Elon lied about the monkeys — and he shouldn’t be trusted to put his Neuralink chips in human brains.
“They are claiming they are going to put a safe device on the market, and that’s why you should invest,” Ryan Merkley at the Physicians Committee, told Wired. “And we see his lie as a way to whitewash what happened in these exploratory studies.”
Really heartbreaking reading what happened to the monkeys.
People quite rightly think of Elizabeth Holmes as a fraud for making false medical claims about what the Theranos machines could do. So why aren’t Elon’s claims at Neuralink being held to the same level of scrutiny?
Elon is already dreaming up ways to blame his human test subjects for his failures after they die horrifically from infections, brain bleeds, seizures, and psychosis.
@ajsadauskas@TrismegistusMx I’m guessing something like: “The human test subjects were always going to die (eventually), with or without the brain implant”
He buys companies and lets the actually competent people do the work while claiming credit.
No he doesn’t. He meddles and interferes constantly and convinces himself that he’s adding value by doing so. That’s why Neuralink is dangerous. Meta or Alphabet or Microsoft or whoever can be trusted to let the scientists and the legal team ensure there’s very little risk of everything blowing up in their face horribly. Elon’s little empire is constantly on the verge of an absolute disaster. I would not be remotely surprised if Neuralink messes everything up so much that it sets back brain implants and BCI’s in general by decades. Purely because Elon can’t just supply the people at his businesses with the tools they need then get out of their way.
I’m hoping this becomes another Chernobyl type incident where instead of people being against nuclear energy, it’s people against brain implants over the fear of how dangerous they are. At least for the implants that are not made specifically as medical devices that help instead of dumb people down with forced ads and memes.
The government convicted Michael Vick after they found out what happened to his dogs. Same government turning a blind eye to Elon’s monkeys and giving him a green light to experiment on humans. Elon playing through capitalism in god mode RN.
It can be legal to do medical or biological research that is painful, kills the animal, paralyzes the animal, makes it die of cancer, etc.
You need to get the correct permits and approvals and then it’s legal (I once worked in a lab that among other things killed mice and put their brains in a blender … it was legal, but I didn’t last long in bio after that).
There’s no IRB system, there’s no NIH standards, there are no BSL criteria, that permit dogfighting.
I can be aghast at the Neuralink outcomes without feeling sorry for Mike Vick. And I don’t.
I think you get me wrong. I don’t feel sorry for Michael Vick. I just think this is more proof how money infects our regulatory system.
Look at food regulation. I’ve seen regulators shut down and jail independent operations for white glove violations. But look how major suppliers and food chains are treated when their contaminated food sends people to the hospital where some die.
Didn’t we already go through this with Whatsername and her fake blood tests?
Maybe read more than the title before commenting? I know, it’s a novel concept.
People quite rightly think of Elizabeth Holmes as a fraud for making false medical claims about what the Theranos machines could do. So why aren’t Elon’s claims at Neuralink being held to the same level of scrutiny?
@ajsadauskas@autolycos@technology Because he has the most money. Because any who should hold him accountable have their hand in his pocket. Because he has government contracts with every single one of his businesses. He is a monster created by those who are supposed to protect us from the monsters. It is not remotely possible to control him. He is the worst case scenario.
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Elon is already dreaming up ways to blame his human test subjects for his failures after they die horrifically from infections, brain bleeds, seizures, and psychosis.
@ajsadauskas @TrismegistusMx I’m guessing something like: “The human test subjects were always going to die (eventually), with or without the brain implant”
"We were experimenting on the elderly and homeless, so we were statistically bound to lose patients due to their expectant mortality!
I’m starting to get portal 2 vibes here
Let’s not pretend Musk has fucking clue what’s going on or the science behind it.
He isn’t down in trenches making discoveries. That’s just the image he presents.
He buys companies and lets the actually competent people do the work while claiming credit.
He’s been doing it since PayPal.
He’s not a genius, he just has enough money to get actual geniuses to work for him.
No he doesn’t. He meddles and interferes constantly and convinces himself that he’s adding value by doing so. That’s why Neuralink is dangerous. Meta or Alphabet or Microsoft or whoever can be trusted to let the scientists and the legal team ensure there’s very little risk of everything blowing up in their face horribly. Elon’s little empire is constantly on the verge of an absolute disaster. I would not be remotely surprised if Neuralink messes everything up so much that it sets back brain implants and BCI’s in general by decades. Purely because Elon can’t just supply the people at his businesses with the tools they need then get out of their way.
I’m hoping this becomes another Chernobyl type incident where instead of people being against nuclear energy, it’s people against brain implants over the fear of how dangerous they are. At least for the implants that are not made specifically as medical devices that help instead of dumb people down with forced ads and memes.
Someone put it well, if insensitively, about Sam Bankman Fried (FTX etc):
Not actually smart but just LARP-ing the “Aspy genius” persona.
However accurate that take is or offensive, I think it captures something about how nerd culture has gone mainstream and how it’s perceived.
‘nerd’ has disappeared as an insult now that we’re all on the computer all the time
As The Boys lovingly put it so many years ago, “nerds is cool now and jocks is pumping our gas.”
I think that’s pretty romanticised.
Assuming they leave their home town many end up in sales or similar making really good money.
Sometimes he actively interferes with those competent people too.
@Lmaydev @ajsadauskas
Peter Thiel sacked him as a PayPal boss?
He didn’t “invent” Paypal.
It was formed by merging his company X with Confinity. All he did was profit off it but many people seem to think he created it.
LMFAO, I had no idea this wasn’t even the first time he called his dumb company X. He really is obsessed with that letter.
X.com, SpaceX, now changing Twitter to X. Dude has an obsession
Don’t forget his dumbass name for his child.
He was just looking for a reason to use the domain name I’m pretty sure.
To be clear, he did try to make them use his own work instead and it was awful so they pushed him out to protect the company.
The government convicted Michael Vick after they found out what happened to his dogs. Same government turning a blind eye to Elon’s monkeys and giving him a green light to experiment on humans. Elon playing through capitalism in god mode RN.
There’s an explicit law against dogfighting though.
What are you trying to say, law enforcement would take down Elon’s lab if only there were laws against animal abuse?
It can be legal to do medical or biological research that is painful, kills the animal, paralyzes the animal, makes it die of cancer, etc.
You need to get the correct permits and approvals and then it’s legal (I once worked in a lab that among other things killed mice and put their brains in a blender … it was legal, but I didn’t last long in bio after that).
There’s no IRB system, there’s no NIH standards, there are no BSL criteria, that permit dogfighting.
I can be aghast at the Neuralink outcomes without feeling sorry for Mike Vick. And I don’t.
I think you get me wrong. I don’t feel sorry for Michael Vick. I just think this is more proof how money infects our regulatory system.
Look at food regulation. I’ve seen regulators shut down and jail independent operations for white glove violations. But look how major suppliers and food chains are treated when their contaminated food sends people to the hospital where some die.
@ajsadauskas @technology Musk is trash.
Chip Elon and put him through what he put the monkeys through. Same conditions.
nah just fire him into the sun already ✨
Chip him and send him to Mars.
Make him drive to the launchpad in a Model X on full “auto pilot” too
Rename him Xelon Musx
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@ajsadauskas @technology Holmes is female with less support. Musk is rich male with lots of “bros”.
@ajsadauskas @technology
A bombastic dabbler, a monkey Mengele, not a serious scientist.
@ajsadauskas @technology
Didn’t we already go through this with Whatsername and her fake blood tests?
Maybe read more than the title before commenting? I know, it’s a novel concept.
I mean, to answer their question, yes.
I suspect they were well aware of that and were being tongue-in-cheek.
Monke forget.
@ajsadauskas @technology
We should have stopped Dr Evil before he got his phony doctorate.
God is coming
@ajsadauskas @autolycos @technology Because he has the most money. Because any who should hold him accountable have their hand in his pocket. Because he has government contracts with every single one of his businesses. He is a monster created by those who are supposed to protect us from the monsters. It is not remotely possible to control him. He is the worst case scenario.
Elon fanboys should be lining up to try this, right?
Holy shit, please have them sign up in record numbers! This could turn out to be a service to humanity.
Which is why I’m totally okay with it being allowed. If you’re stupid enough to get one then maybe we don’t need you around anymore.
Some, perhaps many will, and without a second thought.
is it possible and or legal to sign up maliciously?
Yeah, the dumbest and worst people will be dying to get this. I don’t see a problem
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