Paying forever is not a better deal than paying the price of a few months of use and then having it for years. Maybe a business can justify that, but for a hobby? No way.
Maybe a business can justify that, but for a hobby? No way.
Hobbyists CAN and DO get the $10/mo plan. It’s cheaper than most streaming services and if it’s a part of your workflow (as a hobby photographer, for example) then $10/month for a constantly updated software is a good deal.
Like if you don’t value photoshop at $10/month that’s okay but A LOT of people do.
Paying forever is not a better deal
I just ran into the not forever issue when I had to re-buy Affinity photo to get the newest version.
Yeh, I use 4 applications from Adobe in very limited amounts. I wish they did a pay as you use subscription! If you use them all every day it’s cheap, but I maybe use them about 10-15 hours per month at the most.
Traditional I would be working on a freelance basis with companies and teams that would only use adobe, and wanted files in those formats. Though as I’m doing more and more of work just for myself the alternatives are getting more tempting.
Because it’s aimed at photographers who raised a huge stink in the first place (I was one of them).
You don’t have to use it in the cloud too, all my camera photos are sitting in my drives, none of them have been uploaded to Adobe’s servers.
PS and LR at this price is cheaper than the perpetual licenses if I upgraded every other cycle, so it’s been cheaper for me. Of course there’s still cheaper alternatives for PS now (Affinity Photo is really good), but since I still use LR a lot and the cost is bearable, I stay on it.
No, it’s still US$10 for me for both. I wonder if it’s a regional thing, or Adobe are being sneaky bastards and hiding the cheaper version of the plan somewhere.
Workflow just wasn’t as good, it didn’t have a lot of the little features (search was definitely not as nice to use), and as a Nikon shooter back then, it never nailed the Nikon colours the way I wanted without very heavy post-processing, which was time I didn’t want to spend.
It’s not. It’s miserable to actually use. It’s miserable to manage in a production setting. It’s just not acceptable unless you’re working for yourself.
I’d recommend Photopea for casual use that’s not miserable to use. It’s in browser only and is basically a photoshop clone with slightly less features, but it’s amazingly close to Photoshop when I need it to be, even with things like using a pen or a really specific option menu.
It does generate it’s revenue via banner ads but I’ve never seen them with my adblock, if I’m needing to quickly whip something up and utilise my Photoshop familiarity, it’s my go to.
Yeah…no. It’s objectively worse in many ways. Student on a budget? Hobbyist? Gimp will get the job done…but then again so will Pixlr 99% of the time. It’s gotta get a whole lot better before production houses seriously consider switching.
Gimp was competition for Photoshop some 25 years ago. Photoshop has improved a lot since those days, Gimp hasn’t. Gimp isn’t even the best graphics app in the Free Software space anymore.
I have used gimp over the past about 15 years, photoshop & Corel suite past 10 & 4 years ago as well. Gimp is not photoshop anyone who has used it, understands that it’s a different product and frankly it does not matter. It’s very capable where it matters and the net result is it costs nothing. No rent charging for nice but not necessary features for myself.
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But… photoshop is very expensive
I mean I hate Adobe as much as the next guy but photoshop is like $10/month
Americans will talk of $10 a month like it’s chump change. It’s more expensive than my water bill.
Now add every other tool that decides to take the same approach.
$10 is also more expensive than my water bill in the US*. I purposely have as few subscriptions as possible.
*other utility bills are higher though, like sewer capacity, which is $17/mo.
If you’re using photoshop in a business or hobby capacity, $10/month is a fairly good deal.
I personally use Affinity Photo but I’m not going to pretend that it has feature parity with photoshop.
Paying forever is not a better deal than paying the price of a few months of use and then having it for years. Maybe a business can justify that, but for a hobby? No way.
Hobbyists CAN and DO get the $10/mo plan. It’s cheaper than most streaming services and if it’s a part of your workflow (as a hobby photographer, for example) then $10/month for a constantly updated software is a good deal.
Like if you don’t value photoshop at $10/month that’s okay but A LOT of people do.
I just ran into the not forever issue when I had to re-buy Affinity photo to get the newest version.
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I have the $10 plan.
Yeh, I use 4 applications from Adobe in very limited amounts. I wish they did a pay as you use subscription! If you use them all every day it’s cheap, but I maybe use them about 10-15 hours per month at the most.
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Traditional I would be working on a freelance basis with companies and teams that would only use adobe, and wanted files in those formats. Though as I’m doing more and more of work just for myself the alternatives are getting more tempting.
Photography plan should still be US$10 for both PS and LR.
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Eh, would you prefer that to be US$20 each instead? Why are you ideologically opposed to something when there are benefits?
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Because it’s aimed at photographers who raised a huge stink in the first place (I was one of them).
You don’t have to use it in the cloud too, all my camera photos are sitting in my drives, none of them have been uploaded to Adobe’s servers.
PS and LR at this price is cheaper than the perpetual licenses if I upgraded every other cycle, so it’s been cheaper for me. Of course there’s still cheaper alternatives for PS now (Affinity Photo is really good), but since I still use LR a lot and the cost is bearable, I stay on it.
That’s not what I see.
Look harder
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Ah, I see, you’re on “All”, on the left tab. Hit the “Photo” and you should see it. They’re really hiding the cheaper option now!
I think they were saying $10 per software.
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No, it’s still US$10 for me for both. I wonder if it’s a regional thing, or Adobe are being sneaky bastards and hiding the cheaper version of the plan somewhere.
It’s 100% regional. After you mentioned it, I dug this up:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/2/18526985/adobe-creative-cloud-lightroom-photoshop-plan-price-hike
It will eventually come to everyone.
Seriously, using a 4 year old article to justify your stance?
Affinity Photo is $60 once and you own it forever, with free updates. It’s pretty much the only actually good Photoshop replacement.
Photopea is free and in browser as well
Being a browser app is not a plus imo. I’ll take a snappy native app over easy portability every day.
Yep I use and love affinity photo. It works well for my needs.
They need to do a LR replacement, then I’ll just switch to Affinity.
Darktable is an excellent replacement
I’ll try it again, but several years ago when I tried it I didn’t find it as good.
There have been a few changes, but it is mostly the same I think.
Out of interest, what wasn’t as good?
Workflow just wasn’t as good, it didn’t have a lot of the little features (search was definitely not as nice to use), and as a Nikon shooter back then, it never nailed the Nikon colours the way I wanted without very heavy post-processing, which was time I didn’t want to spend.
Free minor updates. And if you buy it a month before a major version update, you get nothing. Ask me how I know :/.
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GIMP is free and also doubles as a way to express just how much I hate myself!
Gimp
This is the way
I would rather stab myself in the eyeballs than use GIMP. It’s never the way and never will be.
It’s not. It’s miserable to actually use. It’s miserable to manage in a production setting. It’s just not acceptable unless you’re working for yourself.
I’d recommend Photopea for casual use that’s not miserable to use. It’s in browser only and is basically a photoshop clone with slightly less features, but it’s amazingly close to Photoshop when I need it to be, even with things like using a pen or a really specific option menu.
It does generate it’s revenue via banner ads but I’ve never seen them with my adblock, if I’m needing to quickly whip something up and utilise my Photoshop familiarity, it’s my go to.
Do whatever you want on your own time 🙂
I use Photopea too for basic editing, but it certainly wouldn’t be good in a professional environment.
“oh no I have to learn something new 😭😭😭😭”
It’s easy, real easy in a production setting. Different is not hard.
Publishing to other formats and opening more formats are an absolute strength!
Yeah…no. It’s objectively worse in many ways. Student on a budget? Hobbyist? Gimp will get the job done…but then again so will Pixlr 99% of the time. It’s gotta get a whole lot better before production houses seriously consider switching.
I’d also like to add Photopea to the list. Gimp has plenty of competition that have pulled themselves up in a shorter amount of time.
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Bud you’re flat out wrong here.
Gimp was competition for Photoshop some 25 years ago. Photoshop has improved a lot since those days, Gimp hasn’t. Gimp isn’t even the best graphics app in the Free Software space anymore.
I have used gimp over the past about 15 years, photoshop & Corel suite past 10 & 4 years ago as well. Gimp is not photoshop anyone who has used it, understands that it’s a different product and frankly it does not matter. It’s very capable where it matters and the net result is it costs nothing. No rent charging for nice but not necessary features for myself.
It could be worse. They could have looked towards Autodesk for inspiration.
They did, tim epic just said in the article they looked to service like Photoshop and Maya