a custom recovery right now and modify any system file.
“Rooting” just means using this privilege you already have in order to install a tool into the OS such that you can make use of this privilege while the regular OS is booted.
Go install Magisk and do the safetynet dance. It’s a whole thing but should give you a “clean” device from the perspective of unprivileged apps. It’s stupid that you have to do this but here we are.
There are exploits out there either kept secret by malicious/proprietary parties, or not practical for consumer desires to get a proper rooted experience.
Pretty much the only method to fix it if you’re affected that I can think of is to factory reset your phone with a manufacturer provided image, and even then it’s not 100% guaranteed if the bootloader is compromised.
Would not recommend rooting anymore, as many apps that have a financial/banking/CC aspect will stop working. Like this one. Rooting used to serve great purposes & had no drawbacks; now there aren’t many perks and many punishments. Even your Snapchat will refuse to work, probably because “you can use Snapchat to send & receive money”. No one does, but that doesn’t matter.
That sucks & I’m sorry. This (probably) wouldn’t have helped with a banking app, which forces you to update frequently, but I do not update apps unless: they are buggy, there’s an update I’d really like, or I am forced. Not all updates are good.
This is misinformation in the sense that with Magisk, Magiskhide and its denylist, I haven’t seen an app that detects root. Everything works for me even though I’m rooted.
Not saying there aren’t cases depending on phone and apps where it couldn’t happen, but usually rooting is not a problem.
Oh that’s fine, I’m glad it’s working for you. I just remember I tried to put some form of Magisk on my rooted S8 Active & it was just a whole thing, I don’t think I was successful. My financial stuff, my Samsung wallet, and even Snapchat didn’t work.
Next phone & on, I thought about the reasons why I rooted in the first place. Enough of those reasons are resolved, or a non-issue now. I’ve turned into a more boring, regular adult that streams, surfs web, checks email, calls/texts. I’ve grown tired of jumping through hoops. 👍🏻 😴 Definitely miss making my battery last forever, though.
Install TB Checker and use the various detection modes to figure out what the bank app might be picking up on.
They check for a lot of (dumb) things instead of just checking for Play Integrity like they’re supposed to. For example it might be detecting an app that could be using root, even if it’s not, and assume that means you must be rooted, even though you’re not. 🤷
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Wasn’t there talk about Google deprecating SafetyNet? If this has already happened and your banking app is still relying on it, it could lead to a fslse positive on the root check I believe.
I’ll go without a phone before I agree to terms like that. I refuse to go without my permission spoofing and privacy enhancements. I’m not giving them unrestricted access to my data, they’ll have to at the very least try harder and waste more money on hackers than usual.
Install Kitsune Mask (just like Magisk install) https://huskydg.github.io/magisk-files/
Install PIF Next. It will automatically download new device fingerprints as Google bans old ones https://github.com/daboynb/PlayIntegrityNEXT
Google, banks, Microsoft, whoever else is aggressively checking for root. Please consider to eat my entire asshole. Thank you.
Edit: nvm I’m bad at reading, I missed that you couldn’t even root your phone.
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Is your system software fully updated?
Are you running a Beta version of the system software?
It’s the latest stable version, it updated a couple of days ago.
https://en-emea.support.motorola.com/app/product_page/faqs/p/11431
That shows a bunch of FAQs, was there a specific one you wanted me to see?
There’s instructions to restore the firmware on the phone.
I think there’s magisk module that can bypass that but i forgot what’s name
3 years ago i unlock bootloader + install custom ROM/Kernel in my mom phone (bc it’s still running very ancient android) & install magisk after that i activate the module that can hide magisk presence (forgot what’s name) so all e-banking & other payment apps work well
And how are they going to use it if they can’t root their phone?
Indeed
But Android is open source! Oh, until you actually do any fucking thing with it. Be gone, Google.
Did you enable developer mode and their message is stupid?
I enabled developer mode, but it’s not rooted.
Fucking DRM.
This happens because “normie” Android devices has a proprietary shit called SafeNet Attestation API
SafetyNet is the old thing. It’s all about Play Integrity now. Magisk & friends have already moved on to a new method of fingerprint spoofing.
good to know
This is the correct take.
This might help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juKRQWzC8qM
Can’t hide root if I’m not actually rooted.
Oh, sorry if you tried this already but you could also try resetting app data for that app and reloading to see if that helps?
Well, I tried uninstalling the app, restarting the device, and reinstalling it.
Shit, yeah that would wipe the app data too. Sorry buddy, I’m out of ideas. DRM is bullshit :(
Root so you can hide it?
Seriously though, that might actually work.
Either way, shit like this is why DRM is stupid.
If might work if I could work out how to root it. I can’t find a stock image for my device to patch with magisk. Just out of interest, I wonder if there’s one available for the edge 40 Neo, if I had got that. I don’t have it, but if it supports root, I just might see if I can trade in my phone.
I haven’t kept up with the rooting scene but if you want to get into that and are on a budget, a used Pixel might just be the ticket: They’re very root friendly and well documented. Good luck!
The thing is, I need the device to support a micro SD card and have decent specs (8GB/256GB/120hz/5Ah) more than I need to be able to root it, but if I can get both I’d be very happy.
Sony Xperia has some nice stuff that might fit those requirements, pretty sure Moto makes at least once phone that meets those specs too but I can’t recall the name off hand. Someone was just telling me about it last week and it was made in 2023. I’ll let you know if I can remember the name of it.
Thanks, when you remember I’ll be interested
I was able to bypass something similar by using apps that create multiple instances of an app, I used Shelter (https://f-droid.org/packages/net.typeblog.shelter/)
Is it OEM unlocked?
Yes, but not rooted. I could relock it and see if that solves the issue, but the app was opening fine when it was still OEM unlocked for several months until the app was updated yesterday. I didn’t want it locked in case I did ever find a custom ROM for my phone and I didn’t want to delete all my data.
If you’ve done an OEM unlock, you effectively already have root access to the device. You could boot a custom recovery right now and modify any system file.
“Rooting” just means using this privilege you already have in order to install a tool into the OS such that you can make use of this privilege while the regular OS is booted.
Go install Magisk and do the safetynet dance. It’s a whole thing but should give you a “clean” device from the perspective of unprivileged apps. It’s stupid that you have to do this but here we are.
Pretty sure this is the reason then, OEM unlocks can trigger this on some devices.
Just FYI, rootkit malware does exist for phones
What is that and how does it relate to my issue?
Spyware that roots your phone.
Well how could it do it if I can’t?
A lot of exploits exist to root a phone. Bad apps can abuse those exploits.
You don’t actually need an image to root a phone, that’s not what rooting is… It’s just gaining full administrative privileges over the device
There are exploits out there either kept secret by malicious/proprietary parties, or not practical for consumer desires to get a proper rooted experience.
Pretty much the only method to fix it if you’re affected that I can think of is to factory reset your phone with a manufacturer provided image, and even then it’s not 100% guaranteed if the bootloader is compromised.
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Would not recommend rooting anymore, as many apps that have a financial/banking/CC aspect will stop working. Like this one. Rooting used to serve great purposes & had no drawbacks; now there aren’t many perks and many punishments. Even your Snapchat will refuse to work, probably because “you can use Snapchat to send & receive money”. No one does, but that doesn’t matter.
That sucks & I’m sorry. This (probably) wouldn’t have helped with a banking app, which forces you to update frequently, but I do not update apps unless: they are buggy, there’s an update I’d really like, or I am forced. Not all updates are good.
This is misinformation in the sense that with Magisk, Magiskhide and its denylist, I haven’t seen an app that detects root. Everything works for me even though I’m rooted.
Not saying there aren’t cases depending on phone and apps where it couldn’t happen, but usually rooting is not a problem.
Oh that’s fine, I’m glad it’s working for you. I just remember I tried to put some form of Magisk on my rooted S8 Active & it was just a whole thing, I don’t think I was successful. My financial stuff, my Samsung wallet, and even Snapchat didn’t work.
Next phone & on, I thought about the reasons why I rooted in the first place. Enough of those reasons are resolved, or a non-issue now. I’ve turned into a more boring, regular adult that streams, surfs web, checks email, calls/texts. I’ve grown tired of jumping through hoops. 👍🏻 😴 Definitely miss making my battery last forever, though.
Install TB Checker and use the various detection modes to figure out what the bank app might be picking up on.
They check for a lot of (dumb) things instead of just checking for Play Integrity like they’re supposed to. For example it might be detecting an app that could be using root, even if it’s not, and assume that means you must be rooted, even though you’re not. 🤷
8 known trackers, and won’t open when I install it from Aurora. Yeah…