They’re not that consumer hostile most of the time, except those quirky Japanese sensibilities, which there is a lot of but it’s not malicious in intent imo. They are absolutely horrible to anyone who pirates their games, but those are not their customers.
I meant that in legal sense they pirate stuff. Copyright laws being goofy is another thing entirely but Nintendo works in a legal framework where not defending your trademarks means you can lose them.
Nintendo couldn’t pirate their own stuff because they own it. They downloaded ROMs because they can’t be arsed to dump them themselves, similar to 99% of population. Kind of hypocritical with all the DRM related laws that they support but at least they recognise they’re unenforceable.
Ok, then Nintendo benefitted financially from piracy and made no efforts to hide the fact that they obtained games through the exact same methods that pirates use.
I don’t dispute imaginary statistics, there’s no point.
And if that were true, it makes no difference. Nintendo meticulously goes after fan projects and emulators that are completely legal. If they want to go after sites distributing ROMs - totally fair.
Saying Nintendo is only anti-consumer to pirates is a bootlicker take.
Nintendo went against one emulator that was legal, Ryujinx, and I support critiquing Nintendo for this. In other instances they were going after pirates and people infringing on their currently used trademarks and copyrights.
The Yuzu team was profiting from game leaks and piracy, and that’s illegal. Their software was not illegal. Nintendo’s lawsuit was riddled with bullshit claims about circumventing encryption and other made-up offenses, and resulted in the 100% legal development of both Yuzu and Citra being forcefully terminated. The actually just solution would have been to forbid them from monetizing their projects by promising fixes for unreleased software.
Here’s a simple analogy: if you own a 3D printer and sell objects made with that printer, some of which are illegal for whatever reason (e.g. parts for making untraceable firearms), should a court forbid you from ever using a 3D printer ever again, even if it’s to make a kickstand for your tablet, or should it forbid you from making illegal parts only?
Yuzu devs are gone from the scene but the source code is out there. Turns out developing an emulator requires a team of full time employees that you need to fund through Patreon and that’s kinda far beyond a hobby project, no? You’re so anti Nintendo that you started cheering for another company that was outright infringing on their IP by using Nintendo trademarks in their own marketing materials.
Snes9x, no$gba, Higan and literally dozens if not hundreds of other emulators were developed as hobby projects, many of them by a single person in their spare time, so you, sir or madam, are completely full of it. Go fanboy somewhere else and let the grown-ups talk.
Development of a cutting edge emulator takes effort because you can’t brute force your way. It has to be efficient and also incredibly complex (all modern emulators are HAL or API reimplementations by necessity). Those emulators you reference didn’t require commercial amount of funding because they were created by the time emulated hardware was obsolete. It was a nice balance where Nintendo didn’t sue anyone. That is until Yuzu/Citra folks decided to enrich themselves in the process, bring Sauron Nintendo gaze and ruin things for everyone.
Man, I pirate stuff all the time, I just don’t like people making up things to explain themselves, especially if I know they can afford stuff they pirate.
Yes, if it’s old or you can’t afford it then just get it. Copyright, trademark and patent laws are a joke and it’s a sensible way to revolt over them.
Latest Nintendo dealings with Switch emulation give me mixed feelings. Yuzu was obviously benefitting monetarily (Patreon) from encouraging piracy (showing games before their release). Fuck those guys. Nintendo shouldn’t have gone after Ryujinx though and I’m quite angry about it.
Sure, but my biggest problem with them is how expensive their games are and how they never go on sale. $70 was already pushing it, but now they might be asking $90 for physical game cards. Screw that.
They don’t go on sale because Nintendo games are not disposable like n-th instalment of Call of Duty or NFL.
They sell gameplay and not graphics and that’s timeless. If it was worthless people wouldn’t be so angry with them for going after emulators. There are also no games over $80 announced and this time digital copies are cheaper while still shareable (although no reselling).
They sell gameplay and not graphics and that’s timeless.
No, they keep rehashing the same like 4 IPs over and over, feeding off the nostalgia kick people get out of their favorite childhood video game releasing on a modern console
don’t make up nonsense to justify their anti-consumer practices. their games aren’t magic made from gold.
its software. just like every other game. and I can think of a thousand games off the top of my head with amazing “gameplay and graphics that’s timeless.”
N64 games regularly cost in the range of $60 to $80 in the mid 90s. In today’s dollars, games would need to be double that to match the same cost. Just because the price goes up a little in the last 10 years, doesn’t change the fact that games are at a historic low cost. There are reasons to be upset about how far (or not) your hard earned dollars can go today, but video game prices are not one of them, objectively.
The cartridges themselves make up for the price difference. Don’t equate the physical cost of n64 cartridges versus the completely trivial cost of distributing software now.
Ok, then don’t play them. Why are commenting on this again? This is some autistic „stop liking things I don’t like” shit, grow up.
Nintendo makes unique hardware and games. It’s a consequence of philosophy that drives this company. There are good and bad things about it but explaining things as they are is not their defence. I’m not defending it because at the root of things all of this is consequence of capitalism and getting angry over this would be like getting angry over rain. My way of dealing with this is joining a socialist party and contributing to my surrounding environment, not ragging about Nintendo, who despite their faults are one of a kind.
you accused me of being “autistic” which… I’m not sure if that’s meant to be an insult?
and then immediately follow that with “grow up.” fascinating.
anyway, the hardware nor the software nintendo sells aren’t unique in the slightest. and most of the nintendo branded software on the switch 2 won’t be new nintendo IP. Mostly older ip… that they’ll charge you for if you’d like to use the new fancy 120fps and graphics!
the games you already own. for switch. you get to give them more money. on top of the 70-80 you already payed for the game.
=)
and the rest of the content on the switch 2 is stuff everyone with a next gen console has had for a while now. hell even lower end handheld PCs are already around and cheaper than what nintendo wants. and the games are cheaper because they go on real sales. nintendo doesn’t really know how to do those.
Nintendo used to make unique hardware. The Wii, Wii U, DS, 3DS and even the Virtual Boy innovated and brought something to the table that nobody else was offering. Even the Switch’s erasure of the handheld/console divide was unique. This Switch 2, though? It’s a Switch on steroids. This is the same uncreative shit that Sony and Microsoft have been doing, just an iteration on their previous offering.
Nintendo’s innovations have purchased it a lot of good will from consumers. When the innovations stop, expect the good will to follow suit. That’s only natural.
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They’re not that consumer hostile most of the time, except those quirky Japanese sensibilities, which there is a lot of but it’s not malicious in intent imo. They are absolutely horrible to anyone who pirates their games, but those are not their customers.
Emulation is not piracy. Don’t drink the Nintendo kool-aid.
100% agree. Also 99% emulator users pirate games or do you dispute this part too?
They pirate THEIR OWN GAMES and emulate them using software other people made! No excuse!
How can Nintendo pirate a thing they own?
Do you mean pirating games that are still for sale? Because plenty of emulator users only pirate old stuff that isn’t currently for sale.
I meant that in legal sense they pirate stuff. Copyright laws being goofy is another thing entirely but Nintendo works in a legal framework where not defending your trademarks means you can lose them.
It’s probably almost nearly 100% of emulator users who pirate games.
Even Nintendo pirated their own games before releasing them on the Wii’s Virtual Console.
Nintendo couldn’t pirate their own stuff because they own it. They downloaded ROMs because they can’t be arsed to dump them themselves, similar to 99% of population. Kind of hypocritical with all the DRM related laws that they support but at least they recognise they’re unenforceable.
Ok, then Nintendo benefitted financially from piracy and made no efforts to hide the fact that they obtained games through the exact same methods that pirates use.
I don’t dispute imaginary statistics, there’s no point.
And if that were true, it makes no difference. Nintendo meticulously goes after fan projects and emulators that are completely legal. If they want to go after sites distributing ROMs - totally fair.
Saying Nintendo is only anti-consumer to pirates is a bootlicker take.
Nintendo went against one emulator that was legal, Ryujinx, and I support critiquing Nintendo for this. In other instances they were going after pirates and people infringing on their currently used trademarks and copyrights.
You are completely wrong.
The Yuzu team was profiting from game leaks and piracy, and that’s illegal. Their software was not illegal. Nintendo’s lawsuit was riddled with bullshit claims about circumventing encryption and other made-up offenses, and resulted in the 100% legal development of both Yuzu and Citra being forcefully terminated. The actually just solution would have been to forbid them from monetizing their projects by promising fixes for unreleased software.
Here’s a simple analogy: if you own a 3D printer and sell objects made with that printer, some of which are illegal for whatever reason (e.g. parts for making untraceable firearms), should a court forbid you from ever using a 3D printer ever again, even if it’s to make a kickstand for your tablet, or should it forbid you from making illegal parts only?
Yuzu devs are gone from the scene but the source code is out there. Turns out developing an emulator requires a team of full time employees that you need to fund through Patreon and that’s kinda far beyond a hobby project, no? You’re so anti Nintendo that you started cheering for another company that was outright infringing on their IP by using Nintendo trademarks in their own marketing materials.
Snes9x, no$gba, Higan and literally dozens if not hundreds of other emulators were developed as hobby projects, many of them by a single person in their spare time, so you, sir or madam, are completely full of it. Go fanboy somewhere else and let the grown-ups talk.
I’m fairly certain you missed the point.
Development of a cutting edge emulator takes effort because you can’t brute force your way. It has to be efficient and also incredibly complex (all modern emulators are HAL or API reimplementations by necessity). Those emulators you reference didn’t require commercial amount of funding because they were created by the time emulated hardware was obsolete. It was a nice balance where Nintendo didn’t sue anyone. That is until Yuzu/Citra folks decided to enrich themselves in the process, bring
SauronNintendo gaze and ruin things for everyone.Eh, I would suspect that a majority of games “pirated” are game you can’t buy anymore (ot at least not realistically).
Also is it pirating if I can’t find my copy of the game anymore?
Man, I pirate stuff all the time, I just don’t like people making up things to explain themselves, especially if I know they can afford stuff they pirate.
Yes, if it’s old or you can’t afford it then just get it. Copyright, trademark and patent laws are a joke and it’s a sensible way to revolt over them.
Latest Nintendo dealings with Switch emulation give me mixed feelings. Yuzu was obviously benefitting monetarily (Patreon) from encouraging piracy (showing games before their release). Fuck those guys. Nintendo shouldn’t have gone after Ryujinx though and I’m quite angry about it.
Sure, but my biggest problem with them is how expensive their games are and how they never go on sale. $70 was already pushing it, but now they might be asking $90 for physical game cards. Screw that.
They don’t go on sale because Nintendo games are not disposable like n-th instalment of Call of Duty or NFL.
They sell gameplay and not graphics and that’s timeless. If it was worthless people wouldn’t be so angry with them for going after emulators. There are also no games over $80 announced and this time digital copies are cheaper while still shareable (although no reselling).
No, they keep rehashing the same like 4 IPs over and over, feeding off the nostalgia kick people get out of their favorite childhood video game releasing on a modern console
Tell me you don’t play Nintendo games without playing Nintendo games.
don’t make up nonsense to justify their anti-consumer practices. their games aren’t magic made from gold.
its software. just like every other game. and I can think of a thousand games off the top of my head with amazing “gameplay and graphics that’s timeless.”
none of which are 70 dollars or more.
stop defending this shit.
N64 games regularly cost in the range of $60 to $80 in the mid 90s. In today’s dollars, games would need to be double that to match the same cost. Just because the price goes up a little in the last 10 years, doesn’t change the fact that games are at a historic low cost. There are reasons to be upset about how far (or not) your hard earned dollars can go today, but video game prices are not one of them, objectively.
The cartridges themselves make up for the price difference. Don’t equate the physical cost of n64 cartridges versus the completely trivial cost of distributing software now.
Ok, then don’t play them. Why are commenting on this again? This is some autistic „stop liking things I don’t like” shit, grow up.
Nintendo makes unique hardware and games. It’s a consequence of philosophy that drives this company. There are good and bad things about it but explaining things as they are is not their defence. I’m not defending it because at the root of things all of this is consequence of capitalism and getting angry over this would be like getting angry over rain. My way of dealing with this is joining a socialist party and contributing to my surrounding environment, not ragging about Nintendo, who despite their faults are one of a kind.
you accused me of being “autistic” which… I’m not sure if that’s meant to be an insult?
and then immediately follow that with “grow up.” fascinating.
anyway, the hardware nor the software nintendo sells aren’t unique in the slightest. and most of the nintendo branded software on the switch 2 won’t be new nintendo IP. Mostly older ip… that they’ll charge you for if you’d like to use the new fancy 120fps and graphics!
the games you already own. for switch. you get to give them more money. on top of the 70-80 you already payed for the game.
=)
and the rest of the content on the switch 2 is stuff everyone with a next gen console has had for a while now. hell even lower end handheld PCs are already around and cheaper than what nintendo wants. and the games are cheaper because they go on real sales. nintendo doesn’t really know how to do those.
but I dearly hope you enjoy.
I accused you of autistic-like behaviour, there’s nothing fascinating about it because it’s so common amongst immature gamers.
Nintendo used to make unique hardware. The Wii, Wii U, DS, 3DS and even the Virtual Boy innovated and brought something to the table that nobody else was offering. Even the Switch’s erasure of the handheld/console divide was unique. This Switch 2, though? It’s a Switch on steroids. This is the same uncreative shit that Sony and Microsoft have been doing, just an iteration on their previous offering.
Nintendo’s innovations have purchased it a lot of good will from consumers. When the innovations stop, expect the good will to follow suit. That’s only natural.