Tbf statistical calculations put grooming on discord in the higher percentages unfortunately.
That said I don’t get what their endgame is. Blanket ID verifications will clearly eat into their bottom line, making it unsustainable. Either there’s some limits on it that I’m not aware of or they just budget in a huge decrease in margins.
I just don’t get the logic of “we do it to fight grooming”, because it just doesn’t make sense timing wise, but “we do it because UK and Australia are making us do it anyway” also doesn’t pan out because I just cannot imagine the predicted results look manageable.
The results are kinda obvious regardless. Losing their core audience and subsequently twisting their bottom line, just like Facebook.
It may work for some but for the majority of applications I don’t believe it will work. And potentially might get your account deactivated, like with Facebook.
Is it really? How many people are actually gonna quit Discord instead of grumble angrily about it? Look at what happened with Reddit. They did something users don’t like, the users got angry and protested, most of them accepted the changes and stayed.
I have not seen a single person say this is a good idea. From Reddit, to Twitter, to Bluesky, and Lemmy. It’s pretty much universally hated everywhere you go.
Our small friend group server if about 50 people spread across the country immediately started talking about alternatives. People are sick of the constant enshitification. They even brought up wanting one of us to self host whatever we move to so we can prevent this shit.
They’re mostly non-tech folks too, they just put up with my open source/privacy convos occasionally 😁
I had missed that it doesn’t have voice support. The closest thing to a relatively simple setup I’ve found is VoceChat. It doesn’t self-host voice, but lets you link in a third party known as Agora, who offers free monthly voice minutes, but they’re still a third party. The setup wasn’t the worst, but definitely took careful reading.
Not all of my friends are on Steam and I specifically want something where a client is optional. The only way to convince someone to move away from what they’re already using is to make it as convenient as possible, so I’m looking for something with a web client, mobile app, and desktop client.
i couldn’t get a stoat account setup today. The emails are showing up hours later and don’t work lol. It was super dissappointing because stoat seemed easy to host. started working on a matrix setup to self host instead.
Users who aren’t verified as adults will not be able to access age-restricted servers and channels, won’t be able to speak in Discord’s livestream-like “stage” channels, and will see content filters for any content Discord detects as graphic or sensitive. They will also get warning prompts for friend requests from potentially unfamiliar users, and DMs from unfamiliar users will be automatically filtered into a separate inbox.
That shouldn’t be too restricting for people using discord to chat with their friends though.
That’s a good point. I haven’t actually used it in a while. But, my thought on it was if I do it at that specific time and in the hope that others do the same, it sends a message.
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I ain’t scanning shit.
Teamspeak, Steam groups/chat, etc.
I knew discord would go to shit after going public but even I didn’t predict it would be this fast.
You can thank Roblox for this shit.
Tbf statistical calculations put grooming on discord in the higher percentages unfortunately.
That said I don’t get what their endgame is. Blanket ID verifications will clearly eat into their bottom line, making it unsustainable. Either there’s some limits on it that I’m not aware of or they just budget in a huge decrease in margins.
I just don’t get the logic of “we do it to fight grooming”, because it just doesn’t make sense timing wise, but “we do it because UK and Australia are making us do it anyway” also doesn’t pan out because I just cannot imagine the predicted results look manageable.
The results are kinda obvious regardless. Losing their core audience and subsequently twisting their bottom line, just like Facebook.
That’s fucked
My life is on there, and I ain’t gonna give them any ID. Wth do they expect me to do
They expect you to give them all your data
They already have if their entire life is on there
Steam groups now work like discord. We’re migrating there until I figure out how to host a server of Teamspeak or Mumble.
Time to delete that crap I guess
Can we just use ai generated faces?
It may work for some but for the majority of applications I don’t believe it will work. And potentially might get your account deactivated, like with Facebook.
A bad move from Discord.
Is it really? How many people are actually gonna quit Discord instead of grumble angrily about it? Look at what happened with Reddit. They did something users don’t like, the users got angry and protested, most of them accepted the changes and stayed.
I have not seen a single person say this is a good idea. From Reddit, to Twitter, to Bluesky, and Lemmy. It’s pretty much universally hated everywhere you go.
Our small friend group server if about 50 people spread across the country immediately started talking about alternatives. People are sick of the constant enshitification. They even brought up wanting one of us to self host whatever we move to so we can prevent this shit.
They’re mostly non-tech folks too, they just put up with my open source/privacy convos occasionally 😁
Me and all my brothers (grew up Mormon, I have many brothers) quit both reddit, and now discord.
I’m giving Stoat.Chat a go this evening. Looks promising as a self-host alternative.
Was trying to get it set up earlier, but doesn’t look like it has good Linux support yet. I could also be stupid, I never rule that out.
I had missed that it doesn’t have voice support. The closest thing to a relatively simple setup I’ve found is VoceChat. It doesn’t self-host voice, but lets you link in a third party known as Agora, who offers free monthly voice minutes, but they’re still a third party. The setup wasn’t the worst, but definitely took careful reading.
What’s wrong with Steam or Mumble?
Not all of my friends are on Steam and I specifically want something where a client is optional. The only way to convince someone to move away from what they’re already using is to make it as convenient as possible, so I’m looking for something with a web client, mobile app, and desktop client.
It’s coming apparently https://github.com/stoatchat/stoatchat/issues/313
The verification email won’t show up. I’m stuck.
I would switch tonight but there’s not voice chat in the self hosted version yet.
i couldn’t get a stoat account setup today. The emails are showing up hours later and don’t work lol. It was super dissappointing because stoat seemed easy to host. started working on a matrix setup to self host instead.
But doesn’t have a client (yet)?
I just set up my own Matrix server. Holy shit that was annoyingly hard.
I’m not even done. I have to set up Element Call for audio/video.
Pretty sure audio calling is also not fully encrypted? And still no game streaming with video or audio, last I checked.
I don’t really mind it not being e2e encrypted, since it’s hosted on my own hardware, but that’s good to know.
I have some discord bots for use with some self-hosted applications (changedetection, etc…). Does Matrix have similar functionality?
Yes. Plenty of examples if you search.
https://beehaw.org/post/24684848
I think this may not be the best time for them to do that….
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That shouldn’t be too restricting for people using discord to chat with their friends though.
We’ll see what they actually implement, and how they do so.
It’s already implemented. Tons of users have already scanned their faces/IDs to prove their identity/age. This is just a global rollout.
I’m deleting my account the day before they implement this.
Why wait?
That’s a good point. I haven’t actually used it in a while. But, my thought on it was if I do it at that specific time and in the hope that others do the same, it sends a message.