Sure, they are really good on the right-to-repair issue, but that’s because they want to be more independent and less reliant on other countries to make new phones. As for privacy and information control, the government don’t really have an incentive to give people more privacy and freedoms. They are still trying to pass chat control with a majority of the EU members in support (the only reason its not passed yet is because EU laws need to be unanimous)
You obviously don’t understand EU, it’s far from only right to repair, but EU has many protections against American shenanigans, like tracking and storing of personal data, and right to be forgotten (GDPR). EU Also dictated Apple should allow sideloading, something Apple of course mostly circumvented, but they could face steep fines for that too.
EU also has way stricter regulation than USA and UK on mass surveillance. And generally way better consumer protection than USA.
EU also mandates de-anonymisation online: (1). EU also plans to have every single message one sends to be scanned by them.
I think the reasoning behind their decisions is simply summed up as: more power to the EU administration, less freedom for everyone else, be it US tech giants, EU citizens or small software developers.
Honestly no idea. It’s hard enough finding a phone with an audio jack, and now I have to find a phone with an audio jack, and an unlockable bootloader so I can install another OS?
Just seems like my way of living is incompatible with modern society. It’s all just too hard
We’ll have to see how they implement it first. If it’s just through Play Protect, I’m fine as I’m already not using that. If not, guess I’ll have to make-do with a Linux phone.
It affects only people using factory roms and google play services. I don’t remember the last time I used a factory rom, I’ve use microg for nearly a decade, (and I’m a mod of [email protected]) and I’m not planning to change this workflow even when I will replace my phone, so I’m pretty sure I’m not affected at all.
See the thing with this is, Google would be forcing manufacturers to meet their “requirements” in order to get Google Play Certified, now they are using the requirement list to force this change, they could also add a “Disable Bootloader Unlocking” requirement to certification.
Its the mobile equivalent of the “Windows 11 TPM Requirement”.
Judging by the “Galaxy Store” they tried to get people to use, Samsung would just make apps go through their approval process instead, not that much better.
i’ve tried to do this on several occasions but sadly i have to travel at odd intervals for work. part of that is ride “sharing” services, apps to unlock doors (no web alternative), and notifications from work on the go.
the last time i tried this i simply kept a spare stock phone for when i had to travel for work and i just set it up before a trip and then wiped it after. it’s extra effort but it’s doable.
Does anyone know how graphine performs on foldables? The big reason I haven’t just switched to it is a healthy skepticism about it’s ability to handle the two screens well.
Using graphineos on a pixel fold, only complaints is that the taskbar isn’t editable like it is in stock android, and sometimes it does not enable the inner screen when I unfold it, but only when full screen stuff is open. Close it and it works fine.
Super small nitpicks overall. Everything else works as expected for me.
For the immediate future, I’ll be all set with GrapheneOS.
Beyond that, I’ll suffer whatever inconveniences I need to in order to avoid this bullshit. If that means I can’t use my banking apps, I’ll find a better bank, or use the web site, or just say “fuck it all” and stop banking on my phone altogether. I’ve already given up NFC payments. It’s not the end of the world.
This will only become a bigger pain in the ass as time goes on, I’m sure, but I will die on this hill. I suggest that everyone draw their lines in the sand sooner rather than later.
this pain in the ass seems to be cyclic with regards to open source things. over the last 30 odd years of my being in the flow of doing my own thing with my own hardware, it seems like we hit peaks and valleys of “company does something frustrating” -> “community sorts it out”. rinse and repeat.
it’ll be bumpy but someone will figure it out and we’ll start the cycle again.
Yep. Me too. I’ll be OK for now with GrapheneOS, and as time goes on I’ll make changes as needed.
I’m actually optimistic things will work out before it gets to that point, but if it doesn’t I’m willing to do what I need to. I will die on the hill with you.
The only reason I’m on a Google rom is because I can’t get confirmation that I can cast Netflix to a Chromecast with microG. It’s the only Google ecosystem thing that matters to me. If they try to break my phone then I finally get to get over that hump, no loss. Almost everything in my phone is F-Droid (“side-loaded” is such a loaded phrase)
I’m also hopeful that this move will get struck down given the recent anti competitive practices cases they’ve lost.
Yeah, I’ve got an actual Chromecast, not a Google TV, so I can’t install anything on it. I have enough computers around that buying anything new would be redundant, but nothing works quite like a Chromecast.
i truly don’t know the difference, this guys was a little disk that plugged in hdmi. let me look it up and see if i was a cast. (who knew google had more than one ‘smart tv’ product line)
The name is really just branding - Chromecast, Google Cast and Google TV have all been used for radically different Cast Receiver products. The important part though is that my device doesn’t have Android TV installed on it; it doesn’t have Apps and I can’t install VLC on it.
(If you meant VLC was on the mobile device, I believe this is a separate system where you stream from the mobile device to the Cast Receiver thingy. The big value of Chromecast (the standard) is that the mobile device doesn’t do any real work, just tells the Cast Receiver where to look for the stream. If I misunderstand the situation let me know, I’m eternally hopeful)
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If google blocks my access to Monster Strike I’m buying a Huawei probably
Unless there’s an FOSS OS friendly phone these days, that would be cool to try
Buy my friends some real computers ig
I use F-droid for everything. I’d truly be fucked.
Chaos and rebellion.
Sell off any phones that I can’t modify. Aggressively de-Google while setting up fake accounts to send garbage into their system training.
Light my way with the burning of bridges.
Not updating my phone for now. Installing a custom ROM on my next phone
Hoping that EU comes to the rescue.
Nah they wont.
Sure, they are really good on the right-to-repair issue, but that’s because they want to be more independent and less reliant on other countries to make new phones. As for privacy and information control, the government don’t really have an incentive to give people more privacy and freedoms. They are still trying to pass chat control with a majority of the EU members in support (the only reason its not passed yet is because EU laws need to be unanimous)
You obviously don’t understand EU, it’s far from only right to repair, but EU has many protections against American shenanigans, like tracking and storing of personal data, and right to be forgotten (GDPR). EU Also dictated Apple should allow sideloading, something Apple of course mostly circumvented, but they could face steep fines for that too.
EU also has way stricter regulation than USA and UK on mass surveillance. And generally way better consumer protection than USA.
EU also mandates de-anonymisation online: (1). EU also plans to have every single message one sends to be scanned by them.
I think the reasoning behind their decisions is simply summed up as: more power to the EU administration, less freedom for everyone else, be it US tech giants, EU citizens or small software developers.
FUD
google saw that EU allowed apple to do something similar, so why not take the chance to lock the garden…
Honestly no idea. It’s hard enough finding a phone with an audio jack, and now I have to find a phone with an audio jack, and an unlockable bootloader so I can install another OS?
Just seems like my way of living is incompatible with modern society. It’s all just too hard
I know right?
Used a locked phone! Submit your ID to the web! Create a Instagram account! SUBMIT! SUBMIT! SUBMIT!
We’ll have to see how they implement it first. If it’s just through Play Protect, I’m fine as I’m already not using that. If not, guess I’ll have to make-do with a Linux phone.
There hasn’t been anything Google on my phone for a while now, so I’ll first wait and see how they regain control over my phone :D
the “:D” really made the comment, its like the “this is fine” meme, but simplified to 2 characters xD
Basically, yes
All we can really do is deal with shit as it arises, but it’s still shit
It affects only people using factory roms and google play services. I don’t remember the last time I used a factory rom, I’ve use microg for nearly a decade, (and I’m a mod of [email protected]) and I’m not planning to change this workflow even when I will replace my phone, so I’m pretty sure I’m not affected at all.
See the thing with this is, Google would be forcing manufacturers to meet their “requirements” in order to get Google Play Certified, now they are using the requirement list to force this change, they could also add a “Disable Bootloader Unlocking” requirement to certification.
Its the mobile equivalent of the “Windows 11 TPM Requirement”.
Unlockable bootloader is indeed more and more important. Hopefully a handful of manufacturers still allow that
This seems like an ideal opportunity for samsung to fork android.
Judging by the “Galaxy Store” they tried to get people to use, Samsung would just make apps go through their approval process instead, not that much better.
Gonna push me to using a dumb phone and a Linux laptop I guess.
Doesn’t sound bad at all really when you think of it.
i’ve tried to do this on several occasions but sadly i have to travel at odd intervals for work. part of that is ride “sharing” services, apps to unlock doors (no web alternative), and notifications from work on the go.
the last time i tried this i simply kept a spare stock phone for when i had to travel for work and i just set it up before a trip and then wiped it after. it’s extra effort but it’s doable.
Does anyone know how graphine performs on foldables? The big reason I haven’t just switched to it is a healthy skepticism about it’s ability to handle the two screens well.
Using graphineos on a pixel fold, only complaints is that the taskbar isn’t editable like it is in stock android, and sometimes it does not enable the inner screen when I unfold it, but only when full screen stuff is open. Close it and it works fine.
Super small nitpicks overall. Everything else works as expected for me.
That is very surprising and promising, thanks for the feedback
For the immediate future, I’ll be all set with GrapheneOS.
Beyond that, I’ll suffer whatever inconveniences I need to in order to avoid this bullshit. If that means I can’t use my banking apps, I’ll find a better bank, or use the web site, or just say “fuck it all” and stop banking on my phone altogether. I’ve already given up NFC payments. It’s not the end of the world.
This will only become a bigger pain in the ass as time goes on, I’m sure, but I will die on this hill. I suggest that everyone draw their lines in the sand sooner rather than later.
this pain in the ass seems to be cyclic with regards to open source things. over the last 30 odd years of my being in the flow of doing my own thing with my own hardware, it seems like we hit peaks and valleys of “company does something frustrating” -> “community sorts it out”. rinse and repeat.
it’ll be bumpy but someone will figure it out and we’ll start the cycle again.
I hope so. There is some apps that I’ve simply grown accustomed to using on a phone and I know will not be supported on a Linux phone
Yep. Me too. I’ll be OK for now with GrapheneOS, and as time goes on I’ll make changes as needed. I’m actually optimistic things will work out before it gets to that point, but if it doesn’t I’m willing to do what I need to. I will die on the hill with you.
The only reason I’m on a Google rom is because I can’t get confirmation that I can cast Netflix to a Chromecast with microG. It’s the only Google ecosystem thing that matters to me. If they try to break my phone then I finally get to get over that hump, no loss. Almost everything in my phone is F-Droid (“side-loaded” is such a loaded phrase)
I’m also hopeful that this move will get struck down given the recent anti competitive practices cases they’ve lost.
i have a degoogled Samsung something running lineageos and was able to easily cast to a friends google tv thing through vlc
Yeah, I’ve got an actual Chromecast, not a Google TV, so I can’t install anything on it. I have enough computers around that buying anything new would be redundant, but nothing works quite like a Chromecast.
i truly don’t know the difference, this guys was a little disk that plugged in hdmi. let me look it up and see if i was a cast. (who knew google had more than one ‘smart tv’ product line)
edit- from what i see, it was a cast
The name is really just branding - Chromecast, Google Cast and Google TV have all been used for radically different Cast Receiver products. The important part though is that my device doesn’t have Android TV installed on it; it doesn’t have Apps and I can’t install VLC on it.
(If you meant VLC was on the mobile device, I believe this is a separate system where you stream from the mobile device to the Cast Receiver thingy. The big value of Chromecast (the standard) is that the mobile device doesn’t do any real work, just tells the Cast Receiver where to look for the stream. If I misunderstand the situation let me know, I’m eternally hopeful)
vlc was from my phone yeah, which is why i was surprisdd jt worked so well and easily
That was a completely different environment. Dont forget who was watching from the balcony at inauguration.