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I’m completely speechless. This looks so terrible I thought it was a joke, but apparently Nvidia released these demos to impress people. DLSS 5 runs the entire game through an AI filter, making every character look like it’s running through an ultra realistic beauty filter.
The photo above is used as the promo image for the official blog post by the way. It completely ignores artistic intent and makes Grace’s face look “sexier” because apparently that’s what realism looks like now.
I wouldn’t be so baffled if this was some experimental setting they were testing, but they’re advertising this as the next gen DLSS. As in, this is their image of what the future of gaming should be. A massive F U to every artist in the industry. Well done, Nvidia.
The right image looks more realistic. Where exactly is the problem? Do you prefer smooth glossy doll-like models? I’m sure this “filter” will be optional.
I think a bigger issue is the fact that they override the original artists’ intentions and expressions. It’s like if you painted a painting and AI is like, hey let me just touch up everything for you that I think you fucked up.
It’s not the quality that is the point here, as much as that sucks too.
Supposedly this trash will run on a single GPU at launch, but this still feels like a subtle push toward shit like geforce and taking ownership away from the consumer
it doesn’t look “more realistic”, it completely changes the character’s appearance: hair that looks dyed, redder & fuller lips, more prominent cheekbones, a more defined chin, and eyes that instead of kinda looking away avoidedly, now stare at your soul through the screen (although that one might be just the lighting, idk)
basically this except more subtle, but the idea is the same, make her look more attractive under the guise of realism. it’s gross on its own, but the implications are even worse imo, just giving gooner chuds the tools to turn any game into the porn of their dreams, fuck art amirite? it’s literally turning everything you see on the computer into a unique serving of slop, every copy of mario 64 is personalized except instead of interesting analog horror each player gets to discuss how big peach’s tits were on their version
I still don’t understand all the extreme anti-ai cult in these types of contexts. Oh well.
Whatever ai did, the right image looks better than the left.
I honestly think the anti ai thing has a lot of crowd mentality aspects to it. There’s reasons to dislike some of what big ai business is doing, more reasons to push for regulation. But this specific example? I got nothin…
People have repeatedly in this thread talked about how it also added details that were not hinted in the original, and in part it looks like adding makeup, which could totally undermine a character or setting if they are unlikely to care about our have time for makeup.
Characters that have barely survived in the wilderness for weeks somehow wearing lipstick and eyeliner and eyeshadow… That’s the sort of thing that can happen with this approach.
It’s like when people look at a film deliberately animated with a particular framerate, see the version where someone had AI interpolate the frames to make it like 120 FPS, then say it looks objectively better than the original, because the only metric they can value a piece of media by at that point just seems to be “I need more frames”
Like In Into the Spider-Verse, when Miles is animated at 12 FPS, and the (more experienced) Peter Parker is animated at 24 FPS, but after Miles improves and gets a better hold of his skills, he gets animated at 24 FPS, too. The lower framerate subconsciously makes us interpret his movements as more choppy, inexperienced, and imprecise, on top of his existing animated movements, to even better sell the plot point of his inexperience.
Meanwhile, many people’s TVs have motion smoothing, which entirely destroys this effect and makes the film fundamentally less communicative as a result, even if on the surface people just say “It’s smoother so it’s better.”
I mean that’s exactly what you’re saying if you genuinely thing that yassified filtered dogshit with atrocious lighting actually somehow looks better and retains the artists’ intent
You don’t think Grace would have dolled herself up to go investigate the burned out hotel where her mother was murdered as soon as she finished having a panic attack?
So why don’t you explain what you meant because it sure sounds to the rest of us that you’re basically “yah brah totally hotter this way YOLO hang loose wooo!” and completely missing the point on how destructive this is to the creative process and the art that goes into making a game.
This is Nvidia doing this, right? I don’t see why they wouldn’t try and improve the graphics in games when using their graphics cards. DLSS has been criticized as it’s continued to improve. If people use it it’s because they prefer the graphics with the minimal impact on FPS.
Again, I don’t think I’ve commented on Ithe impact on artists. Since you insist, I’ll comment on it. Y’all raise interesting points. I’m not sure what’s in the best interest for super stressed, underpaid, and underappreciated game developers. If this leads to them selling more games because they can run on cheaper hardware then maybe it’s great. If it completely distorts some face they worked really hard on then maybe that sucks.
That said, I’m just not gonna pretend the one on the right doesn’t look more realistic and I wanted to disrupt the echoes
And as everyone knows, you MUST enjoy something EXACTLY as the creator intended. That’s why when you go to restaurants you’re not allowed to ask for substitutions. Your preferences don’t matter in the slightest, because you risk offending the chef.
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The right image looks more realistic. Where exactly is the problem? Do you prefer smooth glossy doll-like models? I’m sure this “filter” will be optional.
The textures are flat on purpose so the AI filter looks “more detailed” in comparison.
They don’t have to be like this, see this Callisto Protocol 2022 screenshot no weird AI filter needed.
Definitely. Boot up the game and look at the actual graphics. Their “OFF” pictures look terrible.
It looks like it applied some make-up and changed the hair colour.
bruh it looks like shit lmao
I think a bigger issue is the fact that they override the original artists’ intentions and expressions. It’s like if you painted a painting and AI is like, hey let me just touch up everything for you that I think you fucked up.
It’s not the quality that is the point here, as much as that sucks too.
How about the part where they had to use 2 RTX 5090’s to do this? One for the game and one for DLSS 5?
Please try and justify that.
Supposedly this trash will run on a single GPU at launch, but this still feels like a subtle push toward shit like geforce and taking ownership away from the consumer
Easy, if it needs that much GPU and even one GPU is hard to find, then it could make someone rent their games from Nvidia to use their GPUs…
Oh. Did you mean justify for the user? Lol, no, only the interests of nvidia matter.
it doesn’t look “more realistic”, it completely changes the character’s appearance: hair that looks dyed, redder & fuller lips, more prominent cheekbones, a more defined chin, and eyes that instead of kinda looking away avoidedly, now stare at your soul through the screen (although that one might be just the lighting, idk)
basically this except more subtle, but the idea is the same, make her look more attractive under the guise of realism. it’s gross on its own, but the implications are even worse imo, just giving gooner chuds the tools to turn any game into the porn of their dreams, fuck art amirite? it’s literally turning everything you see on the computer into a unique serving of slop, every copy of mario 64 is personalized except instead of interesting analog horror each player gets to discuss how big peach’s tits were on their version
If I was an artist that worked on the game and had this shit forced on my product it would make me fucking furious!
I still don’t understand all the extreme anti-ai cult in these types of contexts. Oh well.
Whatever ai did, the right image looks better than the left.
I honestly think the anti ai thing has a lot of crowd mentality aspects to it. There’s reasons to dislike some of what big ai business is doing, more reasons to push for regulation. But this specific example? I got nothin…
People have repeatedly in this thread talked about how it also added details that were not hinted in the original, and in part it looks like adding makeup, which could totally undermine a character or setting if they are unlikely to care about our have time for makeup.
Characters that have barely survived in the wilderness for weeks somehow wearing lipstick and eyeliner and eyeshadow… That’s the sort of thing that can happen with this approach.
If only Leonardo de Vinci had a camera, can you imagine how much better the Mona Lisa would have been? /s
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Yea it looks way better on the right. lol. People just wanna be mad. Just assume they’re bots and ignore the chirping
I too have a complete and total disregard for artstyles
It’s like when people look at a film deliberately animated with a particular framerate, see the version where someone had AI interpolate the frames to make it like 120 FPS, then say it looks objectively better than the original, because the only metric they can value a piece of media by at that point just seems to be “I need more frames”
Like In Into the Spider-Verse, when Miles is animated at 12 FPS, and the (more experienced) Peter Parker is animated at 24 FPS, but after Miles improves and gets a better hold of his skills, he gets animated at 24 FPS, too. The lower framerate subconsciously makes us interpret his movements as more choppy, inexperienced, and imprecise, on top of his existing animated movements, to even better sell the plot point of his inexperience.
Meanwhile, many people’s TVs have motion smoothing, which entirely destroys this effect and makes the film fundamentally less communicative as a result, even if on the surface people just say “It’s smoother so it’s better.”
Lmao. I definitely said that.
I too imagine people saying things I disagree with so I can stay upset and disagreeable
I mean that’s exactly what you’re saying if you genuinely thing that yassified filtered dogshit with atrocious lighting actually somehow looks better and retains the artists’ intent
You don’t think Grace would have dolled herself up to go investigate the burned out hotel where her mother was murdered as soon as she finished having a panic attack?
I don’t recall even mentioning the “artist’s intent” ya weirdo. lol
Such an odd way of communicating and interpreting others.
So why don’t you explain what you meant because it sure sounds to the rest of us that you’re basically “yah brah totally hotter this way YOLO hang loose wooo!” and completely missing the point on how destructive this is to the creative process and the art that goes into making a game.
This is Nvidia doing this, right? I don’t see why they wouldn’t try and improve the graphics in games when using their graphics cards. DLSS has been criticized as it’s continued to improve. If people use it it’s because they prefer the graphics with the minimal impact on FPS.
Again, I don’t think I’ve commented on Ithe impact on artists. Since you insist, I’ll comment on it. Y’all raise interesting points. I’m not sure what’s in the best interest for super stressed, underpaid, and underappreciated game developers. If this leads to them selling more games because they can run on cheaper hardware then maybe it’s great. If it completely distorts some face they worked really hard on then maybe that sucks.
That said, I’m just not gonna pretend the one on the right doesn’t look more realistic and I wanted to disrupt the echoes
And as everyone knows, you MUST enjoy something EXACTLY as the creator intended. That’s why when you go to restaurants you’re not allowed to ask for substitutions. Your preferences don’t matter in the slightest, because you risk offending the chef.
I’m going to assume they’re confused about which is left and which is right.
It honestly just looks like color, contrast, and sharpening changes… Basically what could be done with a reshader app.
I hate ai too but this seems like it’s just blatant anti-ai outrage. In the end this works against the honest anti-ai movement.
Really just seems like “live” ai powered reshading…