Why does anybody give any kind of benefit of doubt to the class of wealthy rapists that run society and most of its institutions?
They’re rapists.
They’ll rape your money, your data, your attention, your energy, your time, anything they can either groom you into letting them take, or just take it by force.
And/or, if you’re ‘lucky’, they’ll just literally rape you physically.
These people are all violent sociopaths and need to be either euthanized or quarantined from society.
Imagine SexPestiny.
There ya go, thats all of these goddamned people.
Machiavellian, manipulative, beyond amoral into just actually evil, not actually very smart, they just happen to have money.
Power corrupts. Ultimate power corrupts ultimately. Story as old as time. That’s something the people should understand that think you can cure authoritarianism with authoritarianism, as long as you follow the one true holy book.
Well a lot of those people are just fundamentally taught that anything Sky Daddy does quite literally is the very concept of good and just, and seem to be genuinely incapable of their own independent moral reasoning.
I know because that is how I was raised, good thing I’m more curious and inquisitive than I am blindly faithful.
We’ve got something around a third of the US that is ready and eager to install some kind of an overt theocracy, if you haven’t heard of the Seven Mountains movement/concept look it up.
These people are fundamentally driven by irrational delusions and falsities and lies and obvious logical paradoxes, all plastered over with ‘faith’ that simply serves as a justification for hatred and bigotry.
I know not all religious people are like this, many of them are much more reasonable.
But we have ya’ll qaeda here at home, and they will destroy everything they do not understand if they are not countered.
Look none of us like Peter Thiel but him being an investor in a company used by discord is barely a story
The bigger story here IMO is that discord may be trying to move away from their home grown easily circumvented system, so get verified while you still can without compromising yourself.
What was the main problem that eventually made everyone move from it ? I remember back in my teen days it was Teamspeak, Skype and IRC. Somehow I got by with mostly Skype so don’t have much experience with it.
IRC has no support for rich media, voice or video calls, and if you want offline message receipt you need to roll your own solution, of which there are billions.
Check out The Lounge or Convos if you are willing to use a web client. They display history, images on channels, allow uploads, preview URLs and have push notifications.
I was talking with a friend about this when they announced age verification. He seemed pretty optimistic that this would hopefully bring back forums/irc/vent servers or anything self hostable, but I’m not to sure. I’m sure all of us here knew what was going on with this, but I’m sure the average person still doesnt care as much and will continue to trade away privacy for convenience. We all have family and friends who come to when something like this happens, but continue to use services afterwards. Seems like we will continue to be a fun club of like minded people here on fedi stuff with most people staying with what they know.
He seemed pretty optimistic that this would hopefully bring back forums/irc/vent servers or anything self hostable
He’s naive as hell, especially if he thinks that the average person is willing to self-host fuck-all.
This’ll drive some of the more privacy-conscious users somewhere else, but some might not have an option depending on what they use it for, and many software projects etc. use Discord for support (“I just won’t use that software!” is an idiot’s answer to that, because again, you might not have a choice). LGBT+ folks will probably be more spooked, but even they might not have a choice.
I think he was half joking and half thinking of communities hes on that are more tech savvy. I’m also a little bit younger than him and interact with people younger than me, and I think theres a disconnect there.
Yes, I miss vent and irc but most people never used text or voice chat until it was centralized and braindead easy to use. I would like to go back to something like that, but most people never used it in the first place (compared to active users now) and probably have no interest in learning/setting it up.
As an early 30 something guy, I don’t see most people my age hopping ship to something like Matrix or older comm software because of the learning curve vs Discord. Younger people even less based on my personal experience.
It’s not that people won’t host them. It’s that no one will go there. I’ve run forums for years and years but people don’t care anymore. Hell I don’t even care that much. You can host all you want but if no one goes there, you’re boned.
And everyone please stop using it as a forum for the love of God. I have no use for discord as a platform, but every damn FOSS program asking me to go there for troubleshooting is insanity.
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Fucking obviously duh, of course it does.
Why does anybody give any kind of benefit of doubt to the class of wealthy rapists that run society and most of its institutions?
They’re rapists.
They’ll rape your money, your data, your attention, your energy, your time, anything they can either groom you into letting them take, or just take it by force.
And/or, if you’re ‘lucky’, they’ll just literally rape you physically.
These people are all violent sociopaths and need to be either euthanized or quarantined from society.
Imagine SexPestiny.
There ya go, thats all of these goddamned people.
Machiavellian, manipulative, beyond amoral into just actually evil, not actually very smart, they just happen to have money.
Power corrupts. Ultimate power corrupts ultimately. Story as old as time. That’s something the people should understand that think you can cure authoritarianism with authoritarianism, as long as you follow the one true holy book.
Well a lot of those people are just fundamentally taught that anything Sky Daddy does quite literally is the very concept of good and just, and seem to be genuinely incapable of their own independent moral reasoning.
I know because that is how I was raised, good thing I’m more curious and inquisitive than I am blindly faithful.
We’ve got something around a third of the US that is ready and eager to install some kind of an overt theocracy, if you haven’t heard of the Seven Mountains movement/concept look it up.
These people are fundamentally driven by irrational delusions and falsities and lies and obvious logical paradoxes, all plastered over with ‘faith’ that simply serves as a justification for hatred and bigotry.
I know not all religious people are like this, many of them are much more reasonable.
But we have ya’ll qaeda here at home, and they will destroy everything they do not understand if they are not countered.
Look none of us like Peter Thiel but him being an investor in a company used by discord is barely a story
The bigger story here IMO is that discord may be trying to move away from their home grown easily circumvented system, so get verified while you still can without compromising yourself.
You misspelled “stop using it” while you still can without compromising yourself.
Network effects make that a naive suggestion.
How do you even do it though lol, it hasn’t asked me too.
Honestly I’ll just go back to IRC.
What was the main problem that eventually made everyone move from it ? I remember back in my teen days it was Teamspeak, Skype and IRC. Somehow I got by with mostly Skype so don’t have much experience with it.
IRC has no support for rich media, voice or video calls, and if you want offline message receipt you need to roll your own solution, of which there are billions.
There wasn’t one. They’re still around and people still idle.
Discord is the same thing but with added features like voice, photos, gifs, and other services.
Under the hood, it’s just updated IRC with analytics
Check out The Lounge or Convos if you are willing to use a web client. They display history, images on channels, allow uploads, preview URLs and have push notifications.
Matrix can bridge to IRC
The more information gets out about this whole thing, worse it gets.
Peter Theil is also JD Vance’s mentor
kinda weird.
I can’t think of a much weirder duo, tbh
what a world we live In. thiel is smart. Vance isn’t even named Vance?
you mean his puppet master. just like he hides behind his puppets that control LOTR themed companies.
Another reason to take down theil
Keep em coming so we know what to delete 🫡
I was talking with a friend about this when they announced age verification. He seemed pretty optimistic that this would hopefully bring back forums/irc/vent servers or anything self hostable, but I’m not to sure. I’m sure all of us here knew what was going on with this, but I’m sure the average person still doesnt care as much and will continue to trade away privacy for convenience. We all have family and friends who come to when something like this happens, but continue to use services afterwards. Seems like we will continue to be a fun club of like minded people here on fedi stuff with most people staying with what they know.
Sorry for the rant
He’s naive as hell, especially if he thinks that the average person is willing to self-host fuck-all.
This’ll drive some of the more privacy-conscious users somewhere else, but some might not have an option depending on what they use it for, and many software projects etc. use Discord for support (“I just won’t use that software!” is an idiot’s answer to that, because again, you might not have a choice). LGBT+ folks will probably be more spooked, but even they might not have a choice.
The average user won’t give a flying fuck
I think he was half joking and half thinking of communities hes on that are more tech savvy. I’m also a little bit younger than him and interact with people younger than me, and I think theres a disconnect there.
Yes, I miss vent and irc but most people never used text or voice chat until it was centralized and braindead easy to use. I would like to go back to something like that, but most people never used it in the first place (compared to active users now) and probably have no interest in learning/setting it up.
As an early 30 something guy, I don’t see most people my age hopping ship to something like Matrix or older comm software because of the learning curve vs Discord. Younger people even less based on my personal experience.
It’s not that people won’t host them. It’s that no one will go there. I’ve run forums for years and years but people don’t care anymore. Hell I don’t even care that much. You can host all you want but if no one goes there, you’re boned.
I just finished setting up a Matrix Synapse server with oidc login and Authelia on my Kubernetes cluster.
Apparently it doesn’t support video or voice calls out of the box and I have to spin up some other stack that Synapse uses to do the calls.
Thank god. I was getting worried for a second
Download Element.io, create an acount, create your space and rooms, invite your friends.
Leave this fucking mess that’s called discord
And after trying it, if you want to see what alternative client apps have to offer, you can find them here.
And everyone please stop using it as a forum for the love of God. I have no use for discord as a platform, but every damn FOSS program asking me to go there for troubleshooting is insanity.
This! It’s not a wiki.
lets hope for a competitor that doesn’t shoot themselves in the foot 🙏
discord also shot themselves in the foot too
no wonder!
any good alternates?
Tried Matrix with element as a client with friends. Worked flawlessly
What instance?
Matrix org for now. Until I self host
Matrix, Teamspeak… I don’t know. But these come first to my mind.
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Maybe this? https://matrix.org/ecosystem/servers/
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This? https://matrixrooms.info/ I don’t use it myself, didn’t use Matrix for a long time now.
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They’re called Spaces on matrix clients. Server instances are the sites that they are hosted on. AFAIK you need to be logged in to bring up this cross-sever space search shown below: https://matrix.org/docs/chat_basics/public-rooms/#browsing-the-public-directory
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I’m trying commet.chat client for now works on matrix and feels like discord
Oh nice, it gets worse!
No loss. I got talked into joining a Discord group and hated everything about it.
Abandon ship!