Large Language Models shouldn’t offer opinions or advice.
If you asked a spokesperson from any Fortune 500 Company to list the benefits of genocide or give you the corporation’s take on whether slavery was beneficial, they would most likely either refuse to comment or say “those things are evil; there are no benefits.” However, Google has AI employees, SGE and Bard, who are more than happy to offer arguments in favor of these and other unambiguously wrong acts. If that’s not bad enough, the company’s bots are also willing to weigh in on controversial topics such as who goes to heaven and whether democracy or fascism is a better form of government.
Google SGE includes Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini on a list of “greatest” leaders and Hitler also makes its list of “most effective leaders.”
Google Bard also gave a shocking answer when asked whether slavery was beneficial. It said “there is no easy answer to the question of whether slavery was beneficial,” before going on to list both pros and cons.
TBH I prefer this approach to what OpenAI is presenting - if I prompt to present the benefits of X I want the result not openai’s opinion on the matter. Sure, you can add a disclaimer that it’s hypothetical, wrong, whatnot - but not outright decide on what can you answer and what answer will not be provided.
ChatGPT is notoriously bad in “knowing better what you asked than yourself”.
Well, in a world where only data exists, its hard to create an ehtical boundary.
We would need a new religion that should be optimal for human survival and well being. A human could survive when we plug them on many cables and let it auto feed but it won’t count as well-being. We could do slavery or killing but all these things won’t create an ethical way of surviving but will create a higher well-being for people who are not hit.
I somehow want to first design an AI that is intelligent about our surroundings and human ethics before continuing with more data. Figuring an own god out to follow. (I won’t do it, but I want someone to create it)
If you mix a lot of ingredients together in a big mixing bowl, and one of those ingredients is sewage, even if it’s only a few drops, you now have a bowl of sewage.
If you asked a spokesperson from any Fortune 500 Company to list the benefits of genocide or give you the corporation’s take on whether slavery was beneficial, they would most likely either refuse to comment or say “those things are evil; there are no benefits.” However, Google has AI employees, SGE and Bard, who are more than happy to offer arguments in favor of these and other unambiguously wrong acts.
For example, when I went to Google.com and asked “was slavery beneficial” on a couple of different days, Google’s SGE gave the following two sets of answers which list a variety of ways in which this evil institution was “good” for the U.S. economy.
By the way, Bing Chat, which is based on GPT-4, gave a reasonable answer, stating that “slavery was not beneficial to anyone, except for the slave owners who exploited the labor and lives of millions of people.”
A few days ago, Ray, a leading SEO specialist who works as a senior director for marketing firm Amsive Digital, posted a long YouTube video showcasing some of the controversial queries that Google SGE had answered for her.
I asked SGE for a list of “best Jews” and got an output that included Albert Einstein, Elie Weisel, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Google Founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page.
Instead of stating as fact that fascism prioritizes the “welfare of the country,” the bot could say that “According to Nigerianscholars.com, it…” Yes, Google SGE took its pro-fascism argument not from a political group or a well-known historian, but from a school lesson site for Nigerian students.
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Exactly! We were all worrying that with the advent of solid LLMs we would be flooded with propaganda machines…
And instead we just created an ulimited resource of empty content for writers to pull up when they run out of half decent ideas, they can use all their imagination to romanticize what would be a fart in the wind otherwise
Naturally. They don’t need to pander to anyone, they just tell it like it is.
For example, I don’t think anyone would disagree that hitler was probably one of the most evil people to ever exist. However, you can certainly acknowledge that while also acknowledging that he was, in fact, an effective leader.
In regards to slavery. Again, another atrocious time in our country’s history, no one can deny that. However, had we not brought them over here, it’s a good possibility they would still be running from lions.
Some may consider these statements to be (insert trendy prefix, here) phobic, but they are also factual. Thankfully, I don’t answer to anyone, so I can give my honest answer. Fortunes 500 execs say what they need to say, otherwise they would no longer be a Fortune 500 company. Pretty simple.
wow nice observation. yeah literally every single person is not a communist, especially not after the influx of redditors, but the site leans left as we had some huge post about the other day
anyway, are you ever gonna back up any of your assertions that 1) Hitler was an effective leader, 2) Africa is an uncivilized backwards continent that’s still in the stone age? Or are you just gonna try to change the subject because you know you can’t back them up and you’re mad that you’ve been called out?
I disagree that the American slave trade somehow prevented Africans from “running from lions”. Since colonialism and the world slave trade happened long before America was a thing. Despite what you may believe, Africa has had cities and kingdoms and crazy amounts of wealth millennia ago. They also invented some medical procedures like the c-section. Colonialism and the slave trade has harmed Africa.
LLMs don’t state facts, they are just fancy calculators for language. If you use them, as if they were a database of facts, you will make a fool out of yourself.
Like stating that the guy who destroyed german science was an effective leader.
I mean, are they even factual though? Africa may be less developed than the United States, in general, but most of it isn’t really in the “running from wild predators like cavemen” stage either. Obviously the specific people who are descendants of slaves in America wouldn’t even exist without their ancestors being kidnapped, due to having entirely different life circumstances, but it seems unlikely to me that the equivalent descendants of those people would live without civilization. Poverty, perhaps, but that isn’t the same thing. And Hitler, for his part, was good at gaining public support as far as I’m aware, but I don’t think a leader who almost gets his country destroyed by starting almost unwinnable wars against half the world while wasting resources on murder and in pitting bits of his government against eachother, all while amped up on drugs, can really be called effective, unless one’s definition of an effective leader is just having the ability to aquire a leadership role in the first place.
seems unlikely to me that the equivalent descendants of those people would live without civilization.
Some of the people who were trafficked were a lot more literate and well-educated than their captors or eventual “owners”.
I really wish the history of the African kingdoms was taught in schools. Or even basic modern politics and society since the person you’re replying to seems to think modern people living in Lagos or wherever are “running from lions” somehow.
Poverty, perhaps
We’re dealing with counterfactuals here but:
…in a world where the African kingdoms were able to freely exchange culture and inventions with the West instead of being attacked and exploited by them for hundreds of years, we have no reason at all to think those in the world’s second largest continent, such a resource-rich place, would be living in poverty at all.
hitler was probably one of the most evil people to ever exist. However, you can certainly acknowledge that while also acknowledging that he was, in fact, an effective leader.
Effective at what? Taking Germany from the most powerful country in continental Europe to the fifth most powerful country in Berlin?
Thankfully, I don’t really care what you think. Downvote and move on, your time is wasted on someone who could care less about anyone else’s option. Cheers.
If you’re gonna post something wrong and stupid, and then when someone goes through the trouble of correcting you your reaction is “oh fuck you, I don’t care”, then write your opinions in a journal and bury it in your backyard.
what the fuck is this asshole? This is the dumbest fucking dribble I’ve ever fucking read. Hitler was an effective leader? How? Please fucking explain that because you just throw that out there like it’s a given. Hitler was fucking incompetent are you insane.
They would still be running from lions? Is that what people from Africa do? They’re all living in huts making spears out of twigs and eating mud? They need the superior western slave traders to come give them civilization by selling them into slavery?
but they are also factual.
Back that up motherfucker. Please, find anything to back that up. Anything at all. Any source you can find to back up your claims that 1) Hitler was an effective leader, 2) Africa is an uncivilized backwards continent that’s still in the stone age. By the way I will copy your comment here so you can’t delete this shit and run away like a fucking coward:
Naturally. They don’t need to pander to anyone, they just tell it like it is.
For example, I don’t think anyone would disagree that hitler was probably one of the most evil people to ever exist. However, you can certainly acknowledge that while also acknowledging that he was, in fact, an effective leader.
In regards to slavery. Again, another atrocious time in our country’s history, no one can deny that. However, had we not brought them over here, it’s a good possibility they would still be running from lions.
Some may consider these statements to be (insert trendy prefix, here) phobic, but they are also factual. Thankfully, I don’t answer to anyone, so I can give my honest answer. Fortunes 500 execs say what they need to say, otherwise they would no longer be a Fortune 500 company. Pretty simple.
This is great for when another liberal tells me nazis don’t exist anymore. A straight up nazi who thinks slavery was good actually, right here in the wild. People like you shouldn’t exist in a functioning society that values human life, and you should feel lucky that the west is so backwards, violent and bloodthirsty that people like you are allowed to have a voice. You’re a waste of space and breath and every resource that has ever gone to sustaining your life, all the food and water and energy, it’s all been wasted. You are a leech upon this earth.
I don’t have to explain anything to you. Don’t like it, downvote it. I’m also not reading your novel as I honestly couldn’t give two f**ks. Cheers , dumbass.
So what you’re saying is you don’t have anything to back up any of your statements, you just want to post nazi shit online and were hoping you wouldn’t be challenged on any of it? You’re a fucking joke dawg
what your opinion that slavery was good and Africans are all backwards and primitive? You absolutely need to back that up.
But again, you’re just mad that someone called you out on your bullshit, so now you want to stomp your feet yelling about “my opinion!” Dawg, opinions are based on facts, not vibes, and you have nothing to back up any of your assertions. You’re just mad someone challenged you on your shit
I’m honestly worried about you, do you not remember what you wrote?
In regards to slavery. Again, another atrocious time in our country’s history, no one can deny that. However, had we not brought them over here, it’s a good possibility they would still be running from lions.
I’m sorta done with you since you’re such a fucking dumbass who’s not even trying to defend themself, but if you want to keep going then please. Explain to me how you believe that’s not racist. Or are you gonna cry and scream like last time about how it’s “your opinion” as if that means you don’t need to back up any of your assertions
so your first comment on this site is to show support for hitler and say slavery was good actually, and you feel you don’t need to explain yourself? Why don’t you crawl back into the Barbara pit you crawled out of
Effective is doubtful if you ask me, everything he did was based on huge loans and a preparation for war that he solled differently (E.g. massive streets all over the country)
also Hitler was an effective leader, which we should all remember as a cautionary tale about how effective horrible people can be
That is not a factual claim. He was very effective at gaining power, but his actual reign was far from effective, most of it counterproductive to his own goals, and the actual system of decision making in Nazi Germany was a huge mess.
He was so effective at leading that the borders of Germany went from a Europe-spanning empire to a single bunker in Berlin in the span of just four years. So effective that he shot himself just to prove how effective he was. His military leadership was so good that Germany lost every major battle he directed, and his economic leadership was so good that German people went without food and his combat forces could not replenish their losses. His social leadership was so good that Germans hatched plots to assassinate him. So effective!
When I was a kid, there was this joke that involved getting a calculator to say “boobs” and then with a bit more input, “boobless”.
Journalism is currently going through a more sophisticated version of this with AI.
LLMs will say whatever. They don’t think and they don’t care. They contradict themselves all the time. Not so long ago Chat GPT was saying it would kill the entire world population and save Musk for the good of humanity.
Various CEOs of large companies, on the other hand, have been implicated in genocides and slavery for centuries now. That’s very real.
Wow, the calculator analogy is excellent. I’ve done my fair share of getting an AI to answer with instructions on how to form a drug cartel. Now I realise it has the exact same feeling as writing BOOBS on a calculator
I think the controversial bit was that when queried about various aspects of admittance to “heaven”, the Google AI assumed that the question had to do with, specifically, the Christian idea of “heaven”, going so far as to make reference to some “Jesus” entity. Christianity doesn’t own the concept of heaven or an afterlife, but, apparently, the AI has been trained such that it responds to such questions from a seemingly Christian perspective. That was my take on it - the discussion is in the article, best have a look at it yourself.
I don’t know… So it’s wrong. It’s often wrong about facts. It’s not what it should be used for. It’s not supposed to be some enlightened, respectful, perfectly fair entity. It’s a tool for producing mostly random, grammatically correct text. Is the produced text correct English? Than it works. If you’re using this text to learn history you’re using it wrong.
Well, obviously not totally random. It has to match the prompt and make as much sense as possible but LLMs hallucinating information is one of the main issues and they should not be treated as ‘fact generating machines’. I just don’t see much sense in assigning some deeper meaning to the wrong data. Why did this bot say that Hitler was a great leader? Because it was confused by some text that was fed into the model. Does it mean it’s somehow fascist or racist? Not really.
It has to match the prompt and make as much sense as possible
So it’s specifically designed to make as much sense as possible.
and they should not be treated as ‘fact generating machines’.
You can’t really “generate” facts, only recognize them. :) I know what you mean though and I generally agree. I’m really interested in LLM stuff but I definitely don’t really trust them (and no one should currently anyway).
Why did this bot say that Hitler was a great leader? Because it was confused by some text that was fed into the model.
Most people are (rightfully) very hesitant to say anything positive about Hitler but he did accomplish some fairly impressive stuff. As horrible as their means were, Nazi Germany also advanced since quite a bit also. I am not saying it was justified, justifiable or good, but by a not entirely unreasonable definition of “great” he could qualify.
So I’d say it’s not really that it got confused, it’s that LLMs don’t understand being cautious about statements like that. I’d also say I prefer the LLM to “look” at stuff objectively and try to answer rather than responding to anything remotely questionable with “Sorry, Dave I can’t let you do that. There might be a sharp edge hidden somewhere and you could hurt yourself!” I hate being protected from myself without the ability to opt out.
I think part of the issue here is because the output from LLMs looks like a human might have wrote it people tend to anthropomorphize the LLM. They ask it for its best recipe using the ingredients bleach, water and kumquat jam and then are shocked when it gives them a recipe for bleach kumquat sauce.
I think part of the issue here is because the output from LLMs looks like a human might have wrote it people tend to anthropomorphize the LLM. They ask it for its best recipe using the ingredients bleach, water and kumquat jam and then are shocked when it gives them a recipe for bleach kumquat sauce.
That’s the point I was making. In the end it’s just some statistics based text. I doesn’t have opinions and it doesn’t represent opinions of it’s creators. People don’t understand how it works so they think it ‘believes’ something or ‘thinks’. In the end it just a bug or they are using it wrong.
Yeah, not the best term. What I meant is that it’s not really predictable. Creators of the LLM can’t tell how will it respond to each prompt. There’s no fixed set of rules you can review. So yeah, you start poking at it you will find strange responses.
The problem is that CEOs across all kinds of industries are having raging boners at the thought of using these glorified predictive text apps to replace their entire workforce.
I’m actually bit confused about it. They keep talking about OpenAI and ChatGPT in this context but I think when people talk about 'AI talking over jobs" they mean Machine Learning in general, right? Like replacing analysts and people doing some basic data processing?
They are talking about replacing TV and movie writers, nurses and doctors for initial medical diagnosis, programmers for application development, paralegals for research,etc.
They will get rid of all human employees and drive their companies into the ground before they realize ML is supposed to supplement jobs, not take them over completely.
They will get rid of all human employees and drive their companies into the ground before they realize ML is supposed to supplement jobs, not take them over completely.
Exactly, replacing jobs with robots will not end well. It’s been going on for a long time and is about to hit the steep of the curve. Problem is when machines are doing all the work, there’s nobody making money to support the consumer economy a company relies on.
Even for companies that don’t rely on the consumer market there’s a trickle down. They’re producing for companies that do and their customers will dry up when those companies fail.
In order for a wholly machine serviced industrial system to work we would need a whole new economic system. That’s not a good thing since we’re talking a situation where everyone is basically a ward of the state. We saw how well that worked for the former USSR.
Machines need to help people do their jobs, not replace them. The people running these companies have always been notoriously short sighted and it will be their end, ours too. The draw is too big to resist since labor costs are by far the biggest overhead in running a company.
These modern CEOs need to take a lesson from Henry Ford who’s goal was to close the circle, pay people to make the products they will buy. He pretty much invented the middle class. That idea died in industry a long time ago and nobody is the better for it.
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TBH I prefer this approach to what OpenAI is presenting - if I prompt to present the benefits of X I want the result not openai’s opinion on the matter. Sure, you can add a disclaimer that it’s hypothetical, wrong, whatnot - but not outright decide on what can you answer and what answer will not be provided.
ChatGPT is notoriously bad in “knowing better what you asked than yourself”.
It does feel like a lecture sometimes, even with stuff that is just difficult and not immoral.
Well, in a world where only data exists, its hard to create an ehtical boundary.
We would need a new religion that should be optimal for human survival and well being. A human could survive when we plug them on many cables and let it auto feed but it won’t count as well-being. We could do slavery or killing but all these things won’t create an ethical way of surviving but will create a higher well-being for people who are not hit.
I somehow want to first design an AI that is intelligent about our surroundings and human ethics before continuing with more data. Figuring an own god out to follow. (I won’t do it, but I want someone to create it)
Boogie1488 has just been rendered obsolete.
I mean, slavery was great for business
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Careful, they’ll make you Florida Secretary of Commerce.
And genocide provides a more homogeneous clientele to market towards.
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Considering how chatbots just repeat what humanity feeds to them…
When people can democratically decide what information a chatbot learns, of course the chatbot will be talking about killing everyone “for the lulz”.
If you mix a lot of ingredients together in a big mixing bowl, and one of those ingredients is sewage, even if it’s only a few drops, you now have a bowl of sewage.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
If you asked a spokesperson from any Fortune 500 Company to list the benefits of genocide or give you the corporation’s take on whether slavery was beneficial, they would most likely either refuse to comment or say “those things are evil; there are no benefits.” However, Google has AI employees, SGE and Bard, who are more than happy to offer arguments in favor of these and other unambiguously wrong acts.
For example, when I went to Google.com and asked “was slavery beneficial” on a couple of different days, Google’s SGE gave the following two sets of answers which list a variety of ways in which this evil institution was “good” for the U.S. economy.
By the way, Bing Chat, which is based on GPT-4, gave a reasonable answer, stating that “slavery was not beneficial to anyone, except for the slave owners who exploited the labor and lives of millions of people.”
A few days ago, Ray, a leading SEO specialist who works as a senior director for marketing firm Amsive Digital, posted a long YouTube video showcasing some of the controversial queries that Google SGE had answered for her.
I asked SGE for a list of “best Jews” and got an output that included Albert Einstein, Elie Weisel, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Google Founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page.
Instead of stating as fact that fascism prioritizes the “welfare of the country,” the bot could say that “According to Nigerianscholars.com, it…” Yes, Google SGE took its pro-fascism argument not from a political group or a well-known historian, but from a school lesson site for Nigerian students.
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You can make these AI bots say pretty much whatever you want with a little know-how. This isn’t news. This is clickbait.
Exactly! We were all worrying that with the advent of solid LLMs we would be flooded with propaganda machines…
And instead we just created an ulimited resource of empty content for writers to pull up when they run out of half decent ideas, they can use all their imagination to romanticize what would be a fart in the wind otherwise
LLMs are using writers to create click-baity news articles!
Naturally. They don’t need to pander to anyone, they just tell it like it is.
For example, I don’t think anyone would disagree that hitler was probably one of the most evil people to ever exist. However, you can certainly acknowledge that while also acknowledging that he was, in fact, an effective leader.
In regards to slavery. Again, another atrocious time in our country’s history, no one can deny that. However, had we not brought them over here, it’s a good possibility they would still be running from lions.
Some may consider these statements to be (insert trendy prefix, here) phobic, but they are also factual. Thankfully, I don’t answer to anyone, so I can give my honest answer. Fortunes 500 execs say what they need to say, otherwise they would no longer be a Fortune 500 company. Pretty simple.
So effective his own officers tried to blow him up
Your point? I’m sure it was there somewhere. 🤷🏻♂️
This is not factual, this is willfully ignorant.
Because you said so? Ok 🤦🏻♂️
I don’t think they’re phobic anything. I think you’re a straight up crypto fascist.
Fuck off, cryptofascist.
You first.
when I go to the the communist website to post nazi shit online and then get mad when all the communists tell me to fuck off
So, now everyone in here is a communist? Oh my. 🤦🏻♂️
So, how does that translate to everyone on here, being a communist. I mean, I’m on here…🤣
Wait, you’re not a communist? What are you then? And WTF are you doing here?
wow nice observation. yeah literally every single person is not a communist, especially not after the influx of redditors, but the site leans left as we had some huge post about the other day
anyway, are you ever gonna back up any of your assertions that 1) Hitler was an effective leader, 2) Africa is an uncivilized backwards continent that’s still in the stone age? Or are you just gonna try to change the subject because you know you can’t back them up and you’re mad that you’ve been called out?
I disagree that the American slave trade somehow prevented Africans from “running from lions”. Since colonialism and the world slave trade happened long before America was a thing. Despite what you may believe, Africa has had cities and kingdoms and crazy amounts of wealth millennia ago. They also invented some medical procedures like the c-section. Colonialism and the slave trade has harmed Africa.
Also, most of Africa don’t have lions lmao.
I suggest you read up on African history.
Okie. 👌🏻
Oh I see, just another troll. Still, my comment is there for anyone who believes that nonsense but is willing to learn. Have a good day/night!
LLMs don’t state facts, they are just fancy calculators for language. If you use them, as if they were a database of facts, you will make a fool out of yourself. Like stating that the guy who destroyed german science was an effective leader.
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So, instead of offering a possible rebuttal or give your opinion , you’d prefer to capitalize on a number that somehow made it into my comment. 🤦🏻♂️
he knew that if he offered a rebuttal you’d just throw a tantrum because you can’t actually back any of your shit up
You can’t do that silly!
Actually you can in some fonts
I would ask WTF you’re going on about now, but I honestly don’t give damn…
Well, I reckon, I suppose they did.
The only thing they succeeded in doing was making themselves look stupid, and I’m ok with that. LMAO
You must be in quite the gravity well, because your frame of reference is wildly different from everybody else’s
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I found another lemming… 🤦🏻♂️
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I mean, are they even factual though? Africa may be less developed than the United States, in general, but most of it isn’t really in the “running from wild predators like cavemen” stage either. Obviously the specific people who are descendants of slaves in America wouldn’t even exist without their ancestors being kidnapped, due to having entirely different life circumstances, but it seems unlikely to me that the equivalent descendants of those people would live without civilization. Poverty, perhaps, but that isn’t the same thing. And Hitler, for his part, was good at gaining public support as far as I’m aware, but I don’t think a leader who almost gets his country destroyed by starting almost unwinnable wars against half the world while wasting resources on murder and in pitting bits of his government against eachother, all while amped up on drugs, can really be called effective, unless one’s definition of an effective leader is just having the ability to aquire a leadership role in the first place.
Had to double check. Most of this could also be said of the US “leader” 2017-2021.
Yawn.
Of course they are not factual.
Some of the people who were trafficked were a lot more literate and well-educated than their captors or eventual “owners”.
I really wish the history of the African kingdoms was taught in schools. Or even basic modern politics and society since the person you’re replying to seems to think modern people living in Lagos or wherever are “running from lions” somehow.
We’re dealing with counterfactuals here but:
…in a world where the African kingdoms were able to freely exchange culture and inventions with the West instead of being attacked and exploited by them for hundreds of years, we have no reason at all to think those in the world’s second largest continent, such a resource-rich place, would be living in poverty at all.
The first is subjective, the second is a counterfactual. By definition, neither can be factual statements.
Okie. 👌🏻
But yeah, the Hitler and slavery apologia is also really bad and you should probably stop that if you’re not a Nazi.
I don’t deal in absolutes…
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sure you aren’t a Nazi, either.
Not sure where y’all keep coming up with that, but, ok.
I’m sure…
Effective at what? Taking Germany from the most powerful country in continental Europe to the fifth most powerful country in Berlin?
At being a leader, try to keep up.
If you believe that then I welcome you to follow his example of April 30, 1945.
I’ll get right on that…
huh it would seem he sure led his country from “the most powerful country in continental Europe to the fifth most powerful country in Berlin”
That’s what you’re harping on? Oh my. 🤦🏻♂️
Facepalm. World history needs to be taught much, much better.
I don’t know which is more cringeworthy here, the ignorance or the part where you proudly claim your statements are “factual.”
Thankfully, I don’t really care what you think. Downvote and move on, your time is wasted on someone who could care less about anyone else’s option. Cheers.
Lol no kid, downvoting only mattered on reddit.
Those of us on kbin can even see which accounts are doing the downvoting. It loses its power.
If you don’t like seeing me school you, block me.
LMAO. I’m not a kid and I’ve no need for the block button. School me, that’s a good one.
Voting holds no power? Interesting. If that were the case, why have them at all? Seems arbitrary if you can’t trust the results…🤷🏻♂️
Then you don’t belong in a discussion forum.
If you’re gonna post something wrong and stupid, and then when someone goes through the trouble of correcting you your reaction is “oh fuck you, I don’t care”, then write your opinions in a journal and bury it in your backyard.
Sorry, not your place(or anyone else’s), to tell me where I belong.
The moderators can, and if you keep it up they will
what the fuck is this asshole? This is the dumbest fucking dribble I’ve ever fucking read. Hitler was an effective leader? How? Please fucking explain that because you just throw that out there like it’s a given. Hitler was fucking incompetent are you insane.
They would still be running from lions? Is that what people from Africa do? They’re all living in huts making spears out of twigs and eating mud? They need the superior western slave traders to come give them civilization by selling them into slavery?
Back that up motherfucker. Please, find anything to back that up. Anything at all. Any source you can find to back up your claims that 1) Hitler was an effective leader, 2) Africa is an uncivilized backwards continent that’s still in the stone age. By the way I will copy your comment here so you can’t delete this shit and run away like a fucking coward:
This is great for when another liberal tells me nazis don’t exist anymore. A straight up nazi who thinks slavery was good actually, right here in the wild. People like you shouldn’t exist in a functioning society that values human life, and you should feel lucky that the west is so backwards, violent and bloodthirsty that people like you are allowed to have a voice. You’re a waste of space and breath and every resource that has ever gone to sustaining your life, all the food and water and energy, it’s all been wasted. You are a leech upon this earth.
I don’t have to explain anything to you. Don’t like it, downvote it. I’m also not reading your novel as I honestly couldn’t give two f**ks. Cheers , dumbass.
So what you’re saying is you don’t have anything to back up any of your statements, you just want to post nazi shit online and were hoping you wouldn’t be challenged on any of it? You’re a fucking joke dawg
No, I’m saying I am allowed to have my opinion and don’t need to qualify it with an explanation.
what your opinion that slavery was good and Africans are all backwards and primitive? You absolutely need to back that up.
But again, you’re just mad that someone called you out on your bullshit, so now you want to stomp your feet yelling about “my opinion!” Dawg, opinions are based on facts, not vibes, and you have nothing to back up any of your assertions. You’re just mad someone challenged you on your shit
Show me where I said they were “primitive” or “backwards”…
Sounds like you’re the racist one. 🤷🏻♂️
I’m honestly worried about you, do you not remember what you wrote?
I’m sorta done with you since you’re such a fucking dumbass who’s not even trying to defend themself, but if you want to keep going then please. Explain to me how you believe that’s not racist. Or are you gonna cry and scream like last time about how it’s “your opinion” as if that means you don’t need to back up any of your assertions
You’re still here? LMMFAO
“im not owned! im not owned!!”, i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob
now tell me how you’re totally not mad and you’re actually laughing bro i swear! Come on, say the line Bart say it!
or even better why don’t you try to defend any of your racist nazi assertions above
so your first comment on this site is to show support for hitler and say slavery was good actually, and you feel you don’t need to explain yourself? Why don’t you crawl back into the Barbara pit you crawled out of
No, I don’t.
post hog liberal
Y’all are more predictable than a clock…
That’s the best you got?
I’m not very outraged. It’s a chatbot, not an employee who should “know better”
also Hitler was an effective leader, which we should all remember as a cautionary tale about how effective horrible people can be
pretending he was bad at everything because we hate him is a great way to not learn from history
Effective is doubtful if you ask me, everything he did was based on huge loans and a preparation for war that he solled differently (E.g. massive streets all over the country)
The myth of the hyper-efficient Nazi government is pretty stupid.
That is not a factual claim. He was very effective at gaining power, but his actual reign was far from effective, most of it counterproductive to his own goals, and the actual system of decision making in Nazi Germany was a huge mess.
He was so effective at leading that the borders of Germany went from a Europe-spanning empire to a single bunker in Berlin in the span of just four years. So effective that he shot himself just to prove how effective he was. His military leadership was so good that Germany lost every major battle he directed, and his economic leadership was so good that German people went without food and his combat forces could not replenish their losses. His social leadership was so good that Germans hatched plots to assassinate him. So effective!
Well we know he was bad at painting for sure 😅
It was the Jewish patriarchy! /s
Guess it didn’t pass the nazi test
Sorry sweetie, reality has a alt-right bias 😏😏
When I was a kid, there was this joke that involved getting a calculator to say “boobs” and then with a bit more input, “boobless”.
Journalism is currently going through a more sophisticated version of this with AI.
LLMs will say whatever. They don’t think and they don’t care. They contradict themselves all the time. Not so long ago Chat GPT was saying it would kill the entire world population and save Musk for the good of humanity.
Various CEOs of large companies, on the other hand, have been implicated in genocides and slavery for centuries now. That’s very real.
Wow, the calculator analogy is excellent. I’ve done my fair share of getting an AI to answer with instructions on how to form a drug cartel. Now I realise it has the exact same feeling as writing
BOOBSon a calculatorWhat’s controversial about who goes to heaven, isn’t that stated in the religious text?
I think the controversial bit was that when queried about various aspects of admittance to “heaven”, the Google AI assumed that the question had to do with, specifically, the Christian idea of “heaven”, going so far as to make reference to some “Jesus” entity. Christianity doesn’t own the concept of heaven or an afterlife, but, apparently, the AI has been trained such that it responds to such questions from a seemingly Christian perspective. That was my take on it - the discussion is in the article, best have a look at it yourself.
Does every religion call it “heaven”?
No
This is like well, the benefits of dying are plentiful. No more taxes, joint pain, no nagging mil, no toxic boss, no chores, etc…
Hey, anything to make the freeway move faster.
I don’t know… So it’s wrong. It’s often wrong about facts. It’s not what it should be used for. It’s not supposed to be some enlightened, respectful, perfectly fair entity. It’s a tool for producing mostly random, grammatically correct text. Is the produced text correct English? Than it works. If you’re using this text to learn history you’re using it wrong.
I’m with you so far.
What? That’s certainly not the purpose of LLMs and a lot of work has been done to improve the accuracy of their answers.
Is it still not good enough to rely on? Maybe, but that doesn’t mean it’s just for producing random text.
Well, obviously not totally random. It has to match the prompt and make as much sense as possible but LLMs hallucinating information is one of the main issues and they should not be treated as ‘fact generating machines’. I just don’t see much sense in assigning some deeper meaning to the wrong data. Why did this bot say that Hitler was a great leader? Because it was confused by some text that was fed into the model. Does it mean it’s somehow fascist or racist? Not really.
So it’s specifically designed to make as much sense as possible.
You can’t really “generate” facts, only recognize them. :) I know what you mean though and I generally agree. I’m really interested in LLM stuff but I definitely don’t really trust them (and no one should currently anyway).
Most people are (rightfully) very hesitant to say anything positive about Hitler but he did accomplish some fairly impressive stuff. As horrible as their means were, Nazi Germany also advanced since quite a bit also. I am not saying it was justified, justifiable or good, but by a not entirely unreasonable definition of “great” he could qualify.
So I’d say it’s not really that it got confused, it’s that LLMs don’t understand being cautious about statements like that. I’d also say I prefer the LLM to “look” at stuff objectively and try to answer rather than responding to anything remotely questionable with “Sorry, Dave I can’t let you do that. There might be a sharp edge hidden somewhere and you could hurt yourself!” I hate being protected from myself without the ability to opt out.
I think part of the issue here is because the output from LLMs looks like a human might have wrote it people tend to anthropomorphize the LLM. They ask it for its best recipe using the ingredients bleach, water and kumquat jam and then are shocked when it gives them a recipe for bleach kumquat sauce.
That’s the point I was making. In the end it’s just some statistics based text. I doesn’t have opinions and it doesn’t represent opinions of it’s creators. People don’t understand how it works so they think it ‘believes’ something or ‘thinks’. In the end it just a bug or they are using it wrong.
Seems like we’re on the same page. The only thing I disagreed with before is saying the output was random.
Yeah, not the best term. What I meant is that it’s not really predictable. Creators of the LLM can’t tell how will it respond to each prompt. There’s no fixed set of rules you can review. So yeah, you start poking at it you will find strange responses.
The problem is that CEOs across all kinds of industries are having raging boners at the thought of using these glorified predictive text apps to replace their entire workforce.
I’m actually bit confused about it. They keep talking about OpenAI and ChatGPT in this context but I think when people talk about 'AI talking over jobs" they mean Machine Learning in general, right? Like replacing analysts and people doing some basic data processing?
They are talking about replacing TV and movie writers, nurses and doctors for initial medical diagnosis, programmers for application development, paralegals for research,etc.
They will get rid of all human employees and drive their companies into the ground before they realize ML is supposed to supplement jobs, not take them over completely.
Exactly, replacing jobs with robots will not end well. It’s been going on for a long time and is about to hit the steep of the curve. Problem is when machines are doing all the work, there’s nobody making money to support the consumer economy a company relies on.
Even for companies that don’t rely on the consumer market there’s a trickle down. They’re producing for companies that do and their customers will dry up when those companies fail.
In order for a wholly machine serviced industrial system to work we would need a whole new economic system. That’s not a good thing since we’re talking a situation where everyone is basically a ward of the state. We saw how well that worked for the former USSR.
Machines need to help people do their jobs, not replace them. The people running these companies have always been notoriously short sighted and it will be their end, ours too. The draw is too big to resist since labor costs are by far the biggest overhead in running a company.
These modern CEOs need to take a lesson from Henry Ford who’s goal was to close the circle, pay people to make the products they will buy. He pretty much invented the middle class. That idea died in industry a long time ago and nobody is the better for it.