Games like 'Dusk', 'Amid Evil', and 'Into the Pit' are shining examples of a new FPS subgenre: the "boomer shooter" inspired by games like 'Doom' and 'Quake'.
@woelkchen it would be nice if people stopped conflating Gen X with boomers because we want nothing to do with them. If it’s a joke, it’s not funny to me. We dislike boomers as much as every other generation after them. Nobody gives a shit about GenX, I get it, but could you please do us the favor of not conflating us with boomers?
could you please do us the favor of not conflating us with boomers?
I? I did not write the article. I just found it interesting and crossposted it here and I don’t care what others use as a shorthand for fast-paced, pixelated FPS games.
the single most influential person involved in the genre: John Carmack.
Why would an engine developer be responsible game design? Are you confusing the Johns and meant John Romero?
And what would the genre be called then? John-like?
boomers didn’t make the genre, boomers don’t deserve the credit.
Neither did Castlevania in Metroidvania. Metroid founded the genre a decade before Symphony of the Night game out, it’s just that it was called a side-scrolling action adventure. That’s a bit long, though, so a shorthand was needed.
Personally, I would not mind “Retro FPS” but it’s just a label and in the end doesn’t really matter much.
John Romero also isn’t a boomer but the reason I believe Carmack was more influential is because he was the single most important person in overcoming technical challenges that allowed those games to run.
I would personally prefer Doomer shooters given Doom’s influence, especially its cultural influence.
Dude, if you think the game engine designer and programmer had nothing to do with the end result then you’re out of your mind. Romero did some design, play-tested, and wrote some utility applications for game development. He is not the star of Doom by a long shot. There were others, but Carmack was the music maker, the dreamer of the dreams at that company.
You do know that symphony of the night is not the first Castlevania, right? The first Metroid and first Castlevania games both came out in 1986.
Get some culture Van Winkle, you have been asleep for too long.
Dude, if you think the game engine designer and programmer had nothing to do with the end result then you’re out of your mind.
You’re projecting waaaay to much into what I wrote. Carmack did not design the game but obviously the engine is part of the overall package. Reading my statement into saying that he “had nothing to do with the end result” is insane.
You do know that symphony of the night is not the first Castlevania, right? The first Metroid and first Castlevania games both came out in 1986.
Yes, and for a decade Castlevania games were not “Metroidvanias”. That’s why the term makes no sense to be part of the genre but I also don’t throw a tantrum over unimportant things on the internet. Relax.
Get some culture Van Winkle, you have been asleep for too long.
Why are you so angry? I did not attack you or your mom. It’s just about video games. Chill, man.
… man I never made that connection. I thought it was because there was never an explosion smaller than somebodies head. If it doesn’t cause a boom it’s a gun that shouldn’t be in a boomer shooter.
I don’t even think boomers played these when they were popular. At the time they were still way too scared of technology, think flashing 12:00 on the vcr jokes. These games are Gen-x/millennials childhood shooters.
That’s basically reverting back to calling games “DOOM clones”.
Calling something like Amid Evil with its spectacular map architecture a mere Doom clone does it a disservice, though, because Doom closes were basically flat and had 90° walls. Descent and Quake 1 aren’t clones of Doom either.
Nah, Genres being named after the first game that does it is pretty uninspired. It almost makes it sound like players can’t articulate what makes the game interesting.
It’s silly to even bring generations into this or most topics, just another politically driven divider in order to down one group of people and boost another’s ego. In most scenario’s this is the case anyway, yeah silly and childish.
It was ok to use “Boomer” as an euphemism to call someone old, but make it about games that often don’t take themselves seriously and are a throwback to when gaming started to grow massively, and it sucks?
“Admittedly, most boomer shooter fans are likely Gen-Xers and Millennials, but they’re still co-opting the term in a sarcastic but positive way that conveys the old-school nature of this niche genre.”
TLDR: Ignorant statement by ignorant generation. Maybe they could do better with JAVA.
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@woelkchen it would be nice if people stopped conflating Gen X with boomers because we want nothing to do with them. If it’s a joke, it’s not funny to me. We dislike boomers as much as every other generation after them. Nobody gives a shit about GenX, I get it, but could you please do us the favor of not conflating us with boomers?
I? I did not write the article. I just found it interesting and crossposted it here and I don’t care what others use as a shorthand for fast-paced, pixelated FPS games.
I refuse to use “boomer shooter” it’s a dumb moniker that ignores the single most influential person involved in the genre: John Carmack.
He’s not a boomer, boomers didn’t make the genre, boomers don’t deserve the credit.
Why would an engine developer be responsible game design? Are you confusing the Johns and meant John Romero?
And what would the genre be called then? John-like?
Neither did Castlevania in Metroidvania. Metroid founded the genre a decade before Symphony of the Night game out, it’s just that it was called a side-scrolling action adventure. That’s a bit long, though, so a shorthand was needed.
Personally, I would not mind “Retro FPS” but it’s just a label and in the end doesn’t really matter much.
John Romero also isn’t a boomer but the reason I believe Carmack was more influential is because he was the single most important person in overcoming technical challenges that allowed those games to run.
I would personally prefer Doomer shooters given Doom’s influence, especially its cultural influence.
What about…Doom Clones? Full circle there
They’ll always be doom clones to me, up to a point.
Eh it’s got to roll off the tongue if it’s going to stick
Dude, if you think the game engine designer and programmer had nothing to do with the end result then you’re out of your mind. Romero did some design, play-tested, and wrote some utility applications for game development. He is not the star of Doom by a long shot. There were others, but Carmack was the music maker, the dreamer of the dreams at that company.
You do know that symphony of the night is not the first Castlevania, right? The first Metroid and first Castlevania games both came out in 1986.
Get some culture Van Winkle, you have been asleep for too long.
You’re projecting waaaay to much into what I wrote. Carmack did not design the game but obviously the engine is part of the overall package. Reading my statement into saying that he “had nothing to do with the end result” is insane.
Yes, and for a decade Castlevania games were not “Metroidvanias”. That’s why the term makes no sense to be part of the genre but I also don’t throw a tantrum over unimportant things on the internet. Relax.
Why are you so angry? I did not attack you or your mom. It’s just about video games. Chill, man.
“Metroidvania” is a bad term too
It’s a joke.
It caught on because boomer is a synonym for old and a synonym for loud / explosive etc.
Try harder, it hasn’t caught on.
lol
… man I never made that connection. I thought it was because there was never an explosion smaller than somebodies head. If it doesn’t cause a boom it’s a gun that shouldn’t be in a boomer shooter.
I don’t even think boomers played these when they were popular. At the time they were still way too scared of technology, think flashing 12:00 on the vcr jokes. These games are Gen-x/millennials childhood shooters.
My boomer father pirates doom for me as a child.
Agreed. Carmack is Gen X.
Boomer shooter is a moniker to try to be cute with language. Because these shooters go “Boom”.
Fuck that noise. Call it a Classic Doom-like.
That’s basically reverting back to calling games “DOOM clones”.
Still better than boomer shooter
Calling something like Amid Evil with its spectacular map architecture a mere Doom clone does it a disservice, though, because Doom closes were basically flat and had 90° walls. Descent and Quake 1 aren’t clones of Doom either.
Except that other than a few GZDoom-based games, Dusk and such have more in common with Quake than Doom, being fully 3D.
But then the media post won’t be totes edgy and get people to click on it…
Maybe it should be called Doomer Shooter instead
Then you’re catering to the peppers
Nah, Genres being named after the first game that does it is pretty uninspired. It almost makes it sound like players can’t articulate what makes the game interesting.
Too much cod/battlefield crap… People were sick of it and wanted to go back to the good old doom days.
Lots of indie titles did that, then doom 2016 propelled it into the mainstream again which gave the green light for even more games being made.
I love it! My favorite genre
Can we ban the use of the term “boomer-shooter” please?
Lol, boomer shooter…wtf
Wow, no mention of Prodeus
Amazing game
It’s silly to even bring generations into this or most topics, just another politically driven divider in order to down one group of people and boost another’s ego. In most scenario’s this is the case anyway, yeah silly and childish.
Dude it’s just a funny name that rhymes, get over yourself.
I really don’t get the hate over the term.
It was ok to use “Boomer” as an euphemism to call someone old, but make it about games that often don’t take themselves seriously and are a throwback to when gaming started to grow massively, and it sucks?
“Admittedly, most boomer shooter fans are likely Gen-Xers and Millennials, but they’re still co-opting the term in a sarcastic but positive way that conveys the old-school nature of this niche genre.”
TLDR: Ignorant statement by ignorant generation. Maybe they could do better with JAVA.
Java programming language not even based on dem beans WTFolio?