You really should check out the enhanced edition if you can. It comes with everything official ever made, works on modern hardware, and the multi-player works well (and seemlessly to boot - no more scrounging for hakpaks). I play on servers at least a couple times a week.
In the golden age of modding? People were buying games like UT2k4 and NWN and Oblivion for the mods. It was a huge shock when (after the Make Something Unreal contest made it clear that it was just as hard to make your own game as to make a major TC) UT3 had next to no mod support from the community.
And people still (kind of rightfully…) refuse to play a Bethesda game without the “community patch” and so forth.
For the games that support them (and even some that don’t), mods are a major part of the marketing and support of games. And yet the studio/publisher makes bank whereas the people fixing those bugs just get abuse.
And that ignores stuff like the recent Bethesda games where experiments were made for paid mods. People immediately lost their shit because fuck that person who made the really cool crafting mod I can’t play without, I already gave Microsoft 5 bucks ten years ago!
So yeah. I think there is a lot of reason to start looking at things like they are. Mods, especially “unofficial patches”, are work done by unpaid engineers. People can still decide they don’t deserve any money but they should at least have to “say” “unpaid labor doesn’t deserve anything”.
And people still (kind of rightfully…) refuse to play a Bethesda game without the “community patch” and so forth.
1000% justified. Skyrim was released in November 2011, there’s still bugs that haven’t been fixed by Bethesda. Without mods it’s not a fully functional game.
I remember at launch, I got to a point in the MQ where you have to talk to a dude through a slot in a door and the NPC just never came to the door to have this dialogue which would lead to him opening the door.
I had to fix it myself once the toolset released, and the problem was that the script that was supposed to play never actually had the trigger set up. Like the scripted even was there, it was ready to go, but someone at Bethesda forgot to actually include the trigger that would run it.
And again, this was a MAIN QUEST, and pretty early into it at that. There is no excuse for a bug this easily fixed to go completely unnoticed in QA.
I have the feeling that it was probably flagged by QA, and then they were ignored. Only explanation for this and the miriad other game breaking bugs. Either that, or it was fixed, but the fix was never committed to the end product.
I think the reason for the distinction is that this is a community-led effort that was incorporated as an official patch for everyone on the actual game install delivered by storefronts, so it’s not entirely the same as modders releasing a patch on moddb or something like that.
Edit: and then I refreshed and there were a bunch of other similar comments lol, didn’t mean to dogpile.
Calling core engine reworks a mod when the technologies were not widely used and needed to be put into the engine to be implemented is also misleading. This is not simply editing some game file values.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
No game suggestions, friend requests, surveys, or begging.
No Let’s Plays, streams, highlight reels/montages, random videos or shorts.
No off-topic posts/comments, within reason.
Use the original source, no clickbait titles, no duplicates.
(Submissions should be from the original source if possible, unless from paywalled or non-english sources.
If the title is clickbait or lacks context you may lightly edit the title.)
Who tf refers to Neverwinter Nights as NN, rather than NWN?
NWN is a game I deeply love despite its many flaws. It’s great to see that others are keeping it alive and kicking!
same here, i got it super cheap at a SAAN here in canada from the discounted bin. One of the best games I ever played.
Wish I could play the new one, but life has dealt me a shit hand the past 6 years so doubtful I’ll ever get to
You really should check out the enhanced edition if you can. It comes with everything official ever made, works on modern hardware, and the multi-player works well (and seemlessly to boot - no more scrounging for hakpaks). I play on servers at least a couple times a week.
So…a mod.
Modders did it. Saying “unpaid software engineers” is painting a very different picture than what actually is the case.
I think it is a picture worth painting.
In the golden age of modding? People were buying games like UT2k4 and NWN and Oblivion for the mods. It was a huge shock when (after the Make Something Unreal contest made it clear that it was just as hard to make your own game as to make a major TC) UT3 had next to no mod support from the community.
And people still (kind of rightfully…) refuse to play a Bethesda game without the “community patch” and so forth.
For the games that support them (and even some that don’t), mods are a major part of the marketing and support of games. And yet the studio/publisher makes bank whereas the people fixing those bugs just get abuse.
And that ignores stuff like the recent Bethesda games where experiments were made for paid mods. People immediately lost their shit because fuck that person who made the really cool crafting mod I can’t play without, I already gave Microsoft 5 bucks ten years ago!
So yeah. I think there is a lot of reason to start looking at things like they are. Mods, especially “unofficial patches”, are work done by unpaid engineers. People can still decide they don’t deserve any money but they should at least have to “say” “unpaid labor doesn’t deserve anything”.
1000% justified. Skyrim was released in November 2011, there’s still bugs that haven’t been fixed by Bethesda. Without mods it’s not a fully functional game.
I remember at launch, I got to a point in the MQ where you have to talk to a dude through a slot in a door and the NPC just never came to the door to have this dialogue which would lead to him opening the door.
I had to fix it myself once the toolset released, and the problem was that the script that was supposed to play never actually had the trigger set up. Like the scripted even was there, it was ready to go, but someone at Bethesda forgot to actually include the trigger that would run it.
And again, this was a MAIN QUEST, and pretty early into it at that. There is no excuse for a bug this easily fixed to go completely unnoticed in QA.
I have the feeling that it was probably flagged by QA, and then they were ignored. Only explanation for this and the miriad other game breaking bugs. Either that, or it was fixed, but the fix was never committed to the end product.
Yes, it’s a more honest term which reflects the quality of work that was done by people who weren’t compensated for their effort.
I think the reason for the distinction is that this is a community-led effort that was incorporated as an official patch for everyone on the actual game install delivered by storefronts, so it’s not entirely the same as modders releasing a patch on moddb or something like that.
Edit: and then I refreshed and there were a bunch of other similar comments lol, didn’t mean to dogpile.
But it’s officially distributed by Beamdog as a patch. So it’s a little bit more than a mod.
deleted by creator
Calling core engine reworks a mod when the technologies were not widely used and needed to be put into the engine to be implemented is also misleading. This is not simply editing some game file values.