Regardless, right-wing Twitter users already hate Threads.
When Threads launched on Wednesday, numerous right-wing users shared(opens in a new tab) their dissatisfaction(opens in a new tab) with Twitter’s biggest competitor — on Twitter of course — over having their accounts flagged for disinformation. As of Friday, however, it seems the warning label on accounts that reported the issue has since disappeared.
Twitter and Truth Social have already captured the right-wing market, kowtowing to their demands is not going to earn Threads new users and will discourage moderates from signing up.
Personal morality alignment aside, the fact is those who support right wing policies and candidates, and those who identiy as ‘right wingers’ either explicitly or implicitly support right wing policies. These have time and time again been shown in practice to widen the inequality gap, suppress wages and purchasing power for non-capital owners, disproportionately reward corporate greed, roll back regulations put in place to preserve general health and welfare, decrease healthcare access and standards (same with education), disenfranchise minorities…etc.
That depends on your definition of “right winger.” Your average Republican is likely a fine person, but your average fascist isn’t. If you:
support Jan 6 rioters
believe in QAnon
believe in phrenology
think we should have less immigration
You’re probably not a good person. But if you merely believe in smaller government and think the GOP will give that to you, then you’re probably fine. I don’t have a problem with people who support the GOP (I do have a problem with the GOP itself), but I do have a problem with the right wing of the GOP and especially the few who the GOP consider “too radical” for the party.
The same is true for the left end of the spectrum as well. Basically, once you go too far down one end of the spectrum, there’s a good chance you’re self-selecting as a bad person.
If you want to use the might of government to right some “social wrong,” we’re probably not going to agree. Government should merely exist to maintain order and protect the vulnerable, it shouldn’t be used to regiment society in any real way.
I grew up as a fervent GOP supporter and thought they just weren’t able to execute because I lived in a blue state, and then I moved to a red state and realized the problem isn’t with any given party, but the lack of accountability when they have a clear majority.
So I now consider myself libertarian and vote for whichever candidate has a decent platform in a given election. In my state, that’s usually libertarians and Democrats, and for President, it varies by election. My vote doesn’t matter that much either way, but I try to do my due diligence anyway in case I can influence others who live in more interesting areas.
I dislike both major parties, but both field decent candidates from time to time. Unfortunately, that hasn’t happened for President in quite some time though.
Is phrenology a big thing? I know it’s was popular a couple hundred years ago but did it make a comeback? This is the 2nd time I’ve heard it brought up in the last week and I just didn’t realize that was popular these days.
I can’t speak to phrenology per se, but phrenology’s modern analogue is, in my opinion, the “genetics” argument. Whereas phrenology was some attempt to “explain” how the apparent shape was indicative of underlying brain structure, contemporary “scientific” racists will use genetic differences to “explain” whatever behavior they want to attribute to it.
Not necessarily phrenology specifically, but scientific racism is a thing. One example is Stefan Molyneaux, if you want someone to look up. The “science” these people use is often poor or extremely misleading.
Government has been and still is used to regiment society in very real ways. In all likelihood it always will be used this way. Believing that it shouldn’t serves to distract from that reality and from the actions of those who use it to achieve their goals. E.g. pushing for small government is often used to remove regulation so that capitalists can offload more of their costs (such as externalities) to the rest of society - a.k.a. socializing their losses.
The prerequisite to identify yourself as a right-winger is to have a severe deficit in basic problem solving skills and the ability to logically deconstruct misinformation. While they’re not all inherently bad people, they are absolutely being manipulated by some of the worst people this world has to offer and I say that without a grain of hyperbolism. The sheer amount of self-contradictions and hypocrisy that comes from right wing outlets makes my head spin but is often completely overlooked or willfully ignored by those who are made to support those positions out of fear or anger.
Conservatives are widely victims of the upper class mass-generating misinformation to keep people distracted on culture wars so they don’t notice the desperate need for a class war. Socialism is compared to Communism, Communism is compared to the USSR, somehow reviving The Red Scare and in the next breath will praise Putin for the unprovoked slaughter of Ukrainians because ‘that’s what a strong leader does’. All of which is done to distract from policies that would make the rich less rich by making some of the worst possible takes. The mere fact gas stoves was actually turned into a culture war speaks volumes about how little these idiots need to generate outrage.
I pity them more than anything but I’m not immune to getting irrationally angry at the terminally stupid.
I’m not really heartbroken for Threads, just identifying market trends. Right-wingers aren’t bad people inherently, but right-wing policies and political organizations are absolutely far worse than their centrist and left-wing equivalents.
If not by their actions, how do you judge someone? I cannot know “who they are” unless they either tell me or show me, and actions speak louder than words.
So many people will claim to be “good people” then go on a 20 minute rant about the “gay groomer agenda” and how gay people should “leave children alone” and how black people “commit too much crime and need to be policed more for it” when you give them one glass of wine and start talking about politics. Their overall stance is clear, and it isn’t on the side of “being a good person.”
My mother (who is a good person otherwise), complained that the gays have to be “so in your face about it.” Really? Do gay men stop her in the grocery store and make her watch them make out? What the fuck is that shit?! She also told me she was sad when Rush Limbaugh died.
We have a no-politics rule now, or I’d not be able to maintain the relationship. She’s awesome when politics aren’t involved. She’s the best reminder that people who think awful things can still be human.
Absolutely, though I’m a believer that what they are is in part defined by their actions. Any label prescribed onto people is a mixture of identity and actions, and only the actions impact other people, and I personally believe that someone’s moral worth is determined by the effects of their actions on other people.
if you create a fresh new unlinked tiktok account and start swiping, most content will be vaccine propaganda, jordan peterson, and right-wing rhetorics.
Also, it totally proves that any instance that preemptively defederates from them is 100% in the right (for any people who honestly believe in a wait and see approach).
Yeah, I largely agree. I know there are people that are concerned about Mastadon’s growth, but honestly the biggest thing preventing Mastadon from growing is that normies find federation to be confusing and stupid and small Mastadon instances have bad discoverability.
I was anti-defederate until now. I’ve always thought “fuck them,” but this is what I needed to say we should cut them out of the fediverse. Boot lickers.
I’m sure you love to live in your own bubble. Go outside and experience the real world for once. If you are so blind that you can’t see you’re being manipulated then there’s nothing I can do about that.
Lmao. You people are the most easily manipulated organisms on the planet. Your anorexic grey matter is programmed to respond to irrational and completely untrue fear mongering.
Says the one who is actually being manipulated? The establishment and deep state are working with the left to push forward this global agenda. So how are right-wingers the traitors?
I live in the real world where my government doesn’t care about people and corporations dictate policy through lobbying. But you’re right: the media is programming us and pitching leftwing politics. /s
Actual Left policies would take care of people. We have none of that in contemporary mass media. Go back to Twitter.
You think Leftwing policies will make the world better? We’re already heading towards that and policies have been pretty left for the past decade or so. Is the US becoming any better as a society? Not at all.
You clearly have no understanding of Left politics. Bernie Sanders is Left. Dems are centrists. You’re not educated on the topics you’re commenting on. The US is and has been deeply right-wing since WWII.
And you think you are educated? Dems are not centrists. If you are Dem you likely support LGBT, abortion, marijuana, anti-gun, etc. US has been liberal/left-leaning for the last decade. The average millenial/Gen Z is also very left-leaning and liberal.
I clearly know more about Left politics than you. I spend a ton of time consuming a wide variety of political content. I even spend a fair amount of time checking in on Fox News articles to know what messages they’re spinning on the right.
Your arguments demonstrate that you have a limited understanding of the political landscape as one might have if only thinking there are two flavors of politics: GOP and DNC. I can assure you there’s an entirely different definition of Left than Dems. I am not a Dem. They are also my political enemies.
Republicans certainly seem a bit insane but I don’t see how I don’t see how that means we should be ok with big business being arbiters of truth, with no oversight.
Business will further the interests of their shareholders, democrat, republican or not. Giving them carte blanche to “create truth” is giving the shareholders that power, most of which is controlled by a few investment banks. They do not care about us or societal problems.
No one needs to give big tech permission to do anything. When it serves their interests they just shove it down peoples throats no questions asked.
The only reason we’re having this discussion is because right wing lies generate revenue for them so they let it happen.
The only reason there even exists an argument that curbing the spread of dangerous lies is somehow an infringement upon people’s “freedom of speech” is because its a convenient scapegoat for platforms to justify not doing something about it and for the bad actors to keep on doing it and face no repercussion.
@JRepin The right is flush with cash from all these billionaire funded foundations. They mount such coordinated campaigns for their causes because they have that money. The tax code is the biggest enabler of the right’s rise. If the left ever gets a majority again, they need to remove tax loopholes for “charitable donations” to thinly veiled political organizations. It would definitely slow the influx of money.
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Twitter and Truth Social have already captured the right-wing market, kowtowing to their demands is not going to earn Threads new users and will discourage moderates from signing up.
Oh no! Anyway. All right-wingers are not bad people.
Personal morality alignment aside, the fact is those who support right wing policies and candidates, and those who identiy as ‘right wingers’ either explicitly or implicitly support right wing policies. These have time and time again been shown in practice to widen the inequality gap, suppress wages and purchasing power for non-capital owners, disproportionately reward corporate greed, roll back regulations put in place to preserve general health and welfare, decrease healthcare access and standards (same with education), disenfranchise minorities…etc.
That depends on your definition of “right winger.” Your average Republican is likely a fine person, but your average fascist isn’t. If you:
You’re probably not a good person. But if you merely believe in smaller government and think the GOP will give that to you, then you’re probably fine. I don’t have a problem with people who support the GOP (I do have a problem with the GOP itself), but I do have a problem with the right wing of the GOP and especially the few who the GOP consider “too radical” for the party.
The same is true for the left end of the spectrum as well. Basically, once you go too far down one end of the spectrum, there’s a good chance you’re self-selecting as a bad person.
If you want to use the might of government to right some “social wrong,” we’re probably not going to agree. Government should merely exist to maintain order and protect the vulnerable, it shouldn’t be used to regiment society in any real way.
Sure, but that doesn’t make you a bad person.
I grew up as a fervent GOP supporter and thought they just weren’t able to execute because I lived in a blue state, and then I moved to a red state and realized the problem isn’t with any given party, but the lack of accountability when they have a clear majority.
So I now consider myself libertarian and vote for whichever candidate has a decent platform in a given election. In my state, that’s usually libertarians and Democrats, and for President, it varies by election. My vote doesn’t matter that much either way, but I try to do my due diligence anyway in case I can influence others who live in more interesting areas.
I dislike both major parties, but both field decent candidates from time to time. Unfortunately, that hasn’t happened for President in quite some time though.
Is phrenology a big thing? I know it’s was popular a couple hundred years ago but did it make a comeback? This is the 2nd time I’ve heard it brought up in the last week and I just didn’t realize that was popular these days.
I can’t speak to phrenology per se, but phrenology’s modern analogue is, in my opinion, the “genetics” argument. Whereas phrenology was some attempt to “explain” how the apparent shape was indicative of underlying brain structure, contemporary “scientific” racists will use genetic differences to “explain” whatever behavior they want to attribute to it.
People who want to do phrenology now tend to hide it in an “AI algorithm”
Not necessarily phrenology specifically, but scientific racism is a thing. One example is Stefan Molyneaux, if you want someone to look up. The “science” these people use is often poor or extremely misleading.
Government has been and still is used to regiment society in very real ways. In all likelihood it always will be used this way. Believing that it shouldn’t serves to distract from that reality and from the actions of those who use it to achieve their goals. E.g. pushing for small government is often used to remove regulation so that capitalists can offload more of their costs (such as externalities) to the rest of society - a.k.a. socializing their losses.
The prerequisite to identify yourself as a right-winger is to have a severe deficit in basic problem solving skills and the ability to logically deconstruct misinformation. While they’re not all inherently bad people, they are absolutely being manipulated by some of the worst people this world has to offer and I say that without a grain of hyperbolism. The sheer amount of self-contradictions and hypocrisy that comes from right wing outlets makes my head spin but is often completely overlooked or willfully ignored by those who are made to support those positions out of fear or anger.
Conservatives are widely victims of the upper class mass-generating misinformation to keep people distracted on culture wars so they don’t notice the desperate need for a class war. Socialism is compared to Communism, Communism is compared to the USSR, somehow reviving The Red Scare and in the next breath will praise Putin for the unprovoked slaughter of Ukrainians because ‘that’s what a strong leader does’. All of which is done to distract from policies that would make the rich less rich by making some of the worst possible takes. The mere fact gas stoves was actually turned into a culture war speaks volumes about how little these idiots need to generate outrage.
I pity them more than anything but I’m not immune to getting irrationally angry at the terminally stupid.
Now you’re cooking with poison!
Yes they are
Yes, the group that’s actively destroying civil rights are the good guys!!
I’m not really heartbroken for Threads, just identifying market trends. Right-wingers aren’t bad people inherently, but right-wing policies and political organizations are absolutely far worse than their centrist and left-wing equivalents.
No, they just make bad political decisions.
So you judge people by their actions not what they are?
Uh, yes. How else would you judge people?
I’m just asking. That’s all.
Ok Tucker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
If not by their actions, how do you judge someone? I cannot know “who they are” unless they either tell me or show me, and actions speak louder than words.
So many people will claim to be “good people” then go on a 20 minute rant about the “gay groomer agenda” and how gay people should “leave children alone” and how black people “commit too much crime and need to be policed more for it” when you give them one glass of wine and start talking about politics. Their overall stance is clear, and it isn’t on the side of “being a good person.”
My mother (who is a good person otherwise), complained that the gays have to be “so in your face about it.” Really? Do gay men stop her in the grocery store and make her watch them make out? What the fuck is that shit?! She also told me she was sad when Rush Limbaugh died.
We have a no-politics rule now, or I’d not be able to maintain the relationship. She’s awesome when politics aren’t involved. She’s the best reminder that people who think awful things can still be human.
Lol, yes.
You are your actions.
If someone consistently does horrible, hateful actions, guess what. They’re a horrible, hateful person.
Absolutely, though I’m a believer that what they are is in part defined by their actions. Any label prescribed onto people is a mixture of identity and actions, and only the actions impact other people, and I personally believe that someone’s moral worth is determined by the effects of their actions on other people.
if you create a fresh new unlinked tiktok account and start swiping, most content will be vaccine propaganda, jordan peterson, and right-wing rhetorics.
Also, it totally proves that any instance that preemptively defederates from them is 100% in the right (for any people who honestly believe in a wait and see approach).
Yeah, I largely agree. I know there are people that are concerned about Mastadon’s growth, but honestly the biggest thing preventing Mastadon from growing is that normies find federation to be confusing and stupid and small Mastadon instances have bad discoverability.
I was anti-defederate until now. I’ve always thought “fuck them,” but this is what I needed to say we should cut them out of the fediverse. Boot lickers.
Thank God. Tired of big tech flagging anything that doesn’t pander to the left-wing liberal agenda as “disinformation”
pick one
They are the same thing.
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So is this the same or different TraditionalMuslim that felt the need to share with us how evil trans individuals are a few days ago?
I wouldn’t be surprised if so!
The one and only. You forgot to mention it’s not just trans people. It’s the whole LGTV movement.
We don’t want your disinformation on this platform, either. :)
I’m sure you love to live in your own bubble. Go outside and experience the real world for once. If you are so blind that you can’t see you’re being manipulated then there’s nothing I can do about that.
Lmao. You people are the most easily manipulated organisms on the planet. Your anorexic grey matter is programmed to respond to irrational and completely untrue fear mongering.
Why do you still support literal traitors?
Says the one who is actually being manipulated? The establishment and deep state are working with the left to push forward this global agenda. So how are right-wingers the traitors?
Because you magats still support the biggest traitor to ever occupy the Whitehouse.
Anyone who supports blatant fascism is no longer welcome in OUR America.
Any time someone talks about “global agenda” and globalism/globalists, it’s a dogwhistle for antisemitism
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/the-origins-of-the-globalist-slur/555479/
Well I’m not implying anti-semitism but all this LGTV stuff is being shoved down my throat everywhere I go.
It’s being shoved down your gullible throat by exactly the same right wing extremists who control every corner of your feeble psyche.
💀 lmfao
Clearly this is an approach to rational conversation.
It must get tiring being a constant shit-stirrer?
I live in the real world where my government doesn’t care about people and corporations dictate policy through lobbying. But you’re right: the media is programming us and pitching leftwing politics. /s
Actual Left policies would take care of people. We have none of that in contemporary mass media. Go back to Twitter.
You think Leftwing policies will make the world better? We’re already heading towards that and policies have been pretty left for the past decade or so. Is the US becoming any better as a society? Not at all.
You clearly have no understanding of Left politics. Bernie Sanders is Left. Dems are centrists. You’re not educated on the topics you’re commenting on. The US is and has been deeply right-wing since WWII.
And you think you are educated? Dems are not centrists. If you are Dem you likely support LGBT, abortion, marijuana, anti-gun, etc. US has been liberal/left-leaning for the last decade. The average millenial/Gen Z is also very left-leaning and liberal.
Liberalism in the USA is a right-wing ideology.
I clearly know more about Left politics than you. I spend a ton of time consuming a wide variety of political content. I even spend a fair amount of time checking in on Fox News articles to know what messages they’re spinning on the right.
Your arguments demonstrate that you have a limited understanding of the political landscape as one might have if only thinking there are two flavors of politics: GOP and DNC. I can assure you there’s an entirely different definition of Left than Dems. I am not a Dem. They are also my political enemies.
Same could be said about the users whining that their misinformation/disinformation is getting blocked on social media.
I agree not everyone on the other side is acting in good faith. But to have an echo chamber anywhere is toxic. Just like this place.
pre-Musk Twitter claimed they couldn’t ban Nazis because that would mean banning Republicans …
Any platform that welcomes or caters to the political right wing is rendered effectively useless.
But it’s all right wing media. You think people/media are pro-workers?
Threads & Twitter? Tis a silly place!
They eat ham and jam and spam a lot.
“If you flag our lies, we’ll cry!!!” -Republicans
Are you asking for big tech to decide what’s true or not?
// Not American or conservative in the least, but the idea sounds dystopian to me.
Beats the hell out of the Republicans deciding it. The Pandemic outed them.
Republicans certainly seem a bit insane but I don’t see how I don’t see how that means we should be ok with big business being arbiters of truth, with no oversight.
Business will further the interests of their shareholders, democrat, republican or not. Giving them carte blanche to “create truth” is giving the shareholders that power, most of which is controlled by a few investment banks. They do not care about us or societal problems.
IMO, when it comes down to it, Facebook is a company, and they can censor their web site however they want to.
It is not the tech companies deciding that is the problem, it is the people giving them the authority to decide for them.
Edit: // Official American
No one needs to give big tech permission to do anything. When it serves their interests they just shove it down peoples throats no questions asked.
The only reason we’re having this discussion is because right wing lies generate revenue for them so they let it happen.
The only reason there even exists an argument that curbing the spread of dangerous lies is somehow an infringement upon people’s “freedom of speech” is because its a convenient scapegoat for platforms to justify not doing something about it and for the bad actors to keep on doing it and face no repercussion.
@JRepin The right is flush with cash from all these billionaire funded foundations. They mount such coordinated campaigns for their causes because they have that money. The tax code is the biggest enabler of the right’s rise. If the left ever gets a majority again, they need to remove tax loopholes for “charitable donations” to thinly veiled political organizations. It would definitely slow the influx of money.
I was meh on the whole meta fediverse thing but yeah, fuck em. Already defederated them and they aren’t even using it yet.