Newer phones generally charge faster, I agree if it’s just a 30W charger most have that already, but my “new” phone charge with 120W, and for some phones the high Watt charging only works with the brands own chargers.

The argument that you can’t have water proof replaceable batteries is silly, and it’s very obviously false, lots of gadgets do that.
Some make similar claims with mini jack, but that too is absolutely possible, for instance Sony has/had that.
It’s the same principle as waterproofing an USB/charging conecter, and AFAIK ALL phones with IP68 rating have USB/Charging ports.

Unfortunately if your IP68 phone has a glass back, that can easily crack, and that will compromise the IP68 feature.
In that way, my IP68 phone was only intact for 4 months. 😱

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Vivo X200 Pro Hands-On 24-Hour Review!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1-LCfuzKrk
What an absolute powerhouse the Dimensity 9400 is, 50% faster overall it seems compared to Snapdragon 8 gen 3.
I seriously doubt that the new Snapdragon can catch up completely with this, but we will see? 😀

Absolutely top tier camera, and 6000 mAh battery.

And it freaking has a flat-front screen 👍 🍺 🎉 . No shitty emulating CRT curves!!!
Only bad thing about this phone (apart from being Chinese) is the stupid glass back. And then you have to put an ugly condom on it, or else it may break from looking at it weirdly. Glass is needless extra weight, needlessly fragile, and needlessly slippery, and will drop out your pocket at the first opportunity it gets.

I’m very curious what will be the price of this when it becomes available in Europe.

Anyone know if this main sensor is better or worse than the 13T Pro? I’m thinking especially for low light conditions.
14T Pro: 50MP Light Fusion 900 ( Omicron OVX9000 ) 1/1.31"
13T Pro: 50MP Sony Exmor IMX707 1/1.28"

The Omicron is slightly smaller.

Edit:
Apparently it’s a VERY GOOD sensor, this review says it puts the iPhone 16 Pro Max ( Ultra Deluxe Super X Plus ) to shame.
Sorry just has a snaps, and those phone names are getting ridiculous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpQFrhd8VXw

Now if only they’d make a quality durable synthetic back instead of the glass garbage, that is the main reason for requiring a case, I might have bought it.
It’s very attractive IMO, Dimensity 9300+ is crazy fast, the screen is top tier, it has lots of storage and the Cameras are probably best in class.
The main point why I like the 13T/14T is the flat front screen, I hate curved screens, it reminds me of CRT monitors, and it’s bad for reflexes and erroneous input.

My 2 biggest beefs with modern high end phones are curved screens, and glass backs. It’s worse than no mini jack and SD slot IMO.

Usually with most brands the $USD is the same as €EUR, and it’s €649,- for the 14T and €799,- for the 14T Pro.
But Xiaomi does not sell their phones in USA, If you find these in USA, it’s 3rd party imports.
So WTF are you even talking about $1000???

IDK, for me the under screen works fine. When I want to use my phone it turns on automatically when I pick it up, and when I touch the sensor area, it’s instantly ready for use, with me holding it the way I want to use it, whether it’s 1 or 2 hand use, or left or right hand.
I don’t normally use the power button, except to turn off the screen when I’m finished using it.

Thanks just installed this on Linux and my phone and it works.
But it’s a bit slow, I only get 3.1 MB/s. USB transfer is way faster.

WTF! That shit shouldn’t be legal.

Vegan leather is not as durable as a normal plastic made for covers. It’s generally made of Mycelium (mylo) the specific Xiaomi vegan leather is made in part of apple peel.
The term Vegan leather is reserved for “sustainable” materials, which means it can be made of reused plastic. But that’s still not as strong as the high end plastic materials that was originally used for premium phones.
If I knew for sure the vegan option for the phone was made of high quality PU, I would have chosen that.

Never heard of the Samsung Xcover 6 Pro, that looks very interesting. But I don’t think it’s a match to the Xiaomi 13T Pro spec wise.

Which is way more than what I need. I just need a phone that doesn’t break from dropping 30 cm once.

If all customers do that, it will break eventually.

so the incentive structure leading to bad behaviour seems less clear to me

Yes that’s true, and problems with it are very rare AFAIK. We know Google is the #1 bad actor already, which is why I avoid a lot of the Google stuff, like search and Chrome.
Companies are generally bad actors to make money, while some claim Chinese phones have political motivated problems.
Considering the current political climate, with China being steadily more confrontational, I will absolutely look more for a phone that is NOT made in China next time.
But for me there was no good alternative to the Xiaomi 13T pro back in January.

I just watched a review to find out, and that says it did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sgeM6DsV40&t=69s

I forget that most people aren’t hardcore privacy nuts

I used to use Android AOSP without Google apps for that reason, I am still observant on privacy, but I don’t see why a one plus should be any better than Xiaomi, or why a random ROM with possible unknown interference should be safer/better regarding privacy.

No I honestly believe the phone should have been able to withstand a drop of 30 cm. This is the only time this phone has slipped out of my pocket, I have never actually dropped it from my hands.
A one time drop of 30 cm, and the phone is broken is 100% a design flaw.
Many people use the case to protect the screen, I have NEVER had problems with scratches on the screen on any phone, including this one.

it survived several falls as you told us.

No the other falls were other phones, that all did fine, and they did not have glass backs. It’s the first time I drop this phone, it’s not something I do regularly as some seem to have misinterpreted what I write as.

I don’t know why people get the idea I run around and drop my phones all the time, and they all somehow endure except this one???

Not ordinary glass, glass that is hyped for its durability.

Very good specs for the price all around, but admittedly there are many other good phones. But for me there is always some minor detail I don’t like.
One Plus has opposing button that causes miss clicks.
Flat screen, many phones have curved screen that makes them less suitable as readers IMO, and can also cause input mistakes.
Some dont have IP68 or an IP rating at all.
Some don’t have good software support, this has 5 years.

I might have sprung the extra dough for the Samsung S24 Ultra, except for the unpleasant sharp corners, and I’m not that enthusiastic about Samsung products in general anymore.

The biggest drawback with Xiaomi used to be the OS, but the new HyperOS is way better than MIUI. Although it looks the same, it somehow has a better feel to it, and they’ve gotten rid of a lot of crap-ware.
Now the biggest drawback IMO is that it’s made in China. Which considering recent political developments I will do more to avoid in the future.

Yes, usually plastic backs have texture, that actually make them quite comfortable to hold IMO. Also the texture can be made so it looks very cool.
Also plastic backs aren’t usually just cheap plastics, they are high quality synthetic materials.
Plastic backs are also both thinner and lighter. Which all in all makes it the way superior material even over aluminium.

Read again, I write I’ve never dropped it out of my hands, meaning I’ve never dropped it more than about the 30 cm, because it’s always from my pocket while sitting down.

Always may sound like it something that happens frequently, but it’s not, it’s maybe 1 or 2 times per year, but over many years with smartphones, a trend still appear.

Yes for now I haven’t noticed any problems with functionality, but that doesn’t change the phone absolutely is broken, It’s ugly now IMO, and the water resistance is compromised, and the body of the phone is compromised so now protection is 100% necessary.

Wow way to misrepresent what I wrote. No I don’t “regularly” drop my phone, But it happens, and when it does it has ALWAYS been from a sitting position sliding out of my pants pocket, making the drop only about 30-45 cm. Most drop tests are done at 1m, and since the damage is exponential to the height, a drop of 30 cm maybe 3 or 4 times in the lifespan of the phone shouldn’t be a problem.

But thanks for the strawman argument.

If you’ve got a glass phone without a case or insurance then you kinda running this risk.

Yes I know, but I’ve never had any problems at all, I’ve never dropped the phone out of my hands, so I considered the risk to be very low. I must admit I’m shocked the phone cracked from such a minor drop.

Once it’s getting towards the end I purposely wreck the phone off a wall and get brand new

That’s fraud.

Edit PS.

Note this is the only time I’ve dropped this phone. When I mention it happens, it’s maybe a couple of times in a year, I’ve never really dropped my phone while holding it, it’s always slipped out of my pocket, it’s happened when I drive, I think it’s first time ever it happened on the terace.

It’s called vegan because it’s made from mushrooms or plants. The vegan option for my Xiaomi 13T pro is allegedly based on apple peel.

Wow I didn’t know that, I agree that sounds like a great idea.

IDK, tests showed that Apple phones broke way easier, so I blame reviewers for disregarding that fact when they reviewed phones with both great feel and looks for appearing or feeling cheap.
The only feeling cheap as I see it, was often lower weight. People associate weight with quality, but reviewers really should know better.

OK I had to look it up, that phone also has a glass back. That’s impressive, I wish I had been as lucky.
My phone should have better glass than that one, but it broke from little more than looking at it wrong.

Wireless charging and contactless payments

I bet both wireless charging and NFC can work through the screen glass.

plastic “feels cheap”.

You know what both “feels cheap” and looks cheap? Answer A bulky case and a broken glass back.

I was pretty happy with mine too, great value. But mine was with flat screen/front glass, I’m a bit reluctant about the curved screens. That’s something we used to curse like the plague on old tube televisions. To bring that shit back is almost as insane as glass back IMO.

Even you:

No I didn’t fall for it, it was absolutely on the negative list, and I’ve avoided glass backs on all my previous phones, but this time I couldn’t, without making heavy compromises in other areas.
Except for the Vegan leather, which is almost guaranteed to become ugly within a year. So I bet on the glass as the lesser of 2 evils.

Good for you for calling them out on their bullshit.

Thanks, I’ve actually done that since 2011.

Just remember, if you fell for this one, you might fall for another marketing gimmick unless you pay more attention.

I didn’t fall for it, it was the least bad option I thought, because otherwise I’d have to compromise on other things.

Doesn’t change the fact that glass back is a design flaw. Yes obviously I should have used a case with this stupid phone, but I didn’t have to with any of my previous phones, 14 years with smartphones with full glass fronts. most of which I’ve had for about 3 years. But they all had plastic/polymer/leather backs. None of them ever broke, because I’m generally careful. If I drop them, it’s from my pants pocket while sitting down, so it’s a low drop, just like it was in this case. Except the phone broke its back because it was made of glass. I have small scratches on my old Motorola for being dropped at the exact same angle, a phone that cost a fourth of my current phone!!!

Yes I suspect so, question is then why the fuck were reviewers so much after the Samsung Galaxy S2 way back in 2011 for having a better polymer back in every way? All tests showed the Galaxy was way more sturdy in drop tests than iPhone, but reviewers scolded it for felling less premium!!!
Already back then it was obvious that using glass was a very bad design choice IMO.

it makes assembly easier,

Easier than plastic?

That’s a bullshit Google result, because my phone doesn’t have wireless charging, and glass backs were used before wireless charging even existed.
Also you can easily have either synthetic like plastic or vegan leather. And my Phone is made with Gorilla glass, and it cracked anyways with a drop of 30cm!
So nothing in that explanation holds water.

My Moto held brilliantly without being ruggedized and without a case. And that’s despite it is big 6.8" screen and relatively heavy with 220 grams.

I’d say it’s absolutely a flaw, to chose a material that is way way worse and yet more expensive.
As I write in my post, with a case, there is zero advantage to the glass back, and you don’t get any premium feel from it.

Yes I really liked my Motorola phone, but I wanted a better camera, and now Motorola uses those IMO shitty curved screens except on a few cheaper models.

Metal often being Aluminum is also great for cooling, and my phone doesn’t even have wireless charging! It’s kind of a “budget” flagship, so some corners were cut. Now one of the corners is a bit smashed too. 😜

Another thing is that now they make “vegan leather” as the new “premium feel”, which of course won’t break like glass, but it still doesn’t have nearly the durability of a decent synthetic/plastic back, which IMO feels great to hold and makes the phone lighter and despite being better it’s cheaper.

With the glass you get extra weight, and with a cover, you get extra bulk and weight on top of that.
It’s drives me nuts how insane this design decision to use glass is! Vegan Leather isn’t that much better, I had the LG G4 with leather back, and it got pretty ugly after a couple of years. But at least that could be easily changed/swapped by the user. And according to every source I can find, vegan leather has lower durability than real leather.