As long as it’s opt-in then there are also huge benefits. Updates would happen organically, less issues with driver support for your specific manufacturer, laptops would become even thinner and lighter, you could run windows on virtually (lol) anything and they could even sell tiered hardware so that you could game in the cloud (this tech is getting better and better). I love my Shadow PC for gaming and other nonsense, being able to play modern games with maxed out graphics on my fan-less MacBook Air is a dream.
I also work in IT and there are so many bullshit companies offering cloud based services that run specific software in the cloud, RightNetworks being one of them, but one thing I like is it’s almost completely hands off on my end and if the whole OS is running in the cloud then it would be cake for provisioning and remote management.
So if I don’t have an internet connection, I can’t even boot my computer?
While I personally hate this Idea as well, I have to admit, that there could certainly be rather significant upsides for users.
Cheap Chromebook-like Laptops, but can run Video Games, Video Encodings, Finite Element Analyses, Computational Fluid Dynamics etc no problem. “Your” PC can be accessible from your phone in a Pinch.
You open a weird Link and got a Virus? No problem, just roll back your “PC”
Your home floods/burns down? All the images from your children are still safe.
Never being bothered by needing a hardware upgrade.
Being able to run video games or other hardware intensive process would either require pricey hardware or they’d be streamed from a cloud service (which comes with a whole other bundle of issues to consider) as that computational power has to come from something physical somewhere. Offloading your OS to the cloud wouldn’t affect that.
PCs can already be accessed by phone if you have the right set up (dedicated IP hosting and a VPN)
As for saving data in case of emergencies, we already have cloud based storage solutions that wouldn’t be impacted by cloud based OS.
There is 0 reason to use a cloud based OS other than making sure people are tied to your service for the life of their computer.
This feels like a solution to a problem no one has.
I believe the poster above you was referring to full cloud-hosted Virtual Desktops, not just cloud-hosted OS. The former would make a lot more sense and would indeed allow for need-based scaling of resources without any expensive local hardware. I think this is the future of the common man’s computing experience - a nice monitor that also functions as a thin client to access web-hosted virtual desktops.
Yup, that was what I understood it to be, I’ll admit to just skimming the article, but it seemed rather directly that?
Windows 365 is a service that streams a full version of Windows to devices. So far, it’s been limited to just commercial customers, but Microsoft has been deeply integrating it into Windows 11 already. A future update will include Windows 365 Boot, which will enable Windows 11 devices to log directly in to a Cloud PC instance at boot instead of the local version of Windows. Windows 365 Switch is also built into Windows 11 to integrate Cloud PCs into the Task View (virtual desktops) feature.
It’s the Adobe model though. It’ll seem attractive to start with compared to upgrading every few years, but soon enough you’ll be paying out the nose for it.
I hope that gaming on linux then is as seamless as it is on windows today. Because the rest of the things that I do with my PC are already equal, but gaming is the big reason I still use windows.
Don’t know what games you are playing, but I game myself quite heavily and doing it exclusively on Linux. Steam proton has changed a lot of things for Linux gaming. Only issues are with anti cheat. So if you are playing single player you are good to go. Multiplayer can be difficult, it depends on the game. I have 200 hours on Apex in Linux.
I switched back to windows for gaming because NVidia drivers are terrible and I had so many issues with many game that no amount of googling and debugging could fix. Linux also doesn’t have HDR support yet (it’s in the work though)
I really prefer Linux, but I had so many non trivial issues. I know this isn’t the same experience for everyone, but considering I do gaming 95% of the time on my personal PC, I got fed up of hitting a wall for the games I wanted to play.
I will buy an AMD gpu when I will switch so that hopefully the open sourced drivers will fix my issues.
Yeah, anti-cheat/multiplayer is the biggest hurdle to go for linux gaming, as well as VR. They’re the two things that continue to hold my kids in Windows, for now. I hope that someday they’re remedied and I can move them into Linux systems for gaming, but for now, it’s just not realistic, sadly.
Steam has that on lock right now. No, it’s not perfect, but for most games it’s pretty much seamless.
There are some cases where Windows is better - mod management tools are better on Windows, for instance. Anything you have outside of Steam might need another app like Lutris (or Heroic, which is great for GOG btw). And that’s not mentioning malware under the guise of “anti-cheat”.
I’ve been trying out linux gaming annually. With the steam deck out it proton has become super good. I think my gaming pc is finally going to stay on linux this time around. Oh anti cheat has support now too. Just got done playing a few round of halo mcc.
I know I’m one of the few, but what I like about a PC is the Computing part, but also the Personal part. I can use this apparatus to automate some calculations in my own free time and display it however I want. Sure things can be outsourced. Sure I can use a cloud computer. But that’s no fun for me.
I had notebooks where I turned off WiFi and all its services, I had a desktop PC where the network card fried. Those were the most stable and fastest Windows installations I ever had. Running for years on end without ever needing a reboot.
Windows Terminal-mode, it sure may have its place. But not for me.
I don’t get it, what’s the benefit of this? Why would your average joe want to use a cloud instance instead of running Windows locally? How does Microsoft benefit from this?
Microsoft gets to sell the sizzle, not the steak. They also have all your data since the OS is running on their computer, not yours. I guess this will make Windows a web app, working like NextCloud only on their machines.
I’m sure there’s some VP execs that will want to “reduce maintenance burden” and will force a partial migration to the cloud before they pick up their next bonus check.
Subscriptions! And “Don’t sell the bacon, sell the sizzle” You get to pay for every minute you use ‘your’ computer. If they do this I expect the hardware will be free, but you pay $32.50 a month for normal usage and $50.99 for any compute minutes requiring extra CPU or GPU (including ChatGPT or any AAA game).
On the upside - perhaps there would be an easy way to switch between VMs and do multiple things at once. Also, your disk space is unlimited but priced per Gb.
Of course, how else will they pay for storage of your data? This part already started with OneDrive. Now you’ll buy a new laptop for $100, the thinnest laptop you’ve ever seen, it will just come with a 128GB m.1 drive soldered to the board, and you’ll run (and save) everything from Microsoft’s servers.
That’s exactly the argument they and their bootlickers will use too. “we need it to run infrastructure!!!” they wouldnt have to run infrastructure if they didnt gut features from their products. Like the whole Toyota remote start subscription crap. “They need the subscription to run the servers so you can start your car from anywhere” but you can no longer use classic radio remote start which doesn’t require servers
That’s exactly the argument they and their bootlickers will use too. “we need it to run infrastructure!!!” they wouldnt have to run infrastructure if they didnt gut features from their products. Like the whole Toyota remote start subscription crap. “They need the subscription to run the servers so you can start your car from anywhere” but you can no longer use classic radio remote start which doesn’t require servers
I wish Linux was an option for me, but Adobe software is what has me stuck, and there’s no Steam pushing for that to be properly supported… And migrating my Lightroom catalog to another software would be an absolute nightmare.
I knew they were planning on removing all local control at some point. By the end of this users will propably have to call ms support/something equivalent to that, to do anything that requires admin rights.
I guess I should be thankful to microsoft for steeling my resolve to not use any windows beyond 10.
No, no – they want to get you to pay for your hardware, mandatory, big network transfers, and cloud resources. None of which are exactly powered by unicorn farts.
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So if I don’t have an internet connection, I can’t even boot my computer?
Big “you’ll own nothing and be happy” energy.
As long as it’s opt-in then there are also huge benefits. Updates would happen organically, less issues with driver support for your specific manufacturer, laptops would become even thinner and lighter, you could run windows on virtually (lol) anything and they could even sell tiered hardware so that you could game in the cloud (this tech is getting better and better). I love my Shadow PC for gaming and other nonsense, being able to play modern games with maxed out graphics on my fan-less MacBook Air is a dream.
I also work in IT and there are so many bullshit companies offering cloud based services that run specific software in the cloud, RightNetworks being one of them, but one thing I like is it’s almost completely hands off on my end and if the whole OS is running in the cloud then it would be cake for provisioning and remote management.
While I personally hate this Idea as well, I have to admit, that there could certainly be rather significant upsides for users.
Cheap Chromebook-like Laptops, but can run Video Games, Video Encodings, Finite Element Analyses, Computational Fluid Dynamics etc no problem. “Your” PC can be accessible from your phone in a Pinch.
You open a weird Link and got a Virus? No problem, just roll back your “PC”
Your home floods/burns down? All the images from your children are still safe.
Never being bothered by needing a hardware upgrade.
All for the low low price of…your freedom, privacy, security, and consumer rights.
MS can kiss my piss.
Being able to run video games or other hardware intensive process would either require pricey hardware or they’d be streamed from a cloud service (which comes with a whole other bundle of issues to consider) as that computational power has to come from something physical somewhere. Offloading your OS to the cloud wouldn’t affect that. PCs can already be accessed by phone if you have the right set up (dedicated IP hosting and a VPN) As for saving data in case of emergencies, we already have cloud based storage solutions that wouldn’t be impacted by cloud based OS.
There is 0 reason to use a cloud based OS other than making sure people are tied to your service for the life of their computer. This feels like a solution to a problem no one has.
I believe the poster above you was referring to full cloud-hosted Virtual Desktops, not just cloud-hosted OS. The former would make a lot more sense and would indeed allow for need-based scaling of resources without any expensive local hardware. I think this is the future of the common man’s computing experience - a nice monitor that also functions as a thin client to access web-hosted virtual desktops.
Yup, that was what I understood it to be, I’ll admit to just skimming the article, but it seemed rather directly that?
It’s the Adobe model though. It’ll seem attractive to start with compared to upgrading every few years, but soon enough you’ll be paying out the nose for it.
Can’t afford your monthly windows cloud bill? Lose access to all your data, important files, pictures of your kids, music library.
Fuck everything about that with a rusty spoon.
I hope that gaming on linux then is as seamless as it is on windows today. Because the rest of the things that I do with my PC are already equal, but gaming is the big reason I still use windows.
Don’t know what games you are playing, but I game myself quite heavily and doing it exclusively on Linux. Steam proton has changed a lot of things for Linux gaming. Only issues are with anti cheat. So if you are playing single player you are good to go. Multiplayer can be difficult, it depends on the game. I have 200 hours on Apex in Linux.
I switched back to windows for gaming because NVidia drivers are terrible and I had so many issues with many game that no amount of googling and debugging could fix. Linux also doesn’t have HDR support yet (it’s in the work though)
I really prefer Linux, but I had so many non trivial issues. I know this isn’t the same experience for everyone, but considering I do gaming 95% of the time on my personal PC, I got fed up of hitting a wall for the games I wanted to play.
I will buy an AMD gpu when I will switch so that hopefully the open sourced drivers will fix my issues.
I still daily drive linux for work though.
It does have HDR support already though, it’s just via GameScope.
Yeah, anti-cheat/multiplayer is the biggest hurdle to go for linux gaming, as well as VR. They’re the two things that continue to hold my kids in Windows, for now. I hope that someday they’re remedied and I can move them into Linux systems for gaming, but for now, it’s just not realistic, sadly.
A lot of anticheat actually works pretty well now, it’s super cool how much Valve continues to push Proton development forward
Steam has that on lock right now. No, it’s not perfect, but for most games it’s pretty much seamless.
There are some cases where Windows is better - mod management tools are better on Windows, for instance. Anything you have outside of Steam might need another app like Lutris (or Heroic, which is great for GOG btw). And that’s not mentioning malware under the guise of “anti-cheat”.
I’ve been trying out linux gaming annually. With the steam deck out it proton has become super good. I think my gaming pc is finally going to stay on linux this time around. Oh anti cheat has support now too. Just got done playing a few round of halo mcc.
Gaming Linux has been seamless for 2-3 years now. I stopped checking Linux compayibility scores around 2021 because I expect everything to work now.
I know I’m one of the few, but what I like about a PC is the Computing part, but also the Personal part. I can use this apparatus to automate some calculations in my own free time and display it however I want. Sure things can be outsourced. Sure I can use a cloud computer. But that’s no fun for me.
I had notebooks where I turned off WiFi and all its services, I had a desktop PC where the network card fried. Those were the most stable and fastest Windows installations I ever had. Running for years on end without ever needing a reboot.
Windows Terminal-mode, it sure may have its place. But not for me.
I don’t get it, what’s the benefit of this? Why would your average joe want to use a cloud instance instead of running Windows locally? How does Microsoft benefit from this?
You can’t torrent on these, that would be my guess.
Subscription service, infinite income without requiring innovation!
Microsoft gets to sell the sizzle, not the steak. They also have all your data since the OS is running on their computer, not yours. I guess this will make Windows a web app, working like NextCloud only on their machines.
Imagine being able to use your computer 355 days of the year (looking at you, Office 365 and Teams) :)
What consumer is asking for this?
No consumer wants this. Microsoft wants this.
I’m sure there’s some VP execs that will want to “reduce maintenance burden” and will force a partial migration to the cloud before they pick up their next bonus check.
Exactly… I do use windows, but I if this becomes mandatory I will be 100% on Linux immediately.
Why does Microsoft want this? What’s the benefit of encouraging people to use VMs instead of running Windows locally?
Subscriptions! And “Don’t sell the bacon, sell the sizzle” You get to pay for every minute you use ‘your’ computer. If they do this I expect the hardware will be free, but you pay $32.50 a month for normal usage and $50.99 for any compute minutes requiring extra CPU or GPU (including ChatGPT or any AAA game). On the upside - perhaps there would be an easy way to switch between VMs and do multiple things at once. Also, your disk space is unlimited but priced per Gb.
bet itll suddenly become subscription based too
Of course, how else will they pay for storage of your data? This part already started with OneDrive. Now you’ll buy a new laptop for $100, the thinnest laptop you’ve ever seen, it will just come with a 128GB m.1 drive soldered to the board, and you’ll run (and save) everything from Microsoft’s servers.
That’s exactly the argument they and their bootlickers will use too. “we need it to run infrastructure!!!” they wouldnt have to run infrastructure if they didnt gut features from their products. Like the whole Toyota remote start subscription crap. “They need the subscription to run the servers so you can start your car from anywhere” but you can no longer use classic radio remote start which doesn’t require servers
That’s exactly the argument they and their bootlickers will use too. “we need it to run infrastructure!!!” they wouldnt have to run infrastructure if they didnt gut features from their products. Like the whole Toyota remote start subscription crap. “They need the subscription to run the servers so you can start your car from anywhere” but you can no longer use classic radio remote start which doesn’t require servers
Well, that should be interesting for businesses. I wonder how things will play out with HIPPA, GPDR, and such.
I wish Linux was an option for me, but Adobe software is what has me stuck, and there’s no Steam pushing for that to be properly supported… And migrating my Lightroom catalog to another software would be an absolute nightmare.
Maybe consider starting to play with Darktable. Get a sense if it is a viable alternative to support.
I knew they were planning on removing all local control at some point. By the end of this users will propably have to call ms support/something equivalent to that, to do anything that requires admin rights. I guess I should be thankful to microsoft for steeling my resolve to not use any windows beyond 10.
Hard pass.
Microsoft wants to move me fully to the Linux
I only use windows if i have to in my workplace and it always sucks. It’s the only thing on my workflow that slows me down or drives me crazy
Is the “cloud” sustainable and scalable, in terms of energy and environmental demands?
No, no – they want to get you to pay for your hardware, mandatory, big network transfers, and cloud resources. None of which are exactly powered by unicorn farts.
It’s probably better because you don’t waste that many hardware resources.