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It can be done well either way. If its a premium purchased game eventually it will make more sense financially for them to release a sequel, and the player base will move on. With F2P (If its done well) the games longevity is limited solely by wether or not it keeps making money.
If we’re looking at it pessimistically the industry seems to be moving towards buying a premium AAA title, being charged appropriately, being coerced into buying a season pass to play online and then still being harassed with microtransactions.
If its FTP and all mechanics beyond cosmetics can be accessed with grinding (skate-pun… nice) rather than passes and subscriptions then a great many people need to STFU.
Mechwarrior Online is FTP and Online only, has been since 2013 when it was released, still has players, still gets updates and still makes money without p2w shenanigans. Ive got 3600 hours logged, I still play regularly. Sometimes I buy some shit in game because I’m a grownup with disposable income and 3600 hours worth of entertainment is worth a few bucks.
“We’re releasing a free to play MMO”
“I WONT GIVE YOU A CENT!”
“Yeah we said its free”
“WHY IS IT ALWAYS ONLINE!?!”
“Its an MMO so yeah, thats how they work”
“YOU CAN JUST TURN OFF THE SERVERS!”
“Yes, Free MMOs tend to work like that!”
“I WONT BUY ANY MICROTRANSACTIONS!”
“Ok”
“I WONT PLAY IT!”
“Ok”
“WHY ARENT YOU MAD THAT I’M MAD!?!”
I think you’re definitely right about the adoption speed, people wont be dumping their switches en masse to buy a 2.
The Deck definitely puts a dent in their sales but “i DoNt gEt wHy aNyOnE wOuld bUy a sWitCh” comments on Lemmy show just how skewed the demographics are on here. Its not aimed at us.
This is what cracks me up about this topic literally every time it comes up.
Everyone on highly tech savvy and linux loving lemmy not being able to wrap their heads around the idea that busy parents dont want to have to tech support their kids game console. They want to be able to tell Grandma “He has a switch 2 and wants the new pokemon game for his birthday”, they want to walk into stores and buy accessories that WILL fit and they dont want microtransaction laden shit. One of the FEW things I still respect about Nintendo is that their AAA in house releases are FULL games (for the price, they would fucking want to be).
The 6 to 12yo market alone is probably enough to make the switch worthwhile from a business perspective. The “just tech savvy enough to work facebook” crowd adds in the profit margins.
Its not just Japan.
Squid game, Money heist, Furies and a few other things Ive watched just on Netflix in the last few years just hit differently. Hollywood just has too many formulas that become obvious once you notice them, too many investors and networks wanting a safe ROI as opposed to pure creativity. Even the brits are a bit more willing to put “unconventionally attractive” people in leading roles and write things a bit dryer and grittier than a lot of American productions.
Something about stuff not coming through that system just feels different.
20 million divided by 1.7 is about $11 per person, which isnt really that high.
I also think theres a distinction to be made between microtransactions in f2p titles and microtransactions in AAA premium titles. I logged something like 4000 hours in Mechwarrior online and I bought mech packs because I wanted to support the devs.
Not too long after it came out I was good at Siege and I mean good I was ranked in the top 1000 players and I thought that was pretty badass. I got a DM from some guy who was like “Hey I’m from TEAM and we wanted to know if you wanted to try out for our Siege squad?” I said thanks but no thanks, I have a mortgage and a full time and then some job. I dont want to take on the obligation.
I then went and googled the team, I was being courted by serious professional players. I still decided I didnt want that headache but as someone who has always been an underachiever it was like an IRL achievement popup or a level up notification. Like… look what I can achieve when I actually give a fuck and put the work in.
I put wheels on my car which are a cheap copy of a very popular wheel because they were $500 not $2000 and I dont race. Every car meet someone has to comment that Im running “fakes” and try to give me a hard time about it. Yeah, Ive got a mortgage and a kid. Fuck off with your Supreme snapback ass hypebeast bullshit. I’m building the car I can afford.
People are toxic, even communities who preach peace and love as their doctrine have people who will whip out the moral-cock ruler and start shit over who is more peaceful and loving.
Because Nintendo games on Nintendo handhelds almost never go wrong and you know what parents love? Their kids shit always just working. You dont have to check the system specs, you buy the game at the store and it WORKS. You wrap the game under a tree at Xmas, you can tell grandma “Nintendo Switch” and while she might pick something shit, its going to work.
Lemmings love to act like they are enlightened for figuring out the Steam deck is better… its not for you. Its for 5 to 10 year olds.
They do damn near 10/10 work when they give a fuck, Thats probably the worst part.
Siege was damn near perfect as a tactical competitive shooter for the first few years. The Division was great, Just Cause was enormous fun and so on.
The problem is they hit a winner, and then milk it and milk it and milk it until we hate it or them.
In fairness to the guy, IMO a lot of their lesser known stuff is lesser known for a reason. Its filler, its not bad its just not very good. And compared to their best work, its a turd in a punchbowl.
But to compare yourself to “The Beatles” of your industry is very close to the height of arrogance. I mean, I loved the Borderlands games, Gearbox might be selling out shows but they arent filling arenas.
A lot of people will still parrot the launch criticisms at you and refuse to acknowledge that they pretty well fixed it. The devs overpromised and underdelivered, even now its not quite what they promised. But if they had dropped what the game is now on release it would be pretty universally regarded as one of the best games of all time.
I have to set up my pc for dual boot, choose a distro, install it, get it to work if theres any issues, then sort out whats different then try and install all my apps and games to figure out what does and doesnt work from those.
Its not that I dislike Linux or have anything against it but Ive been running Windows since 1996, I know how to do things already. I just want MS to just stop being “helpful” and fuck off. The quest for ongoing revenue means that is unlikely though.
I might give Linux a try when my daughter is a bit older and I have some free time. I like the IDEA of it, but I know Windows now and already.
I dont want to have to use what limited spare time I have to learn how to use Linux, I dont have the time its that simple. I have a pc, it just WORKS. Literally everything I want to do just works. I just want to have the start menu do exactly what I want, stop recommending me onedrive, stop showing me advertisements in outlook and stop giving us privacy invading features nobody wants.
I dont know that for certain. Just saying theres revenue streams that a F2P game can leverage if they can get the player count high enough, Its something Id tollerate from a good enough F2P game especially if its done well, Skate culture has always had certain brands associated with it so it COULD be done organically.