Charlie Jane Anders discusses KOSA (the Kids Online Safety Act).
If you’re in the US, https://www.stopkosa.com/ makes it easy to contact your Senators and ask them to oppose KOSA.
"A new bill called the Kids Online Safety Act, or KOSA, is sailing towards passage in the Senate with bipartisa>n support. Among other things, this bill would give the attorney general of every state, including red states, the right to sue Internet platforms if they allow any content that is deemed harmful to minors. This clause is so vaguely defined that attorneys general can absolutely claim that queer content violates it — and they don’t even need to win these lawsuits in order to prevail. They might not even need to file a lawsuit, in fact. The mere threat of an expensive, grueling legal battle will be enough to make almost every Internet platform begin to scrub anything related to queer people.
The right wing Heritage Foundation has already stated publicly that the GOP will use this provision to remove any discussions of trans or queer lives from the Internet. They’re salivating over the prospect.
And yep, I did say this bill has bipartisan support. Many Democrats have already signed on as co-sponsors. And President Joe Biden has urged lawmakers to pass this bill in the strongest possible terms."
Fascists always use “protecting children” as the rationale for implementing mechanisms of social control. Their willingness to allow school shootings shows that they really don’t care about protecting children at all.
Nope. Not yet. The right-wingers thought they could install overt fascism without the help of liberals - they thought wrong. They tried to win the streets - antifa beat booted them off it. They got their Great Orange Fuhrer into the Waffle House - liberal disdain isolated him and booted him out. What needs to happen is liberals being frightened to such an extent of working class revolt that the violence fascists offers becomes the “lesser evil” - and a good first step is to find hysteria “hot button” issues that liberals are too ignorant and naive to see through… like above-mentioned “protect the children” trope.
Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection. Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.
just so we’re all clear on the purpose of this bill.
Maybe I’m being more optimistic about how much the average voter pays attention than I should be, but if the Senate passes it and he’s braindead enough to sign it after how the Heritage Foundation bragged they’ll use it he deserves the 2024 apathy that puts a felon in his chair.
Biden seems to actually like the bill. Here’s a quote from the source in the article:
Later this week, senators will debate legislation to protect kids’ privacy online, which I’ve been calling for for two years. It matters. Pass it, pass it, pass it, pass it, pass it.
I really mean it. Think about it. Do you ever get a chance to look at what your kids are looking at online?
He’s been actively campaigning for it for two years.
I don’t regret voting for him because he did the two things I wanted:
Not be Trump - he’s still an embarrassment, but it’s because he’s old, not because he’s toxic
Get us out of Afghanistan
I’ve disliked most of the rest of what he did, but he accomplished my two top priorities. I will probably go back to voting independent/third party this election unless Trump gets the nomination, in which case I might vote for Biden again because of priority #1. I live in a red state, so it probably doesn’t matter regardless, but I think it would be funny if the GOP candidate lost here.
Biden has always been anti-freedom. He wrote a bill while in congress that he later claimed the Patriot Act was ripped off from, basically doing a lot of similar stuff to shit on Americans’ freedom like the Patriot Act did but it was not passed. I was worried about him being VP while Obama was in office due to his bad record. He’s one of the crappiest options America had in 2020, but still is better than Trump obviously.
I 100% agree. In my list of preferred Democratic candidates in 2020, Biden was second only to Kamala Harris in terms of worst candidate (to me). Basically, I would’ve preferred literally anyone else to the pair we got.
Yet I still voted for him over Trump because Trump was just that bad. It was my first time voting Democrat for President ever, and it was the hardest Presidential vote I’ve ever cast. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 because I thought that Trump surely wouldn’t have a realistic shot, yet the stars aligned and we elected a lunatic.
I live in Tennessee so that’s, uh, not ever going to happen again unless the entire Republican party gets caught assassinating Trump, in drag, while holding Korans and admitting climate change is real.
Lol, that’s probably not far from the truth unfortunately. My state is pretty similar. Despite a ton of people absolutely hating Trump (Trump did very poorly here in 2016 primaries), the election still wasn’t close at all both elections.
I’m not a fan of Biden, but since my vote for President doesn’t really matter anyway, I use it to send a message. Usually that’s to whatever the biggest third party is at the time, but last election is was to the Democratic party.
Not really surprising to me. Gay (and now trans) people have long been accused of grooming and/or queerifying children
The first openly gay senator is probably hyper-aware of this, and I’d guess is probably very hawkish on anything protecting children
The other aspect is congressmen don’t understand shit outside (sometimes) politics or the law. On its surface, this has a very compelling description - hold websites responsible if they let children access NSFW content.
It’s not until you ask how (interpreted by the community as providing identifiable information to “prove” your age) that the first flaw comes up - this provides a way to collect data on online use, as social media is considered potentially NSFW by the nature of user submission
Then you get to the things most people without a technical background wouldn’t see
The second flaw - companies are terrible at securing data. Get ready for every scammer under the sun to be able to find your ID numbers.
The third, this won’t work. As a young teen, I blazed past parental controls, because there’s a ton of porn out there and there’s no way to hold back someone determined to find it. If you want this to work, we need to make a child Internet of known safe content and parental controls to keep you there… But just like finding or stealing a Playboy, the fact it exists means kids are going to be stealing passwords or IDs and probably sharing them. If we instead had sites declare content ratings and locked down at the device level, they need to go through a lot of work or get a secret device - it would give parents powerful tools to actually enforce this through Apple, Google, or Microsoft accounts
And finally, this won’t work because it’s inconvenient. Make password requirements too strict, and users write them down. Make content moderation too strict, and people will find shortcuts. People will find ways around this that will likely both end up in the hands of children, but also probably make everyone less safe
Ah yes… forever and again, the siren song of children being used as an excuse for draconian, rights eroding legislation… its amazing how much responsibility parents have shirked to the state as they replace babysitters with cellphones and tablets.
It isn’t so much parents shirking responsibility as folks in power doing what they want and just saying parents demanded it. When actual parents want something there’s a lot more hue and cry, hearings, and suchlike. When there isn’t, dig a bit and you find convenient lies and excuses.
: “You REALLY want little Billy to read a tweet that makes him think he’s not perfect because he’s white!? YOU MONSTER! Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to relentlessly stalk and then bully this freak I found on KiwiFarms for the crime of not being a good normal like me!”
There is no need for it though. It is a bipartisan bill and further down it is mentioned how the GOP would use it. The implication of red states being shitty is already there.
I’m curious how that’s going to work in international context. Everything to do with the queer community suddenly has a link to .ca or .mx domain and server park outside the country where this doesn’t apply for example. Or reddit suddenly checks with the authorities in Zimbabwe if the ID is valid.
the US controls the international money supply. the loopholes employed by those companies are very easily closed as is the ability of companies headquartered outside the US to operate within its borders. companies will fall in line. and any support granted by other countries are easily neutered by shocking the money supply.
This is how it works on YouTube now, the rules for kids content are draconic and you risk your account, so everybody just says “this is not for kids” on all videos.
YouTube music will not let you put a “for kids” marked song on a playlist! It kind of sucks for putting my KID’s favorite goofy songs on my KID’s playlist. The kid’s playlist that is composed entirely of content not marked “for kids” because that’s all that is possible.
Which you will need to prove by sending your personal identification to a commercial third party provider. Who will eventually get hacked and your data will be leaked.
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Fascists always use “protecting children” as the rationale for implementing mechanisms of social control. Their willingness to allow school shootings shows that they really don’t care about protecting children at all.
Ooooh… the liberals are about to hand the fascists the keys to the tanks.
We did the same in 2016. I forget what happened as I lapsed into a 4 year alcohol fueled amnesia. But I can’t imagine that it was too bad. /s
Nope. Not yet. The right-wingers thought they could install overt fascism without the help of liberals - they thought wrong. They tried to win the streets - antifa beat booted them off it. They got their Great Orange Fuhrer into the Waffle House - liberal disdain isolated him and booted him out. What needs to happen is liberals being frightened to such an extent of working class revolt that the violence fascists offers becomes the “lesser evil” - and a good first step is to find hysteria “hot button” issues that liberals are too ignorant and naive to see through… like above-mentioned “protect the children” trope.
part 2 of this bill:
just so we’re all clear on the purpose of this bill.
All the fascist hentai guys on 4chan are about to commit mass suicide or a mass shooting
The guys who run 4chan are going to be facing life in jail.
Wtf
What the heeell? (can’t get a more productive comment after reading that, sorry)
Fuck
Ah yes, children security. Of course.
We can’t have them looking at gay shit, they might get bullied and have to stay home and not get shot.
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Screw both parties and Joe Biden in particular. I’ll be asking my senators to oppose this, though I highly doubt it’ll matter.
Biden’s going to veto it for sure, lol.
Then why is he urging lawmakers to pass it? Just do he can veto it? That doesn’t make any sense.
Maybe I’m being more optimistic about how much the average voter pays attention than I should be, but if the Senate passes it and he’s braindead enough to sign it after how the Heritage Foundation bragged they’ll use it he deserves the 2024 apathy that puts a felon in his chair.
Biden seems to actually like the bill. Here’s a quote from the source in the article:
He’s been actively campaigning for it for two years.
I don’t regret voting for him because he did the two things I wanted:
I’ve disliked most of the rest of what he did, but he accomplished my two top priorities. I will probably go back to voting independent/third party this election unless Trump gets the nomination, in which case I might vote for Biden again because of priority #1. I live in a red state, so it probably doesn’t matter regardless, but I think it would be funny if the GOP candidate lost here.
Biden has always been anti-freedom. He wrote a bill while in congress that he later claimed the Patriot Act was ripped off from, basically doing a lot of similar stuff to shit on Americans’ freedom like the Patriot Act did but it was not passed. I was worried about him being VP while Obama was in office due to his bad record. He’s one of the crappiest options America had in 2020, but still is better than Trump obviously.
I 100% agree. In my list of preferred Democratic candidates in 2020, Biden was second only to Kamala Harris in terms of worst candidate (to me). Basically, I would’ve preferred literally anyone else to the pair we got.
Yet I still voted for him over Trump because Trump was just that bad. It was my first time voting Democrat for President ever, and it was the hardest Presidential vote I’ve ever cast. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 because I thought that Trump surely wouldn’t have a realistic shot, yet the stars aligned and we elected a lunatic.
I live in Tennessee so that’s, uh, not ever going to happen again unless the entire Republican party gets caught assassinating Trump, in drag, while holding Korans and admitting climate change is real.
Lol, that’s probably not far from the truth unfortunately. My state is pretty similar. Despite a ton of people absolutely hating Trump (Trump did very poorly here in 2016 primaries), the election still wasn’t close at all both elections.
I’m not a fan of Biden, but since my vote for President doesn’t really matter anyway, I use it to send a message. Usually that’s to whatever the biggest third party is at the time, but last election is was to the Democratic party.
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I’m shocked that the first openly gay senator Tammy Baldwin is a co-sponsor for the bill. You bet I’m writing her.
Not really surprising to me. Gay (and now trans) people have long been accused of grooming and/or queerifying children
The first openly gay senator is probably hyper-aware of this, and I’d guess is probably very hawkish on anything protecting children
The other aspect is congressmen don’t understand shit outside (sometimes) politics or the law. On its surface, this has a very compelling description - hold websites responsible if they let children access NSFW content.
It’s not until you ask how (interpreted by the community as providing identifiable information to “prove” your age) that the first flaw comes up - this provides a way to collect data on online use, as social media is considered potentially NSFW by the nature of user submission
Then you get to the things most people without a technical background wouldn’t see
The second flaw - companies are terrible at securing data. Get ready for every scammer under the sun to be able to find your ID numbers.
The third, this won’t work. As a young teen, I blazed past parental controls, because there’s a ton of porn out there and there’s no way to hold back someone determined to find it. If you want this to work, we need to make a child Internet of known safe content and parental controls to keep you there… But just like finding or stealing a Playboy, the fact it exists means kids are going to be stealing passwords or IDs and probably sharing them. If we instead had sites declare content ratings and locked down at the device level, they need to go through a lot of work or get a secret device - it would give parents powerful tools to actually enforce this through Apple, Google, or Microsoft accounts
And finally, this won’t work because it’s inconvenient. Make password requirements too strict, and users write them down. Make content moderation too strict, and people will find shortcuts. People will find ways around this that will likely both end up in the hands of children, but also probably make everyone less safe
Ah yes… forever and again, the siren song of children being used as an excuse for draconian, rights eroding legislation… its amazing how much responsibility parents have shirked to the state as they replace babysitters with cellphones and tablets.
It isn’t so much parents shirking responsibility as folks in power doing what they want and just saying parents demanded it. When actual parents want something there’s a lot more hue and cry, hearings, and suchlike. When there isn’t, dig a bit and you find convenient lies and excuses.
Make sure you vote!!!
I keep voting and things keep getting worse anyway.
You’re not voting hard enough
For fucking what? This is bipartisan!
don’t worry, they’re making fun of liberals who claim voting will cure all societal ills
PSL, for example.
If someone without a website in their name and who has pronouns displayed says some weird shit 95/100 times it’s ironic
our usernames have @hexbear.net in them from other sites lol.
Damn
“would give the attorney general of every state, including red states, the right to sue”
What a weird distinction to make. I know they’re getting squirrelly, but they still technically count in the “every state” column.
the distinction is because those red states have extensive efforts underway to go after queer people and this bill enables them to do so online.
There is no need for it though. It is a bipartisan bill and further down it is mentioned how the GOP would use it. The implication of red states being shitty is already there.
It’s just bad writing.
Why would you oppose this? Don’t you want children to be safe online? Won’t anybody please think of the children? /s
“Why would you oppose this? What are you a pedo???” /sarcasm
And then everybody slaps a “Only for 18+, fill in your birth day” on their site and nobody can legally claim it’s harming children.
this law requires positive proof with IDs. it’s also going to be used by red states to go after online queer communities.
I’m curious how that’s going to work in international context. Everything to do with the queer community suddenly has a link to .ca or .mx domain and server park outside the country where this doesn’t apply for example. Or reddit suddenly checks with the authorities in Zimbabwe if the ID is valid.
lol the US doesn’t care about international law
There were enough American companies having an office in Ireland to avoid taxes. And soon also to avoid red state litigation.
the US controls the international money supply. the loopholes employed by those companies are very easily closed as is the ability of companies headquartered outside the US to operate within its borders. companies will fall in line. and any support granted by other countries are easily neutered by shocking the money supply.
And suddenly everyone was born on Jan 1st, 2000
I’m not doing maths to keep it at 18 each year.
I do 1900 lol
Funny how websites actually accept that birthyear.
Was curious, so I looked it up. The oldest living people were born in 1907 currently.
You still live in 2018?
People born in 2000 are 23
I didn’t say I was going to do maths for you either ;)
It has more the implication that there are either an incredible amount of +120 year olds, or their system sucks.
I’m well over 18 and I give the year field a good scroll down to be like 80y/o because it’s such a bother to click 3 sliders. F that.
This is how it works on YouTube now, the rules for kids content are draconic and you risk your account, so everybody just says “this is not for kids” on all videos.
This is the adult tour, it’s not FOR kids
YouTube music will not let you put a “for kids” marked song on a playlist! It kind of sucks for putting my KID’s favorite goofy songs on my KID’s playlist. The kid’s playlist that is composed entirely of content not marked “for kids” because that’s all that is possible.
Fun fact, press the three dots on the video and you still get the option to add it to a playlist!
Which you will need to prove by sending your personal identification to a commercial third party provider. Who will eventually get hacked and your data will be leaked.
Meh, it is already out there anyway. Several times over.
Lol, kosa means scythe in slovenian.
In all Slavic languages, if I’m not mistaken.