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No surprises here. Just like the lockdown on iPhone screen and part replacements, Macbooks suffer from the same Apple’s anti-repair and anti-consumer bullshit. Battery glued, ssd soldered in and can’t even swap parts with other official parts. 6000$ laptop and you don’t even own it.
Playing devil advocate here. I owned second hand entry level first-gen MacBook Pro Retina that I bought in 2014. Still using it as my main laptop up until 2021 when I gave it to my nieces. On paper, It doesn’t have good repairability so-so specs, everything glued also, but it still working very well, battery still can last more than 4 hours, every apps still run reasonably smooth and dare I said fast.
On the other hand, my spouse bought a brand new ZenBook a year later, it has a bit better repairability, battery and ram are “easily” replaceable, and it have better specs, but the battery dies 3 years ago. Even when the battery still alive, the laptop is very unoptimized causing the fan ran all the time, consuming more electricity, and over time it becomes very sluggish. So now, it’s been hiding under closet now since maybe 4 years ago.
So I asked, what the use of repairability if at the end the component break easily. Sure you can replace it, but it just going to create more trash at the end. It’s also unoptimized so it use more energy. I take one hardened optimized laptop that can last longer versus one that can be user repairable easily but unoptimized, energy hungry, and easily break component.
The issue lies in assuming that repairable laptops cannot be optimized to the same extent as MacBooks. However, this assumption is inaccurate. While there might have been a problem with your Asus ZenBook, I can assure you that if you were to select a Windows laptop priced similarly to a MacBook, you would find a comparable level of optimization. Additionally, there’s the added benefit that you can swap out the battery when it starts going bad and upgrade the RAM and storage if you need to in the future
So you’re drawing the conclusion that a more repairable device is inherently going to be worse than a less repairable device but that’s not true.
A sample size of two is hardly statistically relevant. Especially because you’re completely discounting the possibility that you were unusually lucky with your Mac or unusually unlucky with the Zenbook.
Gluing the battery in, in no way makes it last longer. The biggest problem here seems to be that the fan profile is not optimised, but that won’t have a significant effect on the battery because while it increases charge discharge cycles, it doesn’t increase them by that much. You probably just had a dud battery.
How about if normalized not fucking linking YouTube videos for topics that seem like news?
I will read an article but I’m not going to click through and watch some random ass length video from some random ass “content creator” who probably has a worthless opinion to begin with.
Also I’m not going to always be in a position where I can just have my phone start playing video with audio. And I’m not going to get my headphones out of my bag just so I can listen to a video that I probably am not actually that interested in.
I have m2 max provided by work. I would never pay for this piece of shit with great battery life… if only out IT supported Linux, I would switch to framework in no time!
kinda sucks that no one makes hardware as good as Apple. with other laptops, there’s always some sort of compromise. I have a ThinkPad and the keyboard is great, the screen is great, but the speakers are complete dogshit and the trackpad isn’t all that good.
Have a look at the Sensel haptic touchpad used in the X1 Titanium Yoga. It’s a touchpad that’s actually better than Apple’s. It’s a shame it only got used in like 2 devices so far.
Apple is making really good hardware but we should stop buying it because of what they are doing against repairabality or because of the fact that they trying to capture you in their ecosystem.
They’ve significantly overcharged for their products for the past 20 years. If you can’t get people to give a fuck about the bottom line, good luck getting them to care about anything else
I have a MBP 2015 and I love all the integrations with other stuff like my iPhone and Apple Watch, but every time I see a convenience feature like “Scan from iPhone” I just stop for a second and think “Imagine that was an open source, documented API that any developer could both hook into and implement into something like Windows or Linux.”
Apple is so good at making everything just work when everything is Apple. Truly, I think if this problem was solved for PC users, it would take away from Apple’s market share
True, though Apple does contribute some things, like MagSafe for iPhones is becoming part of Qi 2. I think Apple get a bad rep just because they’re a large target sometimes, but I don’t recall other big platforms releasing a bunch of their work as FLOSS either.
I’m also on the fence about the repairability thing. It’s nice to be able to open up an old computer to add more RAM/Storage/etc., but I also get that making everything integrated and soldered improves durability and reliability. I do think they take that a little too far sometimes. While RAM/SSDs should typically last a long time, the battery life often becomes the limiting factor for usability so making that repair simpler would go a long way. Pricing can be hard to bite too, while I don’t mind the idea of soldered RAM, I don’t like that upgrades are pretty heavily marked up compared to most manufacturers.
Then again, I’m still in the ecosystem, so unless there’s some government oversight setting standards for Apple to follow they’ll continue doing what’s profitable and their sales keep steadily growing despite the occasional bad press.
It’s nice to be able to open up an old computer to add more RAM/Storage/etc., but also get that making everything integrated and soldered improves durability and reliability.
If you’re willing to believe that soldering in a hard drive has anything at all to do with reliability I don’t even know what to tell you. The fact they apple will, with a straight face, charge $300+ to upgrade from 256gb of ssd capacity to 512gb should also be a clue…you can get 1tb for that price. and that price gauging on selling the customer parts at over 100% markup is the sole reason they solder them in.
As someone who generally makes a point to buy laptops with as much upgradeability as possible, I ended up going with an M1 Pro then M2 Max MBP.
I really don’t like how much Apple charges for RAM and storage and that I’m stuck with 32GB and 1TB until I buy an entire new laptop, but I just can’t ignore how ridiculously powerful and efficient Apple Silicon is for programming, compiling, and even limited gaming.
It also helps that it’s made of metal, unlike most PC laptops at similar prices. I’ve always had terrible luck with plastic bodies: broken hinges, broken traces on the motherboard from excessive flexing, etc.
In my fantasy utopia, Apple would have slots for adding extra storage and “slow” RAM to all its computers, but that’s not happening.
I’m a big believer in self-repair. And right to repair. I buy framework laptops. Because I believe.
I just can’t deny however that Apple MacBooks last forever. I personally have a MacBook that still working after 9 years. Right to repair has less meaning when the laptop lasts a decade.
So my current recommendation to people is get a MacBook Air, but if they’re technical, then I recommend a framework
“last forever” is an overstatement, the lastest macOS only supports device until 2017: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264 ; That is only 6 years old, that is around the phone support period around a later pixel phone, which is not even a company that focus on sustainability.
Although you can probably throw linux on it to extend its life, but I dont know if it is as easy as install it on a normal laptop.
On Intel Macs, Linux is pretty easy to install. A lot of people put a lot of work into having most Macs just work out of the box on Linux.
On Apple Silicon, most of that work is still unfinished. Asahi Linux is the main project to get Linux on M1/M2, and the goal is to upstream everything, but it’s a long road.
Either way, the sheer popularity of Macs basically guarantees a usable experience on Linux. It’s just going to take a bit for Apple Silicon to catch up.
Also, I think “last forever” with Macs is more about the hardware itself. It’s hard to deny the build quality is really good (except the keyboard from 2016-2020 on MBPs), and I’ve seen people using 2011 MBAs stuck on Catalina as their daily drivers because the hardware just keeps working.
You’re right. They’re official timelines aren’t super duper long. But it’s still longer than any other laptop I’ve ever owned. I’m not supporting Apple here. I’m just acknowledging their laptops last a very long time. To the point where most people are going to upgrade out of the laptop before it breaks on them. That at least that’s my personal experience
I am confused, it seems like two of macOS’s competitor: windows and linux, all have much longer support period than apple.
I am using a surface laptop 2 which is almost 5 years old, and given that there is no major version of windows planned, it is hard to imagine that it will become unsupported in 2 years.
Granted many people unnecessarily update their hardware, simply because “new one is better”, which is honestly a quiet disappointing trend for me. From my personal experience, apple product buyer seems to have a higher tendency to engage in this trend, for reason unclear to me.
The major difference is Windows and Linux are not as tightly coupled as Mac OS. You can have a Windows laptop which gets updates to Windows operating system even though the hardware is no longer getting driver updates. So if there’s a known security issue in your Bluetooth driver for example, nothing will get patched. And you will continue going forward blissfully unaware that you’re exposed to a major security vulnerability because Windows itself is not responsible for your Bluetooth driver. And the same for Linux. Just because it can run on the hardware doesn’t mean the ecosystem is being maintained.
Apples is the extreme other end of the spectrum. Everything on the computer is being maintained by Apple every piece of hardware is getting hardware updates from Apple, and they’re integrated into the operating system. So because of that Apple’s providing stronger guarantees if you’re within the support window. If you fall out of the support window you can still hack the Mac to run the new versions of Mac OS, and you can still run the old versions of Mac OS without updates.
So it’s down to the business guarantees that you’re being given by the ecosystem. Apple gives very strong guarantees for a very long period of time.
Windows gives weak guarantees for a very very long period of time, and strong guarantees almost never. Unless you’re buying directly from Microsoft and even then they’re not guaranteeing hardware updates for every piece of hardware in the system.
The issue is not so much Apple but the lack of real challenger. If only Sony didn’t give up on the PC market. I guess they bought in about tablets killing the conventional PC.
The raw performance isn’t everything for me. I already have a gaming laptop that pumps out heat like a 1500W space heater even when it’s not doing anything. I really didn’t want that in a second laptop, especially with how bad my experience has been with Windows’ Connected Standby, where the laptop will just sometimes decide to fully wake up in a bag and overheat and drain the battery.
There were a lot of reasons I went with a Mac for this, but one of the biggest ones was how efficient Apple Silicon is. The M2 Max may take an extra minute or two to compile a large project vs an i9-13900HX, but it also manages to not give me first degree burns if I want to use it on my lap.
I have a lot of problems with Apple and their decisions around macOS and hardware pricing, but for me, that efficiency ratio was really important. I’m not trying to say everyone should buy a Mac, but if we’re “saying it like it is”, Apple Silicon is years ahead of Intel, AMD, and even Qualcomm for high performance portability. That trade-off might not be worth it to you, and that’s fine, but there’s literally no competition for what I needed.
The fact of the matter is that the M2 Max rarely goes above 70C under load, even with Apple’s ridiculously conservative fan curve, while pretty much every x86 laptop I’ve owned idles right around there.
A lot of people who talk about how bad Apple laptops are ignore how the rest of the industry is basically moving towards Apple’s design language, but doing it cheaply. If you hate apple, you’ll hate HP even more.
I had that. I must say I loved that thing. I used it to death, although that said I only really got around 5-6 years out of it. Replaced the battery once the motherboard once, the fan once, the charger twice. Hmmmm.
It performed absolutely admirably throughout its lifetime though and it had a nice big screen even if it made it quite a chonker. I really appreciate the expansion slot because I was able to give it USB3.0 slots even though it didn’t have any when it came out.
Yea I hate the way Apple is treating customers with upgrades but they make a damn good product that is unbeatable compared directly. I hope hackintosh lives on. I hope there’s better efficiency to power ratio on PCs. I’m hoping my current Mac could be my last Mac.
i would love for you to define a version of ownership which doesn’t include being permitted to do what you’d like with it (barring interactions with other human beings – ie no you can’t bring guns with you everywhere because that implicitly threatens other people)
acknowledges a right for a natural or legal person to "peaceful enjoyment of his possessions
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
No repair mention anywhere so idk what youre on about, also by your logic you dont own your 1950 fridge anymore because theres no one left to repair it, your argument is so stupid
No repair mention anywhere so idk what youre on about, also by your logic you dont own your 1950 fridge anymore because theres no one left to repair it, your argument is so stupid
He’s talking about the right to repair you’re own stuff or have someone look at it. Not the right to a competent repairman. Those are two different things. I am not sure if you’re arguing in bad faith or if this is just a mistake to be honest.
Does someone forbid you from repairing it? I am not sure if you’re arguing in bad faith or if this is just a mistake to be honest.>>>
No answer, evil government took him out after taking away his repair rights >.< (which rights arent even mentioned anywhere so idk what the fuck u feel entitled to that is allegedly being taken away here)
so how do you enjoy your possessions peacefully if they break? is repairing them…not peaceful?
No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
So if it breaks, and i can’t repair it, then I lose this property.
Now, one area where i had not previously gone but makes sense in this particular statement, is that if a company prevents you from repairing your equipment and that company is either unwilling (ie they banned you for trying to repair your john deere yourself) or unable (ie bankrupt) to repair your equipment, is that not depriving you of property? Or do you consider the failure of the property to be an act of god which the vendor is in no way responsible for, even if they deliberately design the system to fail you?
That obviously means government recognizing you have the right to own it and not arbitrarily depriving you of your property, maybe the other declaration below should have given you a clue 🤠. Now if u wanna claim the “peace” is referring to your mental state, then I can also claim I’m not at peace if my stuff cant give me a blowjob. Be reasonable and stop grasping at straws.
So if it breaks, and i can’t repair it, then I lose this property.
No, if your property breaks you still own property, broken property. The company is only responsible for a certain lifespan, it is called guarantee, dont like it, dont buy it.
if a company prevents you from repairing your equipment
They dont you are allowed to do whatever you want to it
that company is either unwilling
Theyre only responsible for guarantee
do you consider the failure of the property to be an act of god which the vendor is in no way responsible for
I just recently had a 2020 gen MacBook pro die on me. When I took it to the genius bar, they said that it was a power issue that they couldn’t repair unless they changed the whole logic board which would cost me $500 and without the ability to recover the data on the soldered SSD. What’s worse is that they sent me to a 3rd party data recovery company to recover my data for $1200. I ended up declining the data recovery and just accepted that my data is gone and bought a thinkpad to replace the laptop.
Activation lock prevents the device from functioning without the consent of the owner, but if the owner is locked out of their iCloud account, the device is a brick.
Serializing components has the side effect of preventing activation locked devices from being harvested for parts. Unfortunately, this also means that perfectly working parts cannot be used to repair other iPhones.
It’s very hard to walk that fine line between anti-theft and repair. The way Apple is doing it definitely seems to be with an anti-third-party-repair goal, though.
I personally think activation lock is fine, but serializing components is not.
Always like people that fight for right to repair!
Anyone know if Louis Rossman and these and other people have done collabs or something similar?
Louis Anthony Rossmann (born November 19, 1988) [2] [3] is an American independent repair technician, YouTuber, and right to repair activist. He is the owner and operator of Rossmann Repair Group in Austin, Texas (formerly New York City ), a computer repair shop established in 2007 which specializes in logic board-level repair of MacBooks.
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Playing devil advocate here. I owned second hand entry level first-gen MacBook Pro Retina that I bought in 2014. Still using it as my main laptop up until 2021 when I gave it to my nieces. On paper, It doesn’t have good repairability so-so specs, everything glued also, but it still working very well, battery still can last more than 4 hours, every apps still run reasonably smooth and dare I said fast.
On the other hand, my spouse bought a brand new ZenBook a year later, it has a bit better repairability, battery and ram are “easily” replaceable, and it have better specs, but the battery dies 3 years ago. Even when the battery still alive, the laptop is very unoptimized causing the fan ran all the time, consuming more electricity, and over time it becomes very sluggish. So now, it’s been hiding under closet now since maybe 4 years ago.
So I asked, what the use of repairability if at the end the component break easily. Sure you can replace it, but it just going to create more trash at the end. It’s also unoptimized so it use more energy. I take one hardened optimized laptop that can last longer versus one that can be user repairable easily but unoptimized, energy hungry, and easily break component.
The issue lies in assuming that repairable laptops cannot be optimized to the same extent as MacBooks. However, this assumption is inaccurate. While there might have been a problem with your Asus ZenBook, I can assure you that if you were to select a Windows laptop priced similarly to a MacBook, you would find a comparable level of optimization. Additionally, there’s the added benefit that you can swap out the battery when it starts going bad and upgrade the RAM and storage if you need to in the future
So you’re drawing the conclusion that a more repairable device is inherently going to be worse than a less repairable device but that’s not true.
A sample size of two is hardly statistically relevant. Especially because you’re completely discounting the possibility that you were unusually lucky with your Mac or unusually unlucky with the Zenbook.
Gluing the battery in, in no way makes it last longer. The biggest problem here seems to be that the fan profile is not optimised, but that won’t have a significant effect on the battery because while it increases charge discharge cycles, it doesn’t increase them by that much. You probably just had a dud battery.
Did anyone actually watch the video? Like I’m sure as shit not, but wondering if anyone else did. Guessing no scrolling through the comments.
How about if normalized not fucking linking YouTube videos for topics that seem like news?
I will read an article but I’m not going to click through and watch some random ass length video from some random ass “content creator” who probably has a worthless opinion to begin with.
Yup. I’m subbed to the handful I find worthwhile, so just give me text for the rest.
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Also I’m not going to always be in a position where I can just have my phone start playing video with audio. And I’m not going to get my headphones out of my bag just so I can listen to a video that I probably am not actually that interested in.
I wish people would just post synopses.
Amen. I don’t even want to watch a news video over an article let alone some rando 18min YouTube video.
100%
Pure garbage… Won’t even usually click it if I notice.
I have m2 max provided by work. I would never pay for this piece of shit with great battery life… if only out IT supported Linux, I would switch to framework in no time!
kinda sucks that no one makes hardware as good as Apple. with other laptops, there’s always some sort of compromise. I have a ThinkPad and the keyboard is great, the screen is great, but the speakers are complete dogshit and the trackpad isn’t all that good.
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Have a look at the Sensel haptic touchpad used in the X1 Titanium Yoga. It’s a touchpad that’s actually better than Apple’s. It’s a shame it only got used in like 2 devices so far.
You have the glasstop trackpad? They’re relatively cheap and simple to install if not…
I do, it’s fine at best. doesn’t really come anywhere close to the Apple trackpads.
Yeah nah. There are more reasons why Apple TrackPads are great not just glass.
They don’t do macOS. That’s an Apple issue.
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I have a Framework, and I love it. The trackpad isn’t as good as a MacBook’s.
Biggest part of Apple I hate…but at the same time I love how powerful those m processors are.
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Apple is making really good hardware but we should stop buying it because of what they are doing against repairabality or because of the fact that they trying to capture you in their ecosystem.
They’ve significantly overcharged for their products for the past 20 years. If you can’t get people to give a fuck about the bottom line, good luck getting them to care about anything else
I have a MBP 2015 and I love all the integrations with other stuff like my iPhone and Apple Watch, but every time I see a convenience feature like “Scan from iPhone” I just stop for a second and think “Imagine that was an open source, documented API that any developer could both hook into and implement into something like Windows or Linux.”
Apple is so good at making everything just work when everything is Apple. Truly, I think if this problem was solved for PC users, it would take away from Apple’s market share
True, though Apple does contribute some things, like MagSafe for iPhones is becoming part of Qi 2. I think Apple get a bad rep just because they’re a large target sometimes, but I don’t recall other big platforms releasing a bunch of their work as FLOSS either.
I’m also on the fence about the repairability thing. It’s nice to be able to open up an old computer to add more RAM/Storage/etc., but I also get that making everything integrated and soldered improves durability and reliability. I do think they take that a little too far sometimes. While RAM/SSDs should typically last a long time, the battery life often becomes the limiting factor for usability so making that repair simpler would go a long way. Pricing can be hard to bite too, while I don’t mind the idea of soldered RAM, I don’t like that upgrades are pretty heavily marked up compared to most manufacturers.
Then again, I’m still in the ecosystem, so unless there’s some government oversight setting standards for Apple to follow they’ll continue doing what’s profitable and their sales keep steadily growing despite the occasional bad press.
If you’re willing to believe that soldering in a hard drive has anything at all to do with reliability I don’t even know what to tell you. The fact they apple will, with a straight face, charge $300+ to upgrade from 256gb of ssd capacity to 512gb should also be a clue…you can get 1tb for that price. and that price gauging on selling the customer parts at over 100% markup is the sole reason they solder them in.
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As someone who generally makes a point to buy laptops with as much upgradeability as possible, I ended up going with an M1 Pro then M2 Max MBP.
I really don’t like how much Apple charges for RAM and storage and that I’m stuck with 32GB and 1TB until I buy an entire new laptop, but I just can’t ignore how ridiculously powerful and efficient Apple Silicon is for programming, compiling, and even limited gaming.
It also helps that it’s made of metal, unlike most PC laptops at similar prices. I’ve always had terrible luck with plastic bodies: broken hinges, broken traces on the motherboard from excessive flexing, etc.
In my fantasy utopia, Apple would have slots for adding extra storage and “slow” RAM to all its computers, but that’s not happening.
I’m a big believer in self-repair. And right to repair. I buy framework laptops. Because I believe.
I just can’t deny however that Apple MacBooks last forever. I personally have a MacBook that still working after 9 years. Right to repair has less meaning when the laptop lasts a decade.
So my current recommendation to people is get a MacBook Air, but if they’re technical, then I recommend a framework
“last forever” is an overstatement, the lastest macOS only supports device until 2017: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264 ; That is only 6 years old, that is around the phone support period around a later pixel phone, which is not even a company that focus on sustainability.
Although you can probably throw linux on it to extend its life, but I dont know if it is as easy as install it on a normal laptop.
On Intel Macs, Linux is pretty easy to install. A lot of people put a lot of work into having most Macs just work out of the box on Linux.
On Apple Silicon, most of that work is still unfinished. Asahi Linux is the main project to get Linux on M1/M2, and the goal is to upstream everything, but it’s a long road.
Either way, the sheer popularity of Macs basically guarantees a usable experience on Linux. It’s just going to take a bit for Apple Silicon to catch up.
Also, I think “last forever” with Macs is more about the hardware itself. It’s hard to deny the build quality is really good (except the keyboard from 2016-2020 on MBPs), and I’ve seen people using 2011 MBAs stuck on Catalina as their daily drivers because the hardware just keeps working.
You’re right. They’re official timelines aren’t super duper long. But it’s still longer than any other laptop I’ve ever owned. I’m not supporting Apple here. I’m just acknowledging their laptops last a very long time. To the point where most people are going to upgrade out of the laptop before it breaks on them. That at least that’s my personal experience
I am confused, it seems like two of macOS’s competitor: windows and linux, all have much longer support period than apple.
I am using a surface laptop 2 which is almost 5 years old, and given that there is no major version of windows planned, it is hard to imagine that it will become unsupported in 2 years.
Granted many people unnecessarily update their hardware, simply because “new one is better”, which is honestly a quiet disappointing trend for me. From my personal experience, apple product buyer seems to have a higher tendency to engage in this trend, for reason unclear to me.
The major difference is Windows and Linux are not as tightly coupled as Mac OS. You can have a Windows laptop which gets updates to Windows operating system even though the hardware is no longer getting driver updates. So if there’s a known security issue in your Bluetooth driver for example, nothing will get patched. And you will continue going forward blissfully unaware that you’re exposed to a major security vulnerability because Windows itself is not responsible for your Bluetooth driver. And the same for Linux. Just because it can run on the hardware doesn’t mean the ecosystem is being maintained.
Apples is the extreme other end of the spectrum. Everything on the computer is being maintained by Apple every piece of hardware is getting hardware updates from Apple, and they’re integrated into the operating system. So because of that Apple’s providing stronger guarantees if you’re within the support window. If you fall out of the support window you can still hack the Mac to run the new versions of Mac OS, and you can still run the old versions of Mac OS without updates.
So it’s down to the business guarantees that you’re being given by the ecosystem. Apple gives very strong guarantees for a very long period of time.
Windows gives weak guarantees for a very very long period of time, and strong guarantees almost never. Unless you’re buying directly from Microsoft and even then they’re not guaranteeing hardware updates for every piece of hardware in the system.
And Linux gives no guarantees for hardware
Point of clarification, that’s only for upgrading the OS, not for security patches. Those go back further, with a recent example covering 10-year-old models.
The issue is not so much Apple but the lack of real challenger. If only Sony didn’t give up on the PC market. I guess they bought in about tablets killing the conventional PC.
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The raw performance isn’t everything for me. I already have a gaming laptop that pumps out heat like a 1500W space heater even when it’s not doing anything. I really didn’t want that in a second laptop, especially with how bad my experience has been with Windows’ Connected Standby, where the laptop will just sometimes decide to fully wake up in a bag and overheat and drain the battery.
There were a lot of reasons I went with a Mac for this, but one of the biggest ones was how efficient Apple Silicon is. The M2 Max may take an extra minute or two to compile a large project vs an i9-13900HX, but it also manages to not give me first degree burns if I want to use it on my lap.
I have a lot of problems with Apple and their decisions around macOS and hardware pricing, but for me, that efficiency ratio was really important. I’m not trying to say everyone should buy a Mac, but if we’re “saying it like it is”, Apple Silicon is years ahead of Intel, AMD, and even Qualcomm for high performance portability. That trade-off might not be worth it to you, and that’s fine, but there’s literally no competition for what I needed.
The fact of the matter is that the M2 Max rarely goes above 70C under load, even with Apple’s ridiculously conservative fan curve, while pretty much every x86 laptop I’ve owned idles right around there.
Every other post is about how shitty of a company HP is, I’m not sure you’d be winning any integrity points.
A lot of people who talk about how bad Apple laptops are ignore how the rest of the industry is basically moving towards Apple’s design language, but doing it cheaply. If you hate apple, you’ll hate HP even more.
I have a 2011 MacBook Air and it isn’t supported anymore but I’ve put Fedora Linux on it. It’s snappy and the track pad is still fantastic.
My 2008 MBP is still running with a Linux distro. It was more for the fun than the usability with the Core2duo and 2go of ram.
I had that. I must say I loved that thing. I used it to death, although that said I only really got around 5-6 years out of it. Replaced the battery once the motherboard once, the fan once, the charger twice. Hmmmm.
It performed absolutely admirably throughout its lifetime though and it had a nice big screen even if it made it quite a chonker. I really appreciate the expansion slot because I was able to give it USB3.0 slots even though it didn’t have any when it came out.
I have a 2015 Macbook Retina (mid 2014) that I only have to replace the charger, replace the screen (staingate), and the speaker.
Laptop of Theseus? Is the laptop the shell or is it it’s motherboard?
Yea I hate the way Apple is treating customers with upgrades but they make a damn good product that is unbeatable compared directly. I hope hackintosh lives on. I hope there’s better efficiency to power ratio on PCs. I’m hoping my current Mac could be my last Mac.
This is why I’m still rocking a 2012 MacBook pro that I’ve repaired several times
Git gud at smd soldering dingdongs
On these machines they are proprietary SSD chips that you can’t buy anywhere.
* pulls out a hot air gun, looks sexily at the camera and winks *
“Yeah, baby!”
You’ll own nothing and be happy.
No third party repairs = not owning? May I suggest a dictionary
i would love for you to define a version of ownership which doesn’t include being permitted to do what you’d like with it (barring interactions with other human beings – ie no you can’t bring guns with you everywhere because that implicitly threatens other people)
i would love for you to define a version of ownership where you being unable to find someone to pay to repair your shit means you do not own it
actually most of human history – its a relatively modern invention that you should not be permitted to repair your own property
for example from 1939, it was taken as a given that repair was within the rights of the property owner: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/233177352.pdf
its also part of most property definitions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_property
From your link
acknowledges a right for a natural or legal person to "peaceful enjoyment of his possessions
1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
No repair mention anywhere so idk what youre on about, also by your logic you dont own your 1950 fridge anymore because theres no one left to repair it, your argument is so stupid
He’s talking about the right to repair you’re own stuff or have someone look at it. Not the right to a competent repairman. Those are two different things. I am not sure if you’re arguing in bad faith or if this is just a mistake to be honest.
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Does someone forbid you from repairing it? I am not sure if you’re arguing in bad faith or if this is just a mistake to be honest.>>>
No answer, evil government took him out after taking away his repair rights >.< (which rights arent even mentioned anywhere so idk what the fuck u feel entitled to that is allegedly being taken away here)
so how do you enjoy your possessions peacefully if they break? is repairing them…not peaceful?
So if it breaks, and i can’t repair it, then I lose this property.
Now, one area where i had not previously gone but makes sense in this particular statement, is that if a company prevents you from repairing your equipment and that company is either unwilling (ie they banned you for trying to repair your john deere yourself) or unable (ie bankrupt) to repair your equipment, is that not depriving you of property? Or do you consider the failure of the property to be an act of god which the vendor is in no way responsible for, even if they deliberately design the system to fail you?
That obviously means government recognizing you have the right to own it and not arbitrarily depriving you of your property, maybe the other declaration below should have given you a clue 🤠. Now if u wanna claim the “peace” is referring to your mental state, then I can also claim I’m not at peace if my stuff cant give me a blowjob. Be reasonable and stop grasping at straws.
No, if your property breaks you still own property, broken property. The company is only responsible for a certain lifespan, it is called guarantee, dont like it, dont buy it.
They dont you are allowed to do whatever you want to it
Theyre only responsible for guarantee
He is responsible for guarantee
I just recently had a 2020 gen MacBook pro die on me. When I took it to the genius bar, they said that it was a power issue that they couldn’t repair unless they changed the whole logic board which would cost me $500 and without the ability to recover the data on the soldered SSD. What’s worse is that they sent me to a 3rd party data recovery company to recover my data for $1200. I ended up declining the data recovery and just accepted that my data is gone and bought a thinkpad to replace the laptop.
You may want to check out these two videos.
https://youtu.be/OVZTBhVV5tI
https://youtu.be/0qbrLiGY4Cg
I’d really like to buy a Mac mini but that mark up on RAM is insane, with that money I can get 8x the same amount of DDR 5
The base config it’s too limited and I can’t accept to pay 250 euro for 8 extra gigs of RAM and another 250 euro for 250 extra gigs of SSD
Now if they just sold an ITX M2 motherboard with slots for DDR 5, m.2 and PCI express, I could pay 800 euro for that…
But then it would be upgradable, and they’d lose on squeezing as much out of you as possible.
I’m happy because they make them unstealable and unresellable. Same for iPhones. A fair trade-off. I could never use any other ecosystem
What does that even mean?
Anti-theft, which is a dual-edged sword.
Activation lock prevents the device from functioning without the consent of the owner, but if the owner is locked out of their iCloud account, the device is a brick.
Serializing components has the side effect of preventing activation locked devices from being harvested for parts. Unfortunately, this also means that perfectly working parts cannot be used to repair other iPhones.
It’s very hard to walk that fine line between anti-theft and repair. The way Apple is doing it definitely seems to be with an anti-third-party-repair goal, though.
I personally think activation lock is fine, but serializing components is not.
Maybe they have stock in an ewaste disposal company. Apple creates a lot of that, now that they’re unrepairable and un-resale-able.
It means they were dropped on their head as a child.
Why would any of this make them not resellable or stealable, as if there aren’t loads of iPhones and MacBooks on ebay?
Good luck getting top dollar for an activation locked device. If you paid full price for one of those, you got scammed.
Awesome!
Always like people that fight for right to repair!
Anyone know if Louis Rossman and these and other people have done collabs or something similar?